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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 14:14:27 GMT -5
If the Library of Congress is correct, this issue went on sale 40 years ago today (some sites may show a different date): Any memories from this issue (or series)? Any views on Bats forming an alliance with the Outsiders? I do miss covers like that. When did word balloons/speech bubbles fall out of fashion? In the late 80s, a company here called London Editions Magazines, which was owned by Egmont, had the licence to reprint DC. One title they put out was Batman Monthly. The comic began with reprints of The Untold Legend of the Batman before moving to 70s strips; later on, it reprinted some Batman and the Outsiders stories, which I enjoyed immensely. Some people, and I have fallen into this trap at times, think that the “curse” of multiple titles for a character is a modern phenomena, but when this series was released, Batman would have had, what, 2 solo titles, plus JLA appearances? It is nice, though, when multiple titles have a different flavour. The Detective Comics issues I read as a kid seemed to be more about Bats’ brains while Batman appeared to be more about superheroics. So Batman teaming up with a fledgling team, who probably needed a mentor, was most welcome. I do believe Outsiders is a good name for a team (or in any fictional world, e.g. wrestlers Scott Hall and Kevin Nash teamed up as the Outsiders in WCW, from 1996 onwards). Did anyone buy this title regularly? Was there anyone not interested in the title? Be good to read all kinds of views.
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Post by majestic on May 19, 2023 14:56:05 GMT -5
At the time team titles were what I wanted to read so I was excited to have another title with new and old heroes. Having Jim Aparo on art was a huge plus. I loved this book and really liked the cross over with New Teen Titans.
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Post by Calidore on May 19, 2023 15:34:25 GMT -5
Just how many times has Batman quit the Justice League?
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Post by tarkintino on May 19, 2023 15:47:39 GMT -5
Batman and the Outsiders was a "must-read" title when it made its debut; the idea of Batman no longer seeing eye-to-eye with the handcuffed lack of response / methods of the JLA was the next, logical step in DC team comics--a needed breath of fresh air almost as consistently interesting as The New Teen Titans. Mike W. Barr (one of the best Star Trek comic book writers) and Aparo were a magnetic combination making the title so much fun in its early run.
Never missing an opportunity to capitalize on success, the crossover (BATO #5 / TNTT #37) felt natural, with the anticipated tension between Robin & Batman worth every panel. Their conflict was spot-on, and would be revisited in the near future, but Robin asserting himself as a leader to his former mentor--and in front of everyone--was a strong sequence.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 19, 2023 16:14:03 GMT -5
A fun series. I was angry when this first replaced Brave and the Bold, but it quickly won me over with its breezy pacing, likeable cast, and great art by Aparo and, later, Alan Davis. I stayed with it until I dropped out of comics completely in '86. I have the whole run (32 issues plus two annuals), plus the first five issues of the Batman-less Outsiders title.
Cei-U! I summon the personal fave!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 19, 2023 16:33:05 GMT -5
I liked it when it came out. I haven't read it since then so I have no idea how it would hold up...though I know the art is still amazing.
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Post by commond on May 19, 2023 16:38:30 GMT -5
I read the first dozen or so issues last year and thought it was incredibly mediocre. I was expecting something more along the lines of the X-Men, New Titans and Legion of Superheroes and it was nowhere near that level. May have been first year growing pains, but I kind of doubt it. I will finish the series at some point, but I'm not in any hurry.
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Post by zaku on May 19, 2023 17:02:14 GMT -5
Just how many times has Batman quit the Justice League? Pre-Crisis just once? I'm wrong?
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Post by Hoosier X on May 19, 2023 17:29:58 GMT -5
I read it on and off for a while. The Jim Aparo art was great! The only thing I remember very well was Katana’s origin, and how her sword housed the spirits of those that had been killed by the sword. That was pretty cool!
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Post by Cei-U! on May 19, 2023 17:40:59 GMT -5
Just how many times has Batman quit the Justice League? Pre-Crisis just once? I'm wrong? No, you're correct. Just once pre-Crisis, in BatO #1.
Cei-U! I summon the confirmation!
