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Post by hondobrode on Nov 13, 2014 1:37:03 GMT -5
LOL
I'm there with you pakehafulla
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Post by Randle-El on Nov 13, 2014 1:58:20 GMT -5
On triangle Superman -- I have heard numerous times that this was a great era for Superman. The only thing I've read from that period is the death of Superman. I've been meaning to check out the rest of the stories... but to be honest, the whole crossover aspect of it has really put me off. I got REALLY burned out on crossovers after all the X-book crossovers -- to the point that, if I find out any of my current pull books are going to be involved in a crossover, it's a candidate to be dropped. So triangle era Superman just comes off to me as the one of the worst aspects of modern comics being made a regular part of the books for most of the decade.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 2:06:54 GMT -5
On triangle Superman -- I have heard numerous times that this was a great era for Superman. The only thing I've read from that period is the death of Superman. I've been meaning to check out the rest of the stories... but to be honest, the whole crossover aspect of it has really put me off. I got REALLY burned out on crossovers after all the X-book crossovers -- to the point that, if I find out any of my current pull books are going to be involved in a crossover, it's a candidate to be dropped. So triangle era Superman just comes off to me as the one of the worst aspects of modern comics being made a regular part of the books for most of the decade. It wasn't really a cross-over, per se. It was a meticulously crafted sub-universe. You usually didn't have to read more than one title, but it was rewarding to do so because there was rich continuity at play. And the few crossovers they did in this era (prior to The Death of Superman, at which point, everything changed) were all worthwhile. None of them were empty events for the sake of creating events, and there were no red sky tie-ins. I haven't gotten far enough in the Superman reviews to give you a clear jumping on point, but I came in around 1990, a few issues before the Krisis of the Krimson Kryptonite crossover, and was thoroughly enthralled. Even as a ten year old, I could savor the rich continuity, careful character development, and big but well-earned shake-ups that were occurring in those pages. Great stuff. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 13, 2014 15:07:12 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the aftermath of the death of Superman... I think both Steel and that version of Superboy were great characters.
I think from around then until the 'red/blue' stuff was really a pretty good time for Superman.
The 90s were actually pretty decent as long as you stay away from Marvel and Image... it's just that what was popular was so very, very bad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 15:26:45 GMT -5
Death Of Superman and Knightfall are actually the two events that made me quit reading super hero comics forever.
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 13, 2014 16:44:24 GMT -5
 The majority of Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol was in the 90's.  An incredibly spectacular run of great creators on this, the longest running Vertigo title in history. Who'd of thunk it ? Grant Morrison, Neil Gaiman, Jamie Delano, Garth Ennis, Eddie Campbell, Paul Jenkins, and Warren Ellis. Interiors by David Lloyd, Dave McKean, Kev Walker, Mark Buckingham, Sean Phillips, Steve Pugh, Dean Motter, Mark Pennington, Tom Sutton, Stan Woch, Mike Hoffman, Steve Dillon, Charlie Adlard, Warren Pleece, John Higgins, Tim Bradstreet, Javier Pulido and Marcelo Frusin. Covers by Tim Bradstreet, Glenn Fabry, Sean Phillips, Kent Williams and David Lloyd. Whew !  Peter David's Hulk was one of the consistently solid reads Marvel had. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 13, 2014 16:53:05 GMT -5
Death Of Superman and Knightfall are actually the two events that made me quit reading super hero comics forever. Brother I can understand that. Knightfall especially killed ANY desire I have to read Batman. I even really like Greg Capullo's art on the curreent stuff, but the thought of having to read Batman stops me every time. Admittedly the fact that he appears in a ridiculous amount of books every month doesnt help either. Theres only so many Bat-miracle solutions a fulla can take... |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 13, 2014 18:38:17 GMT -5
Death Of Superman and Knightfall are actually the two events that made me quit reading super hero comics forever. They were both awful, so that's understandable. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 19:57:08 GMT -5
