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Post by badwolf on Apr 25, 2022 8:53:07 GMT -5
Day Twenty-Seven ChoicesBack to knock out a few more as I look at some of those panels people are really showing off. Today I want to to know if Pat Mills, John Wagner, Fiona Staples, or Jim Starlin is in your top 10. I also want to throw one modern team out there for you who. Any Scott Snyder or Greg Capullo lovers out there? Starlin is good but never an artist I followed or collected.
Snyder and Capullo, no. The only great thing Snyder did was The Black Mirror in Batman. (The Wake (Vertigo miniseries) was okay.) Since then he has consistently disappointed me.
The others I am not familiar enough with.
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Post by badwolf on Apr 25, 2022 8:55:16 GMT -5
Day Twenty-Nine ChoicesToday I want to add a random quartet. Richard Sala, whose work I've only got into the last several years and is one of the few occasions where I kind of got beat into it by the podcast and in this instance specifically Vince. It really was looking at some of the more current hardcover covers that got me in tho. They are very easy to look at and striking. Stuart Immonem who I really like and when he was doing the OG X-Men was one of those instances where I immediately went to go get a page, for the love of Jeanie, but I wasn't on board with the whole is this THE guy of his generation talk. And the third is some cat named Milo Manara. And the fourth is really one of the biggest dudes in comic history and even in a box above that box with a real select literal few. Herge. Are any of them in your top 10? I like Manara a lot and have several of his books, but not a top 10 creator for me. Maybe if he gave his women noses.
Immonen is very good but not a top 10 artist.
Not familiar with the others.
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 25, 2022 9:34:03 GMT -5
Richard Sala: no.
Stuart Immonem: no.
Milo Manara: no.
Hergé: no: I read a great deal of his work, and watched syndicated versions of the 50's Belvision cartoon adaptation, so there's an appreciation for the source, but Hergé's not in my top ten.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 11:27:38 GMT -5
I like Immonen and Herge, but neither approaches the top 10. Manara I can take or leave. Respect the talent but he is often working on stuff I have no interest in reading. I've heard the name Sala, but am not familiar with his work.
So my top 10 (9 slots filled) remains: Moebius, Joe Kubert, Darwyn Cooke, Milton Canniff, Frank Frazetta, Alex Raymond Jeff Smith, Stan Sakai and Will Eisner. 1 spot reserved waiting to see if this creator gets nominated.
-M
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 25, 2022 11:44:29 GMT -5
Always picked the other European big comics over Tin-Tin + there is some really bad stuff in Herge's early work that makes him not a favourite.
Manara: Like his art, but not a favourite.
Immomen: Liked his work a lot, but have no clue what he's working on these days. Not Top 10 though.
Sala: Don't think I've read anything by him or it was as a one page in some anthology.
So my list remains: Gaiman Moore Giraud Sienkiewicz Wagner Trondheim
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Post by Trevor on Apr 25, 2022 11:50:31 GMT -5
Don’t forget the “knock-out” option everyone.
If anyone is at 9/10 entries, like @mrp and myself, and you think you know us and our tenth pick, take a guess. If you’re correct, that creator enters the game.
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 25, 2022 15:29:56 GMT -5
Chester Gould: no.
Garry Trudeau: no.
Will Eisner: no. I know he's super-important but I just haven't seen much of his work.
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Post by commond on Apr 25, 2022 17:21:21 GMT -5
Day Twenty-Eight ChoicesThis will be our final Strip Sunday, and our first day with a wildcard option. In our previous Sundays we’ve left out some big names in comic strips, like Chester Gould and Garry Trudeau. But any list I make is going to leave out some heavyweights, so if you have a strip artist on your one list of ten total comic people, please add them today and tell us why you love them. And let’s twist the theme a bit and include one of the greats for your consideration today. He did some strip work, and his greatest creation was included in Sunday newspapers. I can’t imagine this creator ever not being on my list: Will Eisner. I'm only familiar with Gould and Eisner. I've vaguely heard of Doonesbury but never read it. I'd like to read more Dick Tracy at some point, but it's a daunting prospect. I've read very little Eisner and have yet to tackle his graphic novels, but I intend to at some point.
