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Post by arfetto on Apr 1, 2022 11:02:58 GMT -5
Of those listed, the only one that would be in my top 10 for sure is Joe Kubert.
Sal Buscema would be pretty close, though. And if this were a voting style thing (where say, people each made a top 250 list or something, then the votes were tallied) I would probably be the high voter on Romita Jr. and Adam and Andy Kubert.
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Post by MDG on Apr 1, 2022 11:09:15 GMT -5
For years I avoided Love and Rockets and the work of Los Bros Hernandez. Not sure why, probably mostly youthful ignorance and hubris mixing to toxic levels and a lack of awareness of my own bias blindness. I was like that early on, probably because leafing through, the Beto and Mario stuff didn;t connect. I decided to try when Fantagraphics did the three-issue color Mechanics mini and realized "Well, this is the best stuff I've seen in my frikkin' life." How about married couples? Walt and Wheezy, The Pinis, the Kesels, maybe even the Weins? There's also Jan Duursema & Tom Mandrake and June Brigman & Roy Richardson.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 11:11:43 GMT -5
There's also Jan Duursema & Tom Mandrake and June Brigman & Roy Richardson. I never knew Jan and Tom were married! Learn something everyday...
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Post by foxley on Apr 1, 2022 11:11:59 GMT -5
John Ostrander & Kim Yale?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 1, 2022 11:21:25 GMT -5
There's also Jan Duursema & Tom Mandrake and June Brigman & Roy Richardson. I never knew Jan and Tom were married! Learn something everyday... I believe they met in the Kubert school.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 1, 2022 11:46:44 GMT -5
Day Five ChoicesIt’s Family Friday! Among the comic families we have John Buscema and Sal Buscema, Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Sr and John Romita Jr, and the master lineage and teaching of Joe Kubert. Heck, include dark horse candidates like Mario Hernandez or a younger Kubert if you want! Yes to John Buscema and Romita SR. The rest are very good but I only have 10 spots.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 1, 2022 11:59:45 GMT -5
Joe Kubert is in the Pantheon.
Well, mine anyway.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 1, 2022 12:01:53 GMT -5
Joe Kubert: No. A master, but I've never liked his style. >Searching for a fainting couch< Well, at least we can still be movie friends.
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Post by berkley on Apr 1, 2022 12:49:12 GMT -5
Joe Kubert: No. A master, but I've never liked his style. >Searching for a fainting couch< Well, at least we can still be movie friends.
Yeah, I recognise it as an odd quirk of taste. I can see he's objectively a master of his craft but aesthetically his style just doesn't work for me, usually. Every now and then I'll see something I like, but even then it isn't a strong feeling. But I imagine many of us have these instinctive likes and dislikes.
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 1, 2022 16:07:32 GMT -5
Day Four ChoicesHow varied are your tastes? Are you a superheroes only sort of fan? Some might consider one of these two as their absolute number one, but do either Carl Barks or Paul Pope make your list? I love Carl Barks, he's great, but I haven't really read enough of his work, unfortunately, to place him in my top ten. My fault, not his. I love what I have read of his, but I'm more of a superhero guy. I've never read or seen anything by Paul Pope, so that's an easy no.
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Post by commond on Apr 1, 2022 16:19:12 GMT -5
Day Five ChoicesIt’s Family Friday! Among the comic families we have John Buscema and Sal Buscema, Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Sr and John Romita Jr, and the master lineage and teaching of Joe Kubert. Heck, include dark horse candidates like Mario Hernandez or a younger Kubert if you want! John Buscema -- yes, probably Marvel's greatest penciler. Definitely the best fill-in artist of all-time. I usually hate guest pencilers, but Buscema fill-in issues are often better than the regular penciler's work. Sal Buscema -- I like Sal's work a lot. I especially like his work with J.M. DeMatteis on Spectacular Spider-Man, which is a highly underrated run. But not top 10. Gilbert and Jaime Hernandez -- absolutely. Love and Rockets was the best comic of the 80s, and one of the best comics of the 90s too. John Romita Sr -- Very nice. Might have considered him if he'd done more interior work. John Romita Jr -- Would have been in my top 10 at a certain point in the 90s. I was a big JRJR fan right from the get-go. Daredevil was one of my favorite titles when I first got into comics, and I absolutely adored JRJR's work. I haven't read much of his work past the mid-90s. The art I have seen looks strange at times, but I respect the fact that he continues to evolve as an artist. Joe Kubert -- I've only begun exploring Kubert's work recently, so I'll have to hold off on judging him. I loved the artwork Adam Kubert did on the Johnny Quest mini-series I read last year. Finally, I have some folks on my list. I was starting to wonder if I actually liked anyone.
