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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 16, 2023 9:06:49 GMT -5
These posts have got me thinking: how did Hasbro feel about Sarge’s heel turn and alliance with General Adnan? I know wrestling is fictional - and neither fish nor fowl - but part of me wonders if Hasbro didn’t appreciate “one of their own” turning heel… I'm not sure if he was on their payroll, at that point. I can't find a reference; but, I think the deal was over, by the time of his return to the WWE (probably part of the reason he returned). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 9:08:45 GMT -5
He didn’t return to the WWE in 1990 because WWE didn’t exist until 2002.  (Sorry, codystarbuck, love ya and bless ya, but I have a confession: I am on a lifelong quest to preserve/protect the legacy of the WWF acronym) |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 16, 2023 9:21:42 GMT -5
He didn’t return to the WWE in 1990 because WWE didn’t exist until 2002. (Sorry, codystarbuck , love ya and bless ya, but I have a confession: I am on a lifelong quest to preserve/protect the legacy of the WWF acronym) I have no loyalty to Vince McMahon and don't care what it is called. So, sorry; but, I'm not gonna spend time editing to make sure I use the right initials. Some windmills aren't worth tilting. Good luck with your quest.  |
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Post by foxley on Jun 16, 2