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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 23, 2022 5:59:38 GMT -5
As many of you know, I've spent years compiling indexes of character appearances in Silver and Bronze Age comics for both Marvel and DC. I've read virtually every super-hero story from those eras, which means I'm familiar with material a lot you haven't seen. So I'm fairly comfortable saying that most of you have never encountered 2. The Anti-Justice League
This squad of nogoodniks appeared just once, in Action Comics #443 (January 1975), which is a darn shame because they deserved to be seen again. Organized (and mentally dominated) by Zazzala the Queen Bee to avenge her past defeats, it consisted of Brainiac, Chronos, Clayface, Gorilla Grodd, The Harpy, Merlyn the Archer, The Ocean Master, and Sinestro. If that sounds like a formidable line-up, you're right, because the Antis actually defeated and imprisoned the entire JLA including Superman. They were defeated in the end by A) that old trope of the bad guys choosing not to kill their enemies while they're captive and helpless, and B) the improbable scheme the Man of Steel dreams up--which involves hypnotizing the entire world into believing Clark Kent is the super-hero and Superman the news anchor[--around which writer Elliot S! Maggin built his plot. The Antis are only beaten when The Big Red S, in a last-ditch, desperate manuever, frees The Flash, who then frees the others in the tried-and-true Gardner Fox style. So, yeah, it's a silly-ass story that could've come straight out of Mort Weisinger's editorial office instead of Julius Schwartz's. But the Antis make my #2 slot on sheer potential: no other super-villain teamto that point had ever come so close to permanently eliminating the Justice League. I would've loved to see them try again. Cei-U! I summon the near-miss!
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 23, 2022 6:20:16 GMT -5
2. Masters of Evil (from Under Seige) first appearance (in this incarnation): Avengers #273 (although there was build-up and individual members appearing alone or in combination in the preceding issues) line-up: Baron Zemo, Moonstone, Grey Gargoyle, Absorbing Man, Titania [not the Grappler!], Blackout, Mr. Hyde, Fixer, Goliath [formerly known –at that point - as Power Man and Smuggler], Screaming Mimi, Tiger Shark, Whirlwind, Yellowjacket [Rita DeMara] and the Wrecking Crew (Wrecker, Thunderball, Bulldozer, and Piledriver) This iteration of the Masters has, unsurprisingly, appeared several times thus far, so I suppose I don’t need to provide lengthy explanations for my choice. I’ll just say that there have been many teams who have operated under the name Masters of Evil (mainly) in the pages of the Avengers, but to my mind none have been nearly as fearsome and brutally effective as the powerhouse team assembled by Baron Zemo. Leave it to one of my favorite superhero comics scribes, Roger Stern, to do something that – as Kurt/ Cei-U! noted in his own write-up – apparently never occurred to anyone before (but seems obvious in retrospect). Their plan was a pretty simple divide and conquer ploy that was initially quite successful, as they stormed and seized the Avengers Mansion and administered some pretty vicious beatdowns (Hercules in particular was pummeled almost to death, while Jarvis was also sadistically tortured and beaten). ( Friggin' brutal...) And this story wasn’t just, or even primarily, about the super-powered fisticuffs and whatnot, because again, as Kurt noted, it packed a lot of emotional heft. Truly the peak of Stern’s excellent run as writer on the Avengers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 6:43:48 GMT -5
2. Insecticons (Marvel/Marvel UK, 1980s)The Insecticons are a faction, if that is the right word, within the Decepticons, certainly not a faction to be trusted (can any faction ever be trusted?). That’s the simple write-up. I am most familiar with them from the Marvel and Marvel UK comics. I like their independent, rebellious nature (too many Decepticons fawn over Megatron). But I have to include then on my list because a) they have a cool name, and b) their abilities are really interesting, such as the ability to form a swarm, the fact that they consume organic and inorganic matter, and one or two abilities I may have forgotten, including controlling the weather. If I was Optimus Prime, the Insecticons would be giving me sleepless nights. An Idento-computer is is a technological system that adapts a Transformer’s ability based on what is near, so when the Insecticons landed on earth, in prehistoric times, they ended up in a swamp; this meant that the Idento-computer gave them transformative modes based on local insects. Such a cool idea, such a great team. I end this write-up because autocorrect is beginning to bore me, with its attempts to change Decepticon, Insecticon and Idento-computer (I *loathe* autocorrect).
