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Post by Duragizer on Apr 1, 2022 20:40:00 GMT -5
Gotta lotta catchin' up to do....
Frank Miller — TDKR is the only classic Miller I've read. It was good, not great. The sexism, Islamophobia, general batshit insanity, and garbage art from his more recent work has eclipsed whatever greatness he once attested to.
Neil Gaiman — Haven't read much of his stuff, especially his most praised work. What I have read is just okay.
Jack Kirby — One of my top favourite visual artists. That's why I'm still struggling through his FF run even though I really don't care for Lee's writing or any character not named Ben Grimm.
Moebius — I remember seeing some his concept art for Jodoroswky's Dune and Willow, and was deeply impressed. Then I got around to The Incal. It wasn't bad by any stretch, but a far cry from what I'd seen beforehand. Maybe greater exposure to the man's work will bring greater appreciation.
Tardi — Never heard of them.
Carl Barks — Haven't read his work.
Paul Pope — Read Batman: Year 100 and "The Berlin Batman". Interesting artstyle, but not interesting enough for me to overlook his noisome right-libertarianism.
John Buscema — Haven't read much of his work.
Sal Buscema — I think he's a solid artist, probably better than most give him credit for, but still not a favourite of mine.
Gilbert/Jaime Hernandez — Not familiar with them.
John Romita, Sr. — Never took a great liking to his style.
John Romita, Jr. — First exposed to him through his work on adjectiveless Spider-Man in the '90s. Didn't much care for his style back then, gained a greater appreciation in retrospect in the 2010s, but have done a 360 after seeing his more recent output.
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Post by Trevor on Apr 2, 2022 2:52:21 GMT -5
Day Five Response and Wrap—Up
I appreciate their art and importance to the hobby, but this ‘family’ slate are all no’s for me. As a kid I was more a DC fan than Marvel, so the Buscema and Romitas never gained a foothold into me. Joe Kubert is likely top 20 for me, probably would have been top ten if I was slightly older and a bigger fan of war books. And while I’ve been meaning to read their stuff for decades and imagine I’ll love it, I somehow keep putting off reading any Los Bros Hernandez.
My list so far: Frank Miller Jack Kirby Carl Barks
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Post by Trevor on Apr 2, 2022 3:11:31 GMT -5
Day Six Choices
It’s a visual medium, and the old school among us remember when we weren’t in the era of full scripts and writers redefining comics. Do creators who are primarily ‘just’ writers only have enough to make your list?
Often compared and debated as a pair, do modern masters Grant Morrison and Alan Moore make your cut?
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Post by commond on Apr 2, 2022 3:46:58 GMT -5
Both guys would have been in my top 10 when I was collecting comics. I was buying both The Invisibles and From Hell off the rack in the 90s, and I actually saw Grant Morrison speak at a comic convention. This was at the height of his alt-comics phase, and he was telling stories about being abducted by aliens, etc. I don't know if he still talks about things like that. I was surprised to learn later on about how many mainstream superhero books he'd written. The only one that I've read is his run on X-Men, which I enjoyed aside from the big reveal. I was also surprised about Moore working for Image. A lot of people seem to enjoy his work for Image and the ABC imprint, but I haven't read any of it. The most recent Moore stuff I read was V for Vendetta and his 2000 AD work like Halo Jones and D.R. and Quinch. I would probably shortlist both guys because they have multiple runs I like, but they might not make a final cut.
This thread has inspired me to read work by several of the creators. I don't know how many names there's going to be, and how long I can keep it up for, but I want to sample at least one work by each creator.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 3:53:41 GMT -5
Alan Moore is absolutely my favorite writer of all time. When I think of just the sheer cleverness of so much of his material, from Swamp Thing to Miracleman to Watchmen, and then even wonderful later titles like Tom Strong, Top 10, etc...the guy's just flat out a genius. He may be the only strictly writer that makes my top 10, but he's in. Moore has also often had this uncanny ability to know when to dial back the subversiveness a bit and allow breathing room for more accessible storytelling.
Grant Morrison has never remotely seemed in Moore's league to me, and I've read a fair amount of his work. I've always thought Gaiman (who was even Moore's successor on Miracleman) was a better comparison and one of the few writers that could hold his own compared to Moore.
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 2, 2022 4:13:15 GMT -5
Moore yes, Morrison no.
Alan Moore has so many works and done so many different things. I may not like everything he does, but at least I'm interested enough to check everything out.
Morrison: I used to like his work (Doom Patrol, Invisibles), but he has a lot of writing ticks that just annoy me now.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 2, 2022 4:58:19 GMT -5
Alan Moore for sure. Too many great books in his career and he has a big hand in the art layouts. I hear he rights the equivalent of novel type instructions for each page for the artist to follow. While I enjoyed Morrisons X-men and JLA , alas he can't break into the top ten for me.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 2, 2022 5:23:53 GMT -5
Day Six ChoicesIt’s a visual medium, and the old school among us remember when we weren’t in the era of full scripts and writers redefining comics. Do creators who are primarily ‘just’ writers only have enough to make your list? Often compared and debated as a pair, do modern masters Grant Morrison and Alan Moore make your cut? Everyone who'd be in my Top Ten both writes and draws (not always at the same time) so no.
Cei-U! I summon the clear-cut criteria!
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 2, 2022 5:45:07 GMT -5
Alan Moore - oh, hell yes.
Grant Morrison - oh, hell no.
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 2, 2022 6:18:21 GMT -5
From my "Not even near the top 50 list" -
Grant Morrison - no.
Alan Moore - no.
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Post by MDG on Apr 2, 2022 6:52:06 GMT -5
If you had asked me in the 80s, Moore would definitely have been on the list. But after Miracleman, I'd had enough. He's talented and definitely influential, and I keep meaning to re-read his Swamp Thing run, but just not what I look for anymore. I couldn't get through From Hell. So no.
Morrison never gained traction with me. I remember kinda sorta liking his Doom Patrol, I'm re-reading it as we speak and it feels like 40% "let's throw out some trippy ideas." Some nice character bits,though, esp around Robotman.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 2, 2022 6:57:08 GMT -5
Alan Moore - absolutely. But even he can’t make Superman interesting. Writer of many of my favorite comics (Watcmen, LoEG, V for Vendetta).
Grant Morrison - No. At his best he’s fabulous (Coyote Gospel is a top twenty story). A lot of the time he’s fine. But wouldn’t crack even my top twenty. And don’t get me started on Supergods.
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Post by foxley on Apr 2, 2022 7:17:38 GMT -5
No and no, I'm afraid. While Moore has written some of my favourite comics, I can never tell from series whether I'm going to get the Moore wrote Watchmen or the Moore who wrote LOEG: Century. And Morrison's stuff I generally like just fine (provided it doesn't get too navel-gazey), but there are other writers I like far more.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 2, 2022 7:53:49 GMT -5
Alan Moore would definitely make my Top 10. He's my favourite writer in comics. No other comic writer has made me mutter, "holy s**t, this is good" while I read as often as Moore has.
Grant Morrison isn't anywhere near my Top 10.
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Post by majestic on Apr 2, 2022 8:35:15 GMT -5
Moore yes. Morrison no.
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