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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 11, 2015 21:28:15 GMT -5
Just a little side note... the wife was watching MacGuyver (she decided the kids would like it and took season 1 out of the library, but has watched 8 episodes in 2 days.. only 1 with the kids.. go figure).
Anyway, Nana Visitor was in one... as the wife of a retired 'Hellfighter' (guys who fight oil rig fires) who is trying to actually strike himself so he can retire, and was a childhood friend of MacGuyver. She's a pretty generic 'spunky wife' character, but it was neat to see her, oh, 7 years earlier, and blonde.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 11, 2015 21:30:09 GMT -5
A particularly weird viewing experience for me was the Roots Christmas special entitled "The Gift". It features Levar Burton, Tim Russ, Avery Brooks, and Kate Mulgrew decades before their Trek days.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 12, 2015 10:47:04 GMT -5
I've seen the original Roots, and I remember thinking how weird it was to see Levar without his visor (why, I'm not sure, since I watched lots of Reading Rainbow).
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 12, 2015 20:01:21 GMT -5
Just a little side note... the wife was watching MacGuyver (she decided the kids would like it and took season 1 out of the library, but has watched 8 episodes in 2 days.. only 1 with the kids.. go figure). Anyway, Nana Visitor was in one... as the wife of a retired 'Hellfighter' (guys who fight oil rig fires) who is trying to actually strike himself so he can retire, and was a childhood friend of MacGuyver. She's a pretty generic 'spunky wife' character, but it was neat to see her, oh, 7 years earlier, and blonde. I liked her on Night Court... |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 13, 2015 21:09:16 GMT -5
I LOVED Night Court as a kid... it hasn't aged well, though. I tried watching it o Nick at Nite not that long ago... ugh. Not as bad as Three's Company, though.
Episode 5 'Cardassians'
James Bond Bashir is chatting with Garak (the 'tailor') trying to get him to admit to being a spy, when a Bajoran enters the bar with a Cardassian child. Garak goes over to introduce himself, and the kid bites him.
Dukat calls almost immediately, and is sad that the war orphans are being raised to hate their own people... apparently he wants to bring the kids home... apparently the Bajorans don't want to let them go.
After an impassioned plea from the father, Bashir finds out from an unidentified alien traveling with that that he'd 'heard' that the kid(Rugel), was being treated poorly... so an investigation seems emminent.
Garak, in sick bay, tells Bashir about the war orphans, and seems to be implying that it the situation was created on purpose... Dukat was, in fact, in charge of the evacuation. Bashir confronts him about it, and Dukat claims he had orders from the civilian leaders, which he disagreed with... despite the fact that Garak told him the military never takes orders from the civilians.
Meanwhile, Rugel is inexplicably staying with the O'Brien's, which give Keiko a chance to undermine and whine at her husband. O'Brien is upset at first, but then ends up bonding with him when Keiko tries to feed them both Cardassian food. He finds out Rugel thinks Cardassians are bad, and that he has, in fact, pretty much be raised to hate his race.
Garak wakes up Bashir in the middle of the night to borrow a runabout, and they ask Sisko for permission, while Dukat interrupts to tell Sisko they figured out who the kid is.. he's the son of a prominent politician.
Garak and Bashir goes to a Bajoran resettlement center, where Garak fixes their computers and looks for the records of Rugel. While there, he finds some other Cardassians kids, one of which asks if she can go back to Cardassia. Garak is still being vague, but he smells a rat.
The Cardassian politician arrives, and demands his son.. he apparently feels really bad that he thought his son was dead, and tells O'Brien how important family is. Keiko then bring Rugel in. He refuses to warm to his father, and demands to go back to Bajor. The Bajoran 'father' demands a fair arbitration, and they pick Sisko.
Rugel claims he doesn't remember anything when he was small until his Bajoran family.
Bashir and Garak continue their research, and Bashir once again interrupts Sisko doing his job to take over. He accuses Dukat of purposely leaving Rugel as an orphan to ruin his political career in the future. Sisko decides to send Rugel with his father (who was the vicitim, really). Apparently Dukat's involvement will keep it a secret, so the guy can still be a politican.
- Kira was awfully casual about Bajorans adopting Cardassian children.. seems like the sort of thing she's be passionate about, somehow.