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Post by foxley on Dec 23, 2022 6:53:33 GMT -5
Because sometimes worlds collide... #2. Secret Society of Super-Villains (Ultra-Humanite version) (Justice League of America #195-197)(Ultra-Humanite, Brainwave, Cheetah (Domaine), Floronic Man, Killer Frost (Frost), The Mist, The Monocle, Psycho-Pirate, Rag Doll, Signalman) Others have already sung the praises of this particular story, so there is no need for me to rehash the plot here. But putting this list together made me realise exactly how much I love this story, and how significant it is to me and my love of comics. I think this was the first time I encountered thhe concept of Earth-2 (or, if not, the first time I fully grasped it). And I fell in love with it. And is almost certainly why I latched on to later titles like Infinity, Inc. and All-Star Squadron. And the plotting is excellent. I loved how Conway (and Perez, who is credited as co-plotter) showed how with the proper preparation and surprise, even villains who were seemingly mismatched in power, like Rag Doll versus the Flash, could take down the hero. Oh, and if anyone talks about how useless Signalman is as a villain, point them here to see how he pwns Batman. And one thing that I don't think I have ever heard anyone comment on is Conway's choice of Earth-2 villains. The Mist and Psycho-Pirate had both appeared in 1965 stories by Gardner Fox and Murphy Anderson, but as far I know, this was the first post-Golden Age appearance for all of the others (Ultra-Humanite, Brainwave, the Monocle and Rag Doll). And Ultra-Humanite has gone on to become one of the recurring big bads in the DCU, and the other three have all made major appearances since. And Conway and Perez created the albino gorilla form for Ultra tat is now his default. Somehow this story never gets old no matter how many times I go back to it.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 23, 2022 6:55:25 GMT -5
#2 The Frightful four
Fantastic Four # 36 Marvel Comics ( 1965) Writer: Stan Lee Artist: Jack Kirby Inker: Chic StoneI always loved this team. The core three members, The Wizard, Paste Pot Pete ( Trapster), and the Sandman were used in other parts of the Marvel Universe but they united in order to be the counterpart for the Fantastic Four. With the addition of Medusa, they were quite formidable and actually soundly beat the FF in their 3rd appearance . The magic to the team is that when they replaced the fourth member, it always made for a good story. During their history they had Thundra, the Brute, Elektro , Blastarr and even had a mind controlled Thing help them in their schemes. A few points about the the team:The Wizard has Reed Richards level intelligence which makes him the natural leader for the group. He also had an eye for women and it hurts his judgment at times. The Frightful Four soundly beat the FF a few times , and the first time in FF # 38 Leads to them losing their powers and a great 2 parter where Doom takes over the Baxter building. Issue # 177 of the FF has a great story where the Wizard has a recruitment drive for the vacant fourth member spot. It includes a few first appearances and lands them the Brute , the Richards of counter earth. Maybe my favorite "fourth member" was Thundra. She was a powerhouse and nice eye candy as well.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 23, 2022 6:56:40 GMT -5
#2 – "The Angel Gang": Pa Angel, Link Angel, Mean Machine Angel, Junior Angel, and Fink AngelAs seen in 2000 AD #160–181 (1980) and #193–196 (1981) It was great to see driver1980 pick The Angel Gang yesterday, as they've always been one of my favourite bands of villains in comics. The Angel Gang first appeared in the Judge Dredd strip during the extended "Judge Child" storyline in 1980. The gang were led by the ruthless patriarch Pa Angel, and he and his murderous sons Link, Mean Machine, Junior, and Fink were certainly the most infamous, psychopathic and feared gang of criminals to come out of the radioactive wasteland known as the Cursed Earth near Texas City in the 22nd century. Despite the fact that Dredd killed most of the gang during the "Judge Child" story arc – only Fink survived initially, although Mean Machine was later resurrected by the Judge Child and sent to exact revenge on Dredd – the gang made a hell of an impression on me and many other readers of 2000 AD back in the day. So much so, that 2000 AD even published a short-lived series of stand-alone Angel Gang stories. Undoubtedly the most famous member of the gang is Mean Machine, who has become one of Dredd's biggest breakout bad guys, with his brutal nature and cybernetic enhancements, including a dial on his head which controls his level of rage and the power of his lethal headbutts. Mean Machine and the Angel Gang even proved popular enough to appear in the God-awful 1995 Judge Dredd movie, starring Sylvester Stallone, with Mean serving as the movie's central antagonist. I think the best thing about the Angel Gang, apart from just how unrelentingly evil they all were, is that writers John Wagner and Alan Grant imbued them all with really distinct personalities. This was not some anonymous gang of cookie-cutter miscreants – this was a darkly hilarious group of larger-than-life outlaws who, amongst me and my pals at least, became almost as popular as the strip's lead character for a while there in the early '80s.