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Post by commond on Apr 25, 2022 17:25:08 GMT -5
Day Twenty-Nine ChoicesToday I want to add a random quartet. Richard Sala, whose work I've only got into the last several years and is one of the few occasions where I kind of got beat into it by the podcast and in this instance specifically Vince. It really was looking at some of the more current hardcover covers that got me in tho. They are very easy to look at and striking. Stuart Immonem who I really like and when he was doing the OG X-Men was one of those instances where I immediately went to go get a page, for the love of Jeanie, but I wasn't on board with the whole is this THE guy of his generation talk. And the third is some cat named Milo Manara. And the fourth is really one of the biggest dudes in comic history and even in a box above that box with a real select literal few. Herge. Are any of them in your top 10? Never heard of Sala. His stuff looks appealing. Immonem is far too new for me. Manara, I only know from the controversy over his variant cover. I was constantly exposed to Asterix and Tin Tin comics growing up. In fact, they were just as big a part of my comics journey as American books or British comics, a fact I took for granted. I haven't read either of those books as an adult. I'd be interested to see whether they read differently for grown ups.
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Post by Trevor on Apr 26, 2022 5:48:55 GMT -5
Day Twenty-Nine Response and Wrap—Up
If everything by Richard Sala is as good as The Chuckling Whatsit he might be making my list someday. Crap, he died recently, almost forgot about that. Ordered a few more of his books. Love his style and creativity.
I’m not really a superhero art guy, but I like Immonem. Nextwave is probably the only stuff of his that I plan to save.
Aware of their work of course, but I have almost no exposure to Manara or Herge.
My list remains at nine. Frank Miller Jack Kirby Carl Barks Alan Moore Mike Mignola Jeff Lemire Bernie Wrightson Matt Wagner Will Eisner
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Post by Trevor on Apr 26, 2022 14:55:05 GMT -5
Day Thirty Choices
We have another wildcard today, and a guest turn at writing the post. The below post is from B5Erik at my other comic book forum. We will go ~36 hours since we had a late start. And if anyone here has ideas for a day’s choices shoot me a private message.
It's INKER'S DAY!
I've been a great admirer of a lot of inkers over the decades, going back to the 70's when I first started buying the comics and reading the credits. I pretty much guessed how the penciling and inking process worked, and noticed right away that some inkers were better than others. And sometimes it's a matter of styles meshing well. I'm not a fan of Klaus Janson's inks, but sometimes, on some pencil artists, he did a great job. Case in point, The Defenders when inking Keith Giffen's pencil art. Giffen was doing an odd Kirby meets Everett style at the time (shown most in the couple of issues he inked himself). I'm not a fan of that period in Giffen's work, but Klaus Janson, an inker who I don't usually like, really worked wonders on the handful of issues he inked there. Their styles were totally different, but perfectly complementary.
Inkers can make mediocre pencil art look really good, but they can also make really good pencil art look mediocre. Sometimes a great inker just didn't fit with a great pencil artist, too.
For me, there are a group of inkers that are some of my favorites - and that's where the nominees start today. Joe Sinnott, Frank Giacoia, Jerry Ordway, John Severin, Ernie Chan, Norm Rapmund, and Brett Breeding. I'd also include John Romita Sr. in there, but he's already a nominee for his overall work, as were Bob Layton and Sal Buscema.
Beyond that, though, there are a bunch of other guys worthy of recognition. The aforementioned Klaus Janson (who has his die hard supporters), Tom Palmer, Murphy Anderson, Terry Austin, Romeo Tanghal, Mike Esposito, Pablo Marcos, Joe Rubenstein, Jim Mooney, Joe Staton (both pencils and inks, at different times), Bob McLeod, and I'm sure I'm forgetting several others worthy of recognition.
Feel free to take this opportunity to include a write in candidate and include them in your Top 10 if you believe they belong there - and give a reason why.
That's a lot of inkers, but I suspect that we won't see many, if any, of them make your Top 10 lists. One will make mine, though...
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 26, 2022 15:31:21 GMT -5
Yeah, there's no way anybody's going to make my list just for inking, and of those you name who are also fine pencillers, none ranks high enough in my estimation to make my list (Ordway comes darn close, but if I didn't choose Wally Wood...). As for write-in candidates, I guess this is as good a time as any to add George Carlson, the brilliant cartoonist who made Jingle Jangle Tales a must-buy in the Golden Age, since I'm 99.9999% sure nobody else will mention him.
Top Ten (comic books): Carl Barks, George Carlson, Will Eisner, Gilbert Hernandez, Walt Kelly, Jack Kirby, George Perez*, Dave Stevens* Top Ten (comic strips): Milton Caniff, George Herriman, Walt Kelly, Gary Larson, Charles Schulz, Bill Watterson
* provisional
Cei-U! I summon the Pie-Faced Prince of Pretzelnurg!!