Death Of Superman and Knightfall are actually the two events that made me quit reading super hero comics forever. They were both awful, so that's understandable. I think the quality of writing and art for both was pretty strong. It was the concept, itself, that was the turn-off. The need to shake up the status quo so tactlessly turned off one set of readers, and the inevitable return to the status quo after turned off another. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 13, 2014 20:15:54 GMT -5
They were both awful, so that's understandable. I think the quality of writing and art for both was pretty strong. It was the concept, itself, that was the turn-off. The need to shake up the status quo so tactlessly turned off one set of readers, and the inevitable return to the status quo after turned off another. The Quality of the art for "Death?" The final issue was just spectacularly incompetent - Screwed up perspective, Plastic-Man-esque anatomy, camera angle choices that just. did. not. work. Working with just full panels splashes - and no establishing shots, cut-away panels and inserts -is HARD. You basically gotta be Walt Simonson to pull it off. On the other hand, it was the first time in my adult reading that I recognized bad art as "bad art" so it taught me a lot. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 20:18:12 GMT -5
I think the quality of writing and art for both was pretty strong. It was the concept, itself, that was the turn-off. The need to shake up the status quo so tactlessly turned off one set of readers, and the inevitable return to the status quo after turned off another. The Quality of the art for "Death?" The final issue was just spectacularly incompetent - Screwed up perspective, Plastic-Man-esque anatomy, camera angle choices that just. did. not. work. Working with just full panels splashes - and no establishing shots, cut-away panels and inserts -is HARD. You basically gotta be Walt Simonson to pull it off. On the other hand, it was the first time in my adult reading that I recognized bad art as "bad art" so it taught me a lot. It's been a long time since I read it, but I remember the pacing/momentum of the art being quite powerful. I noticed that more than specific anatomy issues. |
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Post by dupersuper on Nov 13, 2014 21:16:41 GMT -5
The actual death was just a big slugfest, but I loved Funeral for a Friend, Reign of the Supermen and Return of Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 21:22:18 GMT -5
I think the quality of writing and art for both was pretty strong. It was the concept, itself, that was the turn-off. The need to shake up the status quo so tactlessly turned off one set of readers, and the inevitable return to the status quo after turned off another. The Quality of the art for "Death?" The final issue was just spectacularly incompetent - Screwed up perspective, Plastic-Man-esque anatomy, camera angle choices that just. did. not. work. Working with just full panels splashes - and no establishing shots, cut-away panels and inserts -is HARD. You basically gotta be Walt Simonson to pull it off. On the other hand, it was the first time in my adult reading that I recognized bad art as "bad art" so it taught me a lot. As a kid the typical 90's superhero art didn't bother me, until around the time it also infiltrated my indy comics. I did like variety as a kid, even when I was totally into super heroes, I was also totally into several other things outside the house style. So while I liked McFarlane Spidey, I didn't like McFarlane-clone-Malibu. After taking a long breather from muscles and claws and gritting teeth and everybody always jumping forward with their legs tucked behind them, I can't go back. So much is so wrong with all of it. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2014 21:38:13 GMT -5
They were both awful, so that's understandable. I think the quality of writing and art for both was pretty strong. It was the concept, itself, that was the turn-off. The need to shake up the status quo so tactlessly turned off one set of readers, and the inevitable return to the status quo after turned off another. You can argue that the Death Of Superman started off the speculation craze of the 90's. I loved that story and I think that the idea of making the panels bigger each issue leading to all splashes was a great idea. Dan Jurgens is the most underrated Artist of the last 20 years. His pages and figures are just a feast for the eyes. |
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 13, 2014 22:07:52 GMT -5
The actual death was just a big slugfest, but I loved Funeral for a Friend, Reign of the Supermen and Return of Superman. Agreed. I listed Triangle Era Superman in my list. I'd go from the point he returns from space up to his return from death. It is very enjoyable each and every week. |
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