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Post by Jeddak on Dec 23, 2022 7:25:06 GMT -5
#2 - Luthor and Brainiac Superman 167 This one was originally much lower on the list. But rereading it bumped my appreciation for this issue up quite a bit. It's not just that Superman's 2 greatest enemies were teaming up; we all know that big concepts don't always equal big stories. But this one lived up to the concept. We start with Luthor escaping from prison, again. (And I love how the silver age stories would go out of their way to give us an elaborate escape plan just to set up that the villain was available for mayhem again.) He tries to kill Superman, fails, and decides he needs help. So he builds a machine to find the 'mightiest intelligence in time and space' to team with. He ends up learning the true origin of Brainiac. See, up until now, Brainiac was just an alien space pirate. This is the issue which first establishes that he's actually a humanoid computer. They spend 4 pages on this, and talk about it on the letters page, so they meant it to be a big deal. Luthor frees Brainiac from the prison on an abandoned world Superman had built for him, and they agree to work together. Luthor helpfully offers to increase Brainiac's intelligence, but also implants a failsafe to prevent his new partner from turning on him. (Which alone makes Luthor a genius, in comic book villain terms.) They capture Superman, take away his powers and shrink him down to birdcage size. While Brainiac is busy hypnotizing Luthor to undo that failsafe (no slouch himself), Supes manages to alert the Kandorians to his location. A group of super little guys goes to his rescue, but too late to prevent Brainiac from paralyzing Superman, leaving him in a state of living death. The Kandorians take the 2 villains to their bottle city to stand trial. Brainiac is sentenced to eternity in the Phantom Zone. But he and Luthor bargain with the tribunal, offering to save Superman in exchange for their freedom. The bottle city votes to forego their revenge on the guy who put them in the bottle, to save Superman. Revived, big blue feels obligated to honor the agreement, and lets the 2 bad guys go. This was a lot of really good stuff. Epic, even. The new origin of Brainiac, the team-up where each villain manages to stab the other in the back, but they end up helping each other anyway. The bad guys beating Superman, actually pretty easily. He didn't even put up much of a fight. Kandor bringing Brainiac to justice, then facing a moral dilemma. And the bad guys won! They nearly killed Superman; they would have if they hadn't bargained for their freedom. Then in the end, they get away with it! I mean, sure, Superman swears a solemn vow to catch them again. File that along with his vow to restore Kandor, cure Mon-el and get him out of the Phantom Zone, find a cure for Kryptonite. Hell, he probably vowed to find the Holy Grail and the final digit of pi sometime in there. The fact remains, he didn't win in this one. He couldn't even rescue himself. The story was written by Edmond Hamilton, apparently from a plot by Cary Bates. Clearly, they put in the extra effort, to make this story fulfill the potential of that initial concept.
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Post by foxley on Dec 23, 2022 7:30:55 GMT -5
That is a lot of purple in one small group! And did the Wizard dye Sandman's torso to match the rest of the team?