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Post by Trevor on Apr 26, 2022 15:35:05 GMT -5
We’re done with strips. So you cheaters with two lists can go ahead and fill in your ten, with some commentary on your additions please. Convince us!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 26, 2022 15:41:16 GMT -5
Day Twenty-Nine ChoicesToday I want to add a random quartet. Richard Sala, whose work I've only got into the last several years and is one of the few occasions where I kind of got beat into it by the podcast and in this instance specifically Vince. It really was looking at some of the more current hardcover covers that got me in tho. They are very easy to look at and striking. Stuart Immonem who I really like and when he was doing the OG X-Men was one of those instances where I immediately went to go get a page, for the love of Jeanie, but I wasn't on board with the whole is this THE guy of his generation talk. And the third is some cat named Milo Manara. And the fourth is really one of the biggest dudes in comic history and even in a box above that box with a real select literal few. Herge. Are any of them in your top 10? Yeah...no. Day Thirty ChoicesWe have another wildcard today, and a guest turn at writing the post. The below post is from B5Erik at my other comic book forum. We will go ~36 hours since we had a late start. And if anyone here has ideas for a day’s choices shoot me a private message. It's INKER'S DAY! I've been a great admirer of a lot of inkers over the decades, going back to the 70's when I first started buying the comics and reading the credits. I pretty much guessed how the penciling and inking process worked, and noticed right away that some inkers were better than others. And sometimes it's a matter of styles meshing well. I'm not a fan of Klaus Janson's inks, but sometimes, on some pencil artists, he did a great job. Case in point, The Defenders when inking Keith Giffen's pencil art. Giffen was doing an odd Kirby meets Everett style at the time (shown most in the couple of issues he inked himself). I'm not a fan of that period in Giffen's work, but Klaus Janson, an inker who I don't usually like, really worked wonders on the handful of issues he inked there. Their styles were totally different, but perfectly complementary. Inkers can make mediocre pencil art look really good, but they can also make really good pencil art look mediocre. Sometimes a great inker just didn't fit with a great pencil artist, too. For me, there are a group of inkers that are some of my favorites - and that's where the nominees start today. Joe Sinnott, Frank Giacoia, Jerry Ordway, John Severin, Ernie Chan, Norm Rapmund, and Brett Breeding. I'd also include John Romita Sr. in there, but he's already a nominee for his overall work, as were Bob Layton and Sal Buscema. Beyond that, though, there are a bunch of other guys worthy of recognition. The aforementioned Klaus Janson (who has his die hard supporters), Tom Palmer, Murphy Anderson, Terry Austin, Romeo Tanghal, Mike Esposito, Pablo Marcos, Joe Rubenstein, Jim Mooney, Joe Staton (both pencils and inks, at different times), Bob McLeod, and I'm sure I'm forgetting several others worthy of recognition. Feel free to take this opportunity to include a write in candidate and include them in your Top 10 if you believe they belong there - and give a reason why. That's a lot of inkers, but I suspect that we won't see many, if any, of them make your Top 10 lists. One will make mine, though... I can't see any inkers making my list just for inking. But you have a number of folks up there who were excellent pencillers as well. And some who I think of more as pencilers than as inkers (Severin, Staton). To riff on what Kurt said, Woody made my list, but it was for his work as a whole, not as an inker (though I love his inks). I'm also a huge fan of Alfredo Alcala's inks, but he was also a great penciler. Alcala would probably be in my top twenty comic book creators, but not top ten. Top Ten (Comic Books): Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Carl Barks, Darwyn Cooke, Warren Ellis, Will Eisner, Garth Ennis, Ed Brubaker, Wally Wood, Tim Truman Top Ten (Comic Strips): Walt Kelly, Bill Watterson, Berke Breathed, Gary Larson, Milton Caniff, Bill Mauldin, Al Williamson, Charles Addams, Herb Block, Stan Lynde.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2022 15:41:34 GMT -5
There are many fine talent son that list today, but none make by top 10 list. John Severin would come closest I think.
I'm not ready to special nominate my 10th (holding out hop someone guesses and finishes me off or he gets nominated, though today would be appropriate for him, though he was not an inker (except on his own work) but he was well known for his use of spotting blacks in his work...
So my top 10 (9 slots filled) remains: Moebius, Joe Kubert, Darwyn Cooke, Milton Canniff, Frank Frazetta, Alex Raymond Jeff Smith, Stan Sakai and Will Eisner. 1 spot reserved waiting to see if this creator gets nominated.
-M
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