-- I like the alien with the saucers on his head for his alien bumps... never seen them before. Apparently, his race doesn't get to be named, though it does turn up again (according to the Trek Wiki)
-- I see why Shax likes Garak... he's pretty awesome.
-- I agree with Sisko that having his Doctor interrupt a diplomatic discussion is pretty ridiculous... can you picture Dr. Crusher doing that? Hell, even McCoy would at least do it apologetically. I guess James Bond Bashir just has a license to do whatever.
-- I also agree with O'Brien... letting a stranger who randomly attacked and bit a stranger play with my young daughter would not be happening. And why the heck was this kid, who at best needs counseling, and at worse should be in jail, quartering with the chief engineer??? That makes, oh, about as much sense as Bashir suddenly being Chief Intelligence Officer.
-- Gee, Garak the tailor can fix computers, how strange. worst secret agent ever (still think he's awesome, though).
-- I love the fact that the Cardassians are legendarily good at paperwork and organizing.. makes total sense for a military society.
-- So this is like the 3rd time O'Brien was used as a diplomat... is Sisko that understaffed? Busy?
Excellent episode, plot wise, as long as you ignore the really dumb parts.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 13, 2015 21:33:06 GMT -5
And why the heck was this kid, who at best needs counseling, and at worse should be in jail, quartering with the chief engineer??? That makes, oh, about as much sense as Bashir suddenly being Chief Intelligence Officer. I suspect it was partly the diplomatic angle. They were on dangerous ground even removing Rugle from his father. Placing him in some sort of confinement would not have played well. I thoroughly agree that just having him hang out with the O'Brians is a truly terrible decision, but I could easily see a deleted scene where Keiko insists upon it. Bad at the "secret" part, you mean? Eh, I think he likes being unpredictable with Bashir, and doing the Bajorans a favor would definitely confuse them and ruffle their feathers, which you know he loved doing. First mentioned back in "Duet". Yep. They've been consistent with this. Pretty much EVERYONE in this episode acts like they've never been to Starfleet Academy. Yup. [/quote] |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 14, 2015 21:26:46 GMT -5
O'Brien's not actually that bad at diplomacy, it's just the principle of the thing.
I'm looking forward to finding out what the heck Garak's deal is, actually. He's definitely my favorite part of the show so far.
They did talk about the organization thing before, I just didn't realize it was sorta a racial trait... I thought it was just the one guy.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 14, 2015 22:03:50 GMT -5
O'Brien's not actually that bad at diplomacy, it's just the principle of the thing. I think the point was supposed to be that O'Brien was in a uniquely awkward situation because he hates Cardassians more than anyone else on the station (possibly even Kira post-"Duet"). You'll get most of it eventually, but in deliciously twisted little bits and pieces. More cultural than racial, I suspect, though, in Trek, those two are more or less the same. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 15, 2015 11:13:51 GMT -5
See, I didn't realize that O'Brien was supposed to really hate the Cardassians... he doesn't seem like a hating kinda guy to me, and it's not like they fought them much in TNG... a bit, sure, but not as much as the Romulans, the Borg, etc. Really the only one I really remember is the 'There are FOUR LIGHTS' episode where they try to break Picard, but O'Brien wasn't really involved in that at all.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 15, 2015 11:18:45 GMT -5
O'Brian's hatred towards Cardassians was established in the Next Gen episode "The Wounded" (Season 4). He and his former crew aided a settlement at Setlik III as the Carassians staged a massacre there. |
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 17, 2015 1:10:05 GMT -5
I LOVED Night Court as a kid... it hasn't aged well, though. I find it holds up great. Maybe you're thinking of Knight Rider... |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 17, 2015 12:15:53 GMT -5
O'Brian's hatred towards Cardassians was established in the Next Gen episode "The Wounded" (Season 4). He and his former crew aided a settlement at Setlik III as the Carassians staged a massacre there. I don't remember that one, but I definitely remember when they were coming out that I thought the Cardassians were boring.. they seemed like 'hey, we need a new war-like race since the Klingons are good guys now!' The fact the Romulans were just as war-like didn't seem to matter. It may be I missed it all together (I've never actually watched TNG from start to finish, so there could be the odd episode or two that I never saw). They're given much more depth both indivually and as a culture in DS9, even just in the 1st season plus. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 17, 2015 12:17:23 GMT -5
I LOVED Night Court as a kid... it hasn't aged well, though. I find it holds up great. Maybe you're thinking of Knight Rider...Maybe I just caught a bad episode.. I'd like to think that. I kinda missed Knight Rider... when it was new I was too little to stay up for it, and by the time it got to syndication I was too old to not think it was ridiculous  |
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 17, 2015 19:51:56 GMT -5
I find it holds up great. Maybe you're thinking of Knight Rider...Maybe I just caught a bad episode.. I'd like to think that. I kinda missed Knight Rider... when it was new I was too little to stay up for it, and by the time it got to syndication I was too old to not think it was ridiculous Still better than Knight Boat..."There's always a fjord!" |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 17, 2015 22:12:42 GMT -5
LOL!
