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Post by spoon on Dec 17, 2021 10:46:42 GMT -5
Today marks 35 years since TRANSFORMERS COMIC MAGAZINE #2 was published, featuring an appearance by Spider-Man. Years ago, someone told me that he could never accept the Transformers existing in “our” Marvel Universe. I may be paraphrasing slightly, but he said something like, “There’s no way the likes of the Avengers would allow an Autobot/Decepticon war to take place for long.” Me, I just went along with the ride. In a world where Thanos and Galactus can show up routinely, why not suspend disbelief for giant robots? (Didn’t Godzilla show up in the mainstream MU once?) But what will you accept in a shared universe? I must admit, thoughts akin to the one above have crossed my mind, convincing me I should just enjoy the ride and not question things too much. [snip] I think it’s best not to over-think things. I think it’s best to just go along for the ride, as I did, and accept Spidey and Transformers existing in the same universe, or not to get too involved in wondering why not even one superhero can lend Spidey a hand when the Sinister Six attack. But there are certainly times where it’s noticeable in a crowded universe, such as the Galactus example I provided. FYI - that Transformers/Spider-Man story is a little older (over 37 years old), because the cover depicted is from a reprint series. It was originally published in Transformers #3. One of the first 2 comics I ever bought was either Transformers #5 or 6 (used to think it was #5, but now I think maybe I bought #6 first and went back to get #5 shortly after). Transformers was the first comic series I followed regularly, and I bought #3 shortly thereafter. I thought it was really cool. Even though I was only 6 years old, I think I recognized that it was unusual and I shouldn't expect it as a regular thing. Maybe that because their cartoons didn't cross over, so I figured they were separate things. I don't overthink either; I have no problem with it. I just let it be in own thing. If I'm in the mood to rationalize its place in continuity (which is almost never), I can just put it on its own crossover Earth. The Transfomer/Marvel Universe crossover wasn't just a one-way process. A human character called Circuit Breaker created for the Transformers comic appeared in Secret Wars II. I've still never read SWII, but I found out about Circuit Breaker's appearance throw in the internet (including panels from the comic).
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Post by brutalis on Dec 17, 2021 10:47:56 GMT -5
I also thoroughly enjoyed POA crossover with King Kong and Tarzan. They could have bombed big time but they were truly well executed and entertaining. Tarzan versus Predator is another well done one that might just as easily been ridiculous.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Dec 17, 2021 12:11:10 GMT -5
They don't bother me. I'm also a devotee of AU's so if things get too cumbersome I don't mind branching things off.
In this particular case, for example, there's a Captain Britain Corps member named 'Britanotron.' I think he/it lives in a universe along with the Transformers and a small subset of Marvel superheroes whom they've encountered in crossovers.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 17, 2021 12:30:49 GMT -5
There was a Red Sonja/Mars Attacks cross-over a while back that I loved. Honestly I don’t think about it much. Well I am off to find this comic. There was a Star Trek (OG) and X-Men crossover that was so, I don't want to say bad, but it wasn't Shakespeare, but it knew it wasn't and it was what it was. The Spock and Logan banter was worth the cover price alone. Also I am of the same mind on the subject as Hossier X. Red Sonja/Mars Attacks came out in summer and fall of 2020. While I was checking the dates, I found out it’s going to be released as a TPB in January.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 13:33:54 GMT -5
I thought the late 90's Star Trek the Next Generation and X-Men crossovers (the "Second Contact" comic book and related "Planet X" novel) were excellent. I love that they presented a continuation of what happened after the First Contact movie, and Kang's role working so brilliantly in a shared universe with Star Trek.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 14:53:21 GMT -5
Looking back, what a shame STAR TREK could not have been part of “Crisis on Infinite Earths” (even as a cameo), given DC had the Trek licence at the time!
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Post by jason on Dec 17, 2021 16:35:30 GMT -5
Speaking of all these crossovers, has Spider-Man ever met Spider-Ham (in the comics, they met in the Spider-verse movie)?
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Post by Duragizer on Dec 17, 2021 18:23:15 GMT -5
I think only early Marvel and Valiant handled the shared universe concept competently, and even then the X-Men never should've been considered part of the mainstream Marvel Universe. Outside of those contexts, I'm not much of a fan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 18:53:10 GMT -5
…and even then the X-Men never should've been considered part of the mainstream Marvel Universe. May I ask why?
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Post by tarkintino on Dec 17, 2021 19:28:18 GMT -5
Looking back, what a shame STAR TREK could not have been part of “Crisis on Infinite Earths” (even as a cameo), given DC had the Trek licence at the time! That would have ruined a brilliant mini-series.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 19:29:16 GMT -5
Looking back, what a shame STAR TREK could not have been part of “Crisis on Infinite Earths” (even as a cameo), given DC had the Trek licence at the time! That would have ruined a brilliant mini-series. Don’t take my idea too literally. Some things should remain fan fiction. 😉
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 18, 2021 0:28:16 GMT -5
In the mid-60s, somebody built a McDonald's directly across the street from a Gino's. Just didn't seem right. Of course, back then, Gino's, in addition to hamburgers, also had the Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise.
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Post by Duragizer on Dec 18, 2021 2:47:36 GMT -5
…and even then the X-Men never should've been considered part of the mainstream Marvel Universe. May I ask why? I find shared universes too cluttered/claustrophobic. And incongruities are a problem. For one example, characters who identify as atheist despite living in worlds where magic and deities objectively exist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 5:10:24 GMT -5
Good point.
I remember a Spidey story where some guy in the Daily Bugle lift was warning folk about aliens but they dismissed him. Yet this is a world where aliens routinely visit Earth. 😞
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 18, 2021 11:35:06 GMT -5
Good point. I remember a Spidey story where some guy in the Daily Bugle lift was warning folk about aliens but they dismissed him. Yet this is a world where aliens routinely visit Earth. 😞 Galactus was a mass delusion caused by SHIELD hitting the city with hallucinogenic gas! Nick Fury wants to control us! I saw it on a YouTube video! The Avengers and the FF are in on it! The X-Men are a myth created by George Soros and Anthony Fauci!
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