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Post by driver1980 on Aug 24, 2023 11:05:37 GMT -5
Same here. Much like WWF/WWE PPVs since 1995, the regularity of MCU shows/movies makes me feel I’m having too much of a good thing - and Secret Invasion was no exception. I almost miss the pre-MCU days (thinking 90s/late 80s) where we got a movie, TV or theatrical, once every few years. My experience isn't "too much of a good thing;" more the same formula repeated over and over again and the formula wasn't that deep, to start with. You know, I’d probably go with that, too. I mean, I enjoyed Shang-Chi, but there are elements that were similar to Black Widow. I guess, and this seems more noticeable in live-action, how many more insidious ‘secret’ organisations and infiltrations can we accept? I’m getting rather nostalgic for an era when there was no-universe building, e.g. the standalone WB/DC movies of the 80s. Sure, as a kid I definitely wanted to see Christopher Reeve and Michael Keaton share a scene, but looking back, I think these standalone films, which didn’t need to fit into a narrative, and were mostly directed by different people, felt fresh. And I am not saying that in a rose-tinted glasses kind of way. Also, one slight criticism I have of the MCU is how a lot of films seem like “extended commercials” for future projects - which will themselves be “extended commercials”. It feels at times that an MCU movie is there to introduce and promote the next big character or movie.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Aug 24, 2023 11:23:46 GMT -5
MCU fatigue is here. Nothing lasts forever, even though not too long ago it seemed like it was unstoppable. Now the MCU finally feels like "last decade" and no longer the cool thing. Will be interesting going forward if the box office returns hold up with another 3(?) years of product already in various stages of production, or will it devolve into a DC thing with releases almost dead on arrival?
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 24, 2023 20:26:14 GMT -5
See, I wouldn't call my feelings fatigue; just moderate response to what they were doing, from the start. Even with Iron Man my reaction was largely, "Well, that was okay...better than I expected, not as good as the comics." Nothing wrong with plot or performances, nothing that really bugged me, apart from how casually Tony killed, but that is Hollywood. I didn't think it was the greatest thing ever and it didn't destroy my childhood. It just felt like any other reasonably well don action-adventure film. By contrast, I flat out LOVED Mystery Men, when it hit theaters. It was funny, exciting, quirky and a lot of really great performances and fun ideas. Never read the comics, though I had been meaning to give Flaming Carrot a try.
The Marvel films reflect a lot of how I feel about the average Marvel comic story: fine when you read it, nothing too earthshattering, the company probably overhyped it.
Captain America was the first I was really "excited" to see and I was enjoying the heck out of it and thought they had captured the character well and were delivering a great "old fashioned" adventure, with modern trappings....until the third act, when everything got kicked too much into high gear, to get him frozen on ice. I just really felt it was too early in the story for that and the climax felt truncated. Thor was the same way, though I was less enamored of that one, but didn't hate it. Thor is a character I am mostly ambivalent about, so my expectations weren't especially high. Cap is a favorite and I have lived through Reb Brown and Matt Salinger. At least this had a budget. Winter Soldier was better, as it had the intrigue of a 70s political/spy thriller and the action of a really good Cap comic. Plus, Cap stood for something within it, other than just generic good vs evil. He felt like a soldier living up to the oath he took, which is how I always saw the character. He is a believer.
The rest vary. The first Avengers movie was fine for action, but I felt like it was pretty light on brain food and felt like a video game, as the villains (apart from Loki) were faceless and felt like the cannon fodder henchmen in the original Japanese shows that spawned the Power Rangers. The team dynamic was mostly cliched. There were a few good liens, some good action scenes; but it wasn't what I called a great film.
Ant Man and Guardians of the Galaxy I quite liked, because they felt like a departure from the other stuff. Ant Man was a cool caper film, with superhero trappings. Guardians was space opera, with a post-modern/Tarantino sensibility, minus the bad language. The second Avengers film was okay, but I kind of felt underwhelmed, for a film using Ultron. Nowhere near as good as the Ultron Unleashed comic storyline; but, the films don't have that weight of history to them. Third Avengers (pt 1 & 2) I thought had an epic quality to them, though I also felt that they weren't especially deep and missed a lot of what Starlin did with Thanos. Those were films where I really liked some sequences and then was kind of blah on others.
That's kind of the gist of things, for me. Cap 1 & 2 are clear favorites, followed by Thor: Ragnarok and Guardians of the Galaxy 1, Ant-Man, then Avengers Infinity War/Endgame. Everything else is fine, but not what I would put on a Top Ten list. A lot of Marvel's comics are like that, for me....well done, a decent read, but not brain food. That isn't to say I don't have Marvel stories and characters that are major favorites; just that they tend to be more specials, as do DC titles and characters.
I find that animation gives me a better experience, provided the budget is there and the voice acting is good. Marvel has never approached the level of Batman TAS or Superman TAS and Justice League. However, I like Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes far more than the average live action film, because it had more of that weight of history, a greater variety of stories, and those cool, fun moments that you had in the comics, with less of a tendency to think that the show writers are better than the source material.. that tends to permeate the live action material more, in my viewings. I feel like animation directors get the story mechanics of comics better and reproduce the experience better than live action film can. They also usually have space to let stories breathe, without the budget constraints leading to sacrifices of time or quality (as a whole).
I tend not to enjoy much of what Hollywood puts out these days, as much as DC and Marvel's average output. I'm just not their audience. Every once in a while, someone in either industry hits the right note and I jump on board; but it is rarer now than it used to be.
Sucks to get old.
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