Ep. 6 Melora
A Starfleet Ensign from a low gravity world (who is, thus, handicapped and in a wheelchair), arrives on DS9 for some Gamma quadrant exploring. Bashir gushes over her a bit, but she's very grumpy.. of the stereotypical 'angry disabled' person type of angry, where she snaps at anyone who offers help, or is even polite.
Meanwhile, Quark seems to be selling a rare artifact to some alien guy, when another one comes into the bar, whom Quark seems to know from long ago. This 'old friend' informs Quark he's there to kill him.
Melora meets Sisko, and grumps at him, too.. she apparently doesn't want to have a co-pilot on a trip into the Gamma quadrant, and feels she's being discriminated against. Sisko explains it's not that she's handicapped, but that she's new, but she doesn't believe it.
Bashir tries to make friends with a visit to her quarters, and asks her out. He calls her out on being angry, and she softens a bit. They go to a Klingon restaurant... turns out Melora knows all about it, and out-Klingons Bashir, but he seems pretty happy with it.
Quark tries to buy off his 'friend' with dinner and girls.. he's not really having it, though.
The next morning, Melora hurts herself trying to get something for the mission, and has to have Dax save her. Bashir continues to work on her as he patches her up, and gets an invite to her quarters with the gravity off.
Bashir stumbles about in the low gravity, and they get... close.
The mission goes off the next day, and Melora suddenly is Dax's best buddy, and they chat about Bashir.
When she gets back, Bashir has figured out how to get her out of the chair and make her able to operate in 'normal' gravity. Of course, he tries it immediately, without a second opinion, research, or testing... and it seems to work, for a minute or two.
Quark goes to Odo about the death threat... apparently the guy took the fall for him and spent 8 years in a Romulan prison. Odo, slightly reluctantly, gives the guy a warning. He finds the guy in his quarters, and offers him the huge sum of money he's getting from the deal was completing earlier.
Melora has second thoughts, since she can't do low gravity and regular both, and misses the gymnastics. Dax tells her the story of the little Mermaid, which doesn't really help.
The two stories merge when Quark's friend kills the guy steals everything, and takes Dax and Melora hostage. He blasts Melora and demands to be let go. Sisko quickly follows with Bashir and O'Brien in the other Runabout.
Melora, who's not dead yet, shuts the gravity off and saves the day. Naturally, she decides not to continue with the treatment. She's learned a good lesson, so she'll be herself, and not be so grumpy when people want to help her.
-- Ugh... talk about heavy handed.
-- So we're back to the old Bashir this episode... though not quite as vapid as before.
-- I wonder is Bashir is contractually obligated to have dinner scenes every so many episodes? They certainly all seem rather similar.
-- Shouldn't all Starfleet personnel have some sort of minor anti-gravity/low gravity training? He asks as if it's a totally foreign idea. Especially since he build the room, you'd think he'd have tested it if nothing else.
-- Ironically, based on our last conversation, the actress who play Melora was actually in an episode on Knight Rider in 1985.
-- Funny how Bashir can solve any medical problem... ever, in an afternoon (at least he thins he can)
-- Dax does pretty good as 'everyones girlfriend'... that's pretty much the extent of her acting, it seems.
-- They sure as heck better follow up on the fact that Bashir just managed to make someone impervious to a phaser... kinda important, don't you think? I mean, that's like the Trek equivalent of the Super Soldier Serum.
I feel like this episode should have been in the 1st season.. it typified everything that's medicore about the series.
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