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Post by commond on Dec 23, 2022 7:51:01 GMT -5
2. Dark Judges"The Crime isss Life. The Sentence isss Death." I love me some early 80s 2000 AD -- Nemesis the Warlock, Torquemada, Slaine, Strontium Dog, Rogue Trooper, and of course, Dredd. When you think of Dredd, the first villains that spring to mind are Judge Death and the Dark Judges. It may come as a surprise to American readers who saw Judge Death used as comic relief in the Batman/Dredd crossover, but when Judge Death was introduced, he was one scary mother. Not only was his primary method of killing people to thrust his fingers into the body of his victim and squeeze their heart until it burst, you also couldn't kill the guy! He was a spirit that inhabited a corpse. Even if you manged to destroy his host body, his spirit could escape and possess a living human. Then he'd prepare the new host by using a mixture of chemicals to decay the flesh and let the body reach full ripeness. In order to defeat Judge Death the first time, Psi Judge Anderson had to make a tremendous sacrifice that left her inextricably linked to his spirit, trapping it inside herself and encasing her body inside a makeshift sarcophagus. And his buddies were just as bad. Judge Fear wore a giant helmet with bat-like wings. When he'd pass judgement on a suspect, his faceplate would open and he'd frighten the accused to death with whatever they saw inside. (His face was only ever shown twice, once as a mass of eyeballs and again as grotesque mandibles.) His catchphrase was "Gaze into the face of Fear," which led to this iconic Dredd moment: Judge Mortis was a in a perpetual state of disintegration, and his touch caused his victims to decay at a rapid rate. Judge Fire wasn't quite as macabre. He was the Ghost Rider looking dude, who was dangerous because he had a weapon he could use from long distance. The height of the Dark Judges during my fandom was when they took control of Mega City One and turned it into Necropolis, the city of the undead, killing 60 million citizens in the process. How many other villains in this year's countdown can claim they killed 60 million people? And no-one's mentioned yet that the original Judge Death stories were drawn by Brian freakin' Bolland. Seriously, crank up some British New Wave of Heavy Metal and prepare to have the bejesus scared out of you.
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Post by commond on Dec 23, 2022 8:07:43 GMT -5
Dark Angel wrote a song about the Dark Judges.
Warning: It's noisy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 8:09:19 GMT -5
Fatal FiveWhat can I say? They're the bee's knees.
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Post by DubipR on Dec 23, 2022 8:32:35 GMT -5
#2- ThunderboltsWith the arrival of the Thunderbolts introduction in Hulk 449 and then in their premiere issue 2 weeks later, Thunderbolts were the big team book during the Onslaught/Heroes Reborn crossover. With the major heroes (FF and the Avengers) gone, the Thunderbolts stepped up to be the new heroes. After an impressive debut to the New York public, the reveal at the end blew my mind. That Kurt Busiek used Baron Zemo and this new incarnation of the Masters of Evil to pose as heroes. It was an elaborate ruse with one objective; to get the Avengers and Fantastic Four's access to all their files, tech and basically use that against every Marvel hero. Busiek created probably the last most significant point in Marvel history (in my opinion) with the creation of The Thunderbolts. Yes, new characters like Spider-Gwen and Miles Morales are key but something that shook the status quo for 7 years during the run of the book is major. Let's just say this... if Busiek did another Marvels series, Alex Ross would have to paint a couple of pages in an issue.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 23, 2022 9:10:16 GMT -5
2. The GrailFrom the zany and blasphemous imagination of Garth Ennis comes the group whose pale imitation helped make the sophomoric "Da Vinci Code" an international success.