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Post by spoon on May 19, 2023 18:57:01 GMT -5
I didn't read this when it was coming out; the first issue was released 2 years before I started reading comics. But maybe 8 or 10 years ago, I binged my way through BATO/Adventures of the Outsiders/Outsiders. I really enjoyed it. There was a great balance in giving all the characters a chance at the spotlight. It seems like Barr had a real plan; it wasn't haphazard. I also like the tone. It wasn't too gritty and wasn't too light either.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 19, 2023 20:47:08 GMT -5
I read the first issue and crossover with the Titans; but, that was it. I wasn't especially interested in many of the characters; but, timing of it was more of an issue. I was in high school when it came out and had tapered off on a lot of comics and didn't really pickup again until the summer of 1985. I missed enough of it that I never really gave it a second look. I only dabbled in Bat books, in the 80s, other than the obvious standouts, like Dark Knight, Year One & Two, etc. I had discovered the indies and read more and more of that, as time went by, though I tried a lot of the new material that came out from 1986 onward, depending on what it was. Stillm ostly drifted in and out of Bats, depending on the story. Just didn't interest me as much, on a monthly basis. I was picking up more earlier reprint material, like Shadow of the Bat (reprinting the Englehart/Rogers stuff) and the Saga of Ra's al Ghul (reprinting the O'Neil/Adams/Novick stuff). Most of the rest of the time, I was filling in gaps from the 60s and 70s, with Batman, Detective, Batman Family and Brave and the Bold. Legends of the Dark Knight was my first regular Bat book in quite a while, other than brief runs of 5 or 6 issues, at a time. then it was batman Adventures. I read a lot of minis & one shots, like Gotham by Gaslight, because they weren't the same old thing and not as stuck in a cycle.
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Post by zaku on May 20, 2023 2:18:48 GMT -5
Pre-Crisis just once? I'm wrong? No, you're correct. Just once pre-Crisis, in BatO #1.
Cei-U! I summon the confirmation!
Thank you! But I admit that the answer in the post Crisis era is... complicated? 😅
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Post by Chris on May 20, 2023 2:42:36 GMT -5
I liked it, and read it up until Batman quit. The first two years were really good, up until the end of the storyline about who Halo really was, then it seemed to dip a little in quality, but was still an entertaining read. But after the end of the Kobra storyline (around issue 27 or 28), I started losing interest and may have dropped the book soon even if Batman had stayed in the group. I have to wonder about that - Mike W. Barr had to have been happy that the Outsiders got a Direct Market book on the nice paper, but I wonder if his enthusiasm was dampened a little by Batman being yanked out of the book and sent back to the Justice League to try to bolster sales on that title (this was during the JL Detroit era). Jim Aparo's art suffered a bit* from having to go to a monthly schedule, but his work was still heeds and shoulders above most other artists in comics. The early issues got a little melodramatic, but that seems to be a hallmark of books edited by Len Wein. Still good stories though. As Hoosier X noted, the Katana story was a highlight of the series. One detail I got a kick out of was {Spoiler: Click to show}that Katana's sword contained the spirits of many Japanese warriors from different eras.... and one Stone Age European, who was totally out of place, with no explanation whatsoever. I was sad that Brave & Bold got canceled, but this was a good replacement. If I recall right, DC had a contract with a South American publishing company to ship them four Batman-themed comics per month ( Batman, Detective Comics, and I believe World's Finest). So Batman & The Outsiders was created specifically to fill a gap in the publishing schedule of another country on another continent. Sometimes coldly corporate decisions work out well. * If you're an art fan and you ever have a chance to pick up this book or this other book, I highly recommend it. The books are in black and white, showing off just how good an artist Aparo was and giving most of the stories an appropriate noir** feel. Volume 2 is roughly half Aparo art, and Volume 3 is all Aparo except for maybe a couple stories. ** Except for the story with Batman on skis. Batman on skis is awesome, but it's not noir.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 4:16:11 GMT -5
I was sad that Brave & Bold got canceled, but this was a good replacement. If I recall right, DC had a contract with a South American publishing company to ship them four Batman-themed comics per month ( Batman, Detective Comics, and I believe World's Finest). So Batman & The Outsiders was created specifically to fill a gap in the publishing schedule of another country on another continent. Sometimes coldly corporate decisions work out well. I like that I can still learn new things today. That is fascinating, I didn’t know that. Thank you, South America!
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