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Post by berkley on Apr 1, 2022 16:29:14 GMT -5
Paul Pope would not make my top ten, but from reading a lot of his '90s stuff and a few of his later works, I do think he is a very skilled creator. Which books or series are those Paul Pope samples from? Some of them look interesting (sorry, didn't want to quote all those big images).
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 1, 2022 16:37:38 GMT -5
Day Five ChoicesIt’s Family Friday! Among the comic families we have John Buscema and Sal Buscema, Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Sr and John Romita Jr, and the master lineage and teaching of Joe Kubert. Heck, include dark horse candidates like Mario Hernandez or a younger Kubert if you want! I would not consider the Romitas or Buscemas in any "package" arrangement, as they made their mark independent of anyone else. So, to dig into your list... John Buscema: Yes. Incredibly versatile artist who--unlike so many "name" comic artists--could succeed from one genre to the next without missing a beat. Sal Buscema: No. Gilbert Hernandez: No. Jaime Hernandez: No. Joe Kubert: No, but he's just outside of the top ten.John Romita Jr.: No....finally... John Romita Sr.: Yes. Easily one of the most impactful artists in the medium's history, who was brilliant with his approach to romance art, and applying that, his advertising art prowess and seemingly endless talents to lift the superhero genre to new heights. I can re-post what I said of Romita in his birthday thread: What's interesting about Marvel is that it was Romita--arguably more than any artist--had a style so preferred that he inked and/or touched up the work on innumerable titles and artists, including Kirby, Starlin, Buckler, both Buscemas, Colan, Heck---the list goes on and on. Its no wonder his work was ubiquitous as licensing art more than anyone else in the 70s & 80s (and can be seen on products today). Even today, "retro" Marvel images on clothing, posters, cups and all manner of products still bear his work. Further, it was his art which was the template for a number of animated series, such as 1981's Spider-Man, Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, and the 90s Spider-Man series. If that was not enough, Sam Raimi has often credited Romita's work / era on the title as one of the chief influences of his Spider-Man movies. Of course, when Marvel (through Simon & Schuster/Fireside) published the various "origin" TPBs in the 70s, many often featured Romita's paintings, a least until Bob Larkin started producing TPB covers toward the end of that decade. This is the artist--and co-plotter who turned Spider-Man from a popular character to a phenomenon (finally surpassing The Fantastic Four as Marvel's best-selling title staring in 1966) on which the character's pop-culture legacy rests. Co-plotting many of the recognized greatest Spider-Man stories made Romita one of those rare double-threat talents that is--along a with a select handful--responsible for Marvel becoming the juggernaut that it would be from the mid-60s - forward, redefining what a superhero drama was (clearly different than how that was handled in the Ditko era). He's far beyond the legendary status, easily rating as one my top 10 creators.
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Post by arfetto on Apr 1, 2022 17:03:54 GMT -5
Paul Pope would not make my top ten, but from reading a lot of his '90s stuff and a few of his later works, I do think he is a very skilled creator. Which books or series are those Paul Pope samples from? Some of them look interesting (sorry, didn't want to quote all those big images). The first image is from Supertrouble, which was originally published for the Japanese market in '95. It was reprinted in the tpb for One Trick Rip Off called "One Trick Rip Off + Deep Cuts" around 2013.
The middle images are from the original THB series from '94/'95.
The last three color images are from Battling Boy from 2013.
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Post by Bronze age andy on Apr 1, 2022 20:10:47 GMT -5
John Buscema? Yes. Definitely top 10. It's the hands.
Sal Buscema? No. Just outside the top 10 but you can't deny the talent and speed combo.
Joe Kubert? No. Loved a lot of his work (namely Hawkman) but I've never read much of his war output.
The Hernandez's? No. I liked Love and Rockets but I like a lot of stuff.
The Romita's? No. Senior never did enough for me and Junior had some big hits and some huge misses.
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