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Post by Action Ace on Nov 13, 2014 22:09:02 GMT -5
I think the quality of writing and art for both was pretty strong. It was the concept, itself, that was the turn-off. The need to shake up the status quo so tactlessly turned off one set of readers, and the inevitable return to the status quo after turned off another. You can argue that the Death Of Superman started off the speculation craze of the 90's. I loved that story and I think that the idea of making the panels bigger each issue leading to all splashes was a great idea. Dan Jurgens is the most underrated Artist of the last 20 years. His pages and figures are just a feast for the eyes. Dan Jurgens is a favorite artist of mine as well. His writing in the Superman comics in the early 90s was also quite good. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 22:22:38 GMT -5
You can argue that the Death Of Superman started off the speculation craze of the 90's. Oh, it goes back several years prior to that. Spider-Man #1, followed by X-Force #1, followed by X-Men #1, followed by Youngblood and Spawn... |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2014 22:27:17 GMT -5
You can argue that the Death Of Superman started off the speculation craze of the 90's. Oh, it goes back several years prior to that. Spider-Man #1, followed by X-Force #1, followed by X-Men #1, followed by Youngblood and Spawn... Superman #75 brought the non comic fan into the game. before his death, it was only comic geeks buying books. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 22:29:55 GMT -5
Oh, it goes back several years prior to that. Spider-Man #1, followed by X-Force #1, followed by X-Men #1, followed by Youngblood and Spawn... Superman #75 brought the non comic fan into the game. before his death, it was only comic geeks buying books. Definitely not. When X-Men #1 hit the shelves, I recall an article in the paper espousing that comics were now more profitable investments than real estate. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2014 22:32:39 GMT -5
Many of my co-workers were asking about Superman #75. They didn't know anything about those other books. Superman's death was in the news and created a world wide buzz.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 22:34:23 GMT -5
Many of my co-workers were asking about Superman #75. They didn't know anything about those other books. Superman's death was in the news and created a world wide buzz. No doubt it took the buzz to a whole new level, but there were plenty of non comic readers buying comics as investments prior to that. Superman #75 just attracted a whole lot more of them. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2014 22:39:18 GMT -5
Many of my co-workers were asking about Superman #75. They didn't know anything about those other books. Superman's death was in the news and created a world wide buzz. No doubt it took the buzz to a whole new level, but there were plenty of non comic readers buying comics as investments prior to that. Superman #75 just attracted a whole lot more of them. It would be interesting to find out which of those books have retained most of their value. X-force and X-men #1 are easily available in the back issue bins. Not so much a black bag Superman or Spider-man #1. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 22:44:04 GMT -5
Superman #75 may be at least partially to blame for why it took me so long to give the character a chance. It was impossible to find comics locally before or for a long while after that issue, but I distinctly recall an entire shelf of that damn book (at least 100 copies) at a local book/music/video store. That book (and its stupid black bag) represents speculation and "the horrible '90s" more than any all the Image books combined for me.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2014 22:47:50 GMT -5
Superman #75 may be at least partially to blame for why it took me so long to give the character a chance. It was impossible to find comics locally before or for a long while after that issue, but I distinctly recall an entire shelf of that damn book (at least 100 copies) at a local book/music/video store. That book (and its stupid black bag) represents speculation and "the horrible '90s" more than any all the Image books combined for me. I draw a distinction between Superman and the rest because Superman is a beloved world wide known figure. Ask any person in the street who X-force is and they'll think it's a laundry detergent. |
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Post by dupersuper on Nov 13, 2014 22:50:13 GMT -5
You can argue that the Death Of Superman started off the speculation craze of the 90's. I loved that story and I think that the idea of making the panels bigger each issue leading to all splashes was a great idea. Dan Jurgens is the most underrated Artist of the last 20 years. His pages and figures are just a feast for the eyes. Dan Jurgens is a favorite artist of mine as well. His writing in the Superman comics in the early 90s was also quite good. I love his art, but his writing is...fine. Reliable and every one's in character, but bland, the humour generally falls flat, and his "surprise endings" are painfully obvious by page 2 (when he wasn't cheating like when he gave Cyborg Superman thought bubbles that made no sense given who he turned out to really be...). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 22:52:29 GMT -5
X-Force #2 is the new contender for most valuable of the lot, scarily. It's the 2nd appearance of Deadpool, so suddenly in demand and there were literally cases of it that ended up in landfills, so despite the massive number printed, it's selling for $15+ right now in a lot of places.
You want a black bag Superman #75-last time I checked we had 13 copies sitting in a back issue bin in a store that didn't open until a little over 4 years ago. Every time we buy a bulk 90s lot, there are minimum 2-3 copies of it, sometimes opened, sometimes unopened, but it is ubiquitous around here. As for Spidey #1, our store has moved 15-20 copies out of the dollar bins in the 2+ years I have been helping him with back issues (not the "rare" variants, but the main cover), but the 2 copies we have bagged and boarded in the main back issue bin priced at $3 haven't moved in that time, even when we haven't had copies in the dollar bins. X-Men #1 and X-Force #1 turn up in multiple copies in every bulk 90s lot too. Surprising a sealed X-Fore #1 with the Deadpool card can fetch $10 in our shop, the others sit in the dollar bins collecting dust. X-Men 1s arrive faster than they sell.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 23:02:16 GMT -5
Superman 75 popularized speculation to a wider audience, but it had to already be in place for it to be popularized; it cashed in on a growing trend by using an icon known to the general public, but speculators had already crept in from the sports card market and other places. The early adapters of the speculation market were already in place to capitalize on the demand and ability to sell Supes #75 at inflated prices, and DCs print run was so high because they were expecting to capitalize on that sales push it would provide. If they didn't know the demand would be there from people snapping up multiple copies before any of the hype reached the general public, they wouldn't have known to print as many copies as they did 3 months before the news broke, which is when they would have had to decide how big a print run to make, and retailer orders wouldn't have been so high unless they knew they could push the book onto the speculator market that already existed. The all in by the general public expended an already existing speculator market, it did not create a speculator market. So many from the general public were disappointed they couldn't get the book and ended up buying copies at inflated prices because the entrenched speculators were already in place to get the book.
Supes 75 may be a candidate for the poster child for speculation, but it did not cause or create the speculator market.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2014 23:06:00 GMT -5
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 23:18:09 GMT -5
I grabbed a black bag Superman #75 for $5 a few years back.
The winner for the overly hyped comic from the 1990s that has retained the most value is Platinum Dealer Incentive Spider-Man #1 which still sells for around $200 on ebay.
To be fair, no one knew it existed until after it had already become a sensation. It wasn't a book people rushed out to buy multiple copies of, and neither were New Mutants #98 nor X-Force #2.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 13, 2014 23:32:29 GMT -5
I think the quality of writing and art for both was pretty strong. It was the concept, itself, that was the turn-off. The need to shake up the status quo so tactlessly turned off one set of readers, and the inevitable return to the status quo after turned off another. I agree... the precedent of temporary deaths they set is ridiculous, but the story itself (for Reign of the Supermen, anyway) was really good. It's interesting, if that was a Manga, Clark Kent wouldn't come back, but would appear regularly in flashbacks and such... why not do that? |
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