(Starr, Featherstone and Hoover). The Grail was founded thousands of years ago to make sure that the bloodline of Jesus would not be lost, and to that end it oversaw a program of inbreeding that led to exactly the kind of result you'd expect. Paving the way for the Second Coming, the Grail holds all the great powers of the world by the short and curly, and it might eventually have ruled the world if not for one Jesse Custer. At its head was the deceptively harmless-looking Father D'Aronique, whose gross dietary habits was only equalled by his table manners. After he met an inglorious and meteoric end, he was replaced by his prime executioner, Herr Starr, a character who redefined the term"ruthless". (For example: when tasked to murder a certain man in a hospital without the crime being traceable, Starr simply blew up the whole place. He reasoned that among the hundreds of possible motives for the bombing, the murder of one individual would be lost in the background noise.) Starr was hilarious thanks to the contrast between his forceful and irredeemable attitude and his incredibly bad luck : his eye was cut out by a school bully; a huge scar on his bald head made it look like a giant penis; one of his ears was shot off; one leg was eaten by a family of cannibals; a dog ate his genitals... and to top it off, after an unfortunate encounter in a back alley, the only way he managed to get sexual satisfaction was by being buggered with a lobster. And yet somehow this horrible human being managed to have another Grail member, the ever-efficient Featherstone, fall in love with him! Featherstone was a tough-as-nails Grail agent, whose devotion and competence was never appreciated... except by another prominent Grail member, the bumbling Hoover. Poor Hoover... he started as a promising agent too, one who really believed in the saintly goals of his organization, until he was offhandedly condemned by Jesse Custer to count all the grains of sand on a beach. A windy beach. (For the folks new to Preacher: its main character inherited the "voice of God" and can force anyone to do anything just by telling them to). This experience broke Hoover as a field agent, but he remained absolutely smitten with his partner Featherstone. Due to Starr's hatred of Jesse Custer, the Grail eventually destroyed itself, lost the holy bloodline and saw all of its major members die. But what a fun ride it was while it lasted! Marrying classic comic-book villainy, grand conspiracy theories, iconoclastic theology and potty jokes, it was pure Garth Ennis.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 23, 2022 9:17:32 GMT -5
2. Galactus and The Silver SurferOccurred in Fantastic Four #48-50 (March thru May 1966) By Jack Kirby It's fair to say that many characters that we consider "villains" on these lists do not see themselves that way. Try telling Dr. Doom he is a villain, or Magneto, or Sub-Mariner. In the case of Galactus and The Silver Surfer, they were a symbiotic duo, spanning the galaxies and looking after one another. The Surfer liberated Galactus from a life devoted entirely to seeking out sustenance, and Galactus gifted The Surfer with the Power Cosmic and the freedom of the cosmos in return. There was a definite beauty in this, and a genuine affection in their interactions that was far more substantial than the kind of considerations usually afforded to "villains" in 1966. And yet, they were the destroyers of countless worlds, and they were all too ready to take out The Earth as well. The first time I realized I had a horse in the Lee vs. Kirby debate was when I read Silver Surfer #1. Without Jack Kirby's involvement, Stan Lee had soft-rebooted the character and undermined this beautifully complex relationship with Galactus that bordered on a kind of cosmic intimacy. Now the Surfer was just an unwilling slave, serving out his time in exchange for the lives of his planet and the woman that he loves. Lee missed the point entirely and undid what is undoubtedly my favorite Kirby creation. And I think it mattered tremendously that The Surfer neither understood nor cared that planetary genocide was wrong at first; by the end, he was a work in progress, seeking to understand more about himself and the world, and still feeling a strong bond to the master he betrayed only of necessity. The Surfer was no hero and Galactus was no monster. Life isn't always that black and white. Jack understood that. Stan not so much.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 23, 2022 9:37:08 GMT -5
2. Galactus and The Silver SurferThe first time I realized I had a horse in the Lee vs. Kirby debate was when I read Silver Surfer #1. Without Jack Kirby's involvement, Stan Lee had soft-rebooted the character and undermined this beautifully complex relationship with Galactus that bordered on a kind of cosmic intimacy. Now the Surfer was just an unwilling slave, serving out his time in exchange for the lives of his planet and the woman that he loves. Lee missed the point entirely and undid what is undoubtedly my favorite Kirby creation. And I think it mattered tremendously that The Surfer neither understood nor cared that planetary genocide was wrong at first; by the end, he was a work in progress, seeking to understand more about himself and the world, and still feeling a strong bond to the master he betrayed only of necessity. The Surfer was no hero and Galactus was no monster. Life isn't always that black and white. Jack understood that. Stan not so much. Fully agreed!!! The second appearance of the Surfer in Fantastic Four further emphasized that he was not an unwilling slave struck with amnesia; he still had a hard time comprehending how people "worked". I loved him much better as an unfathomable alien than as yet another misunderstood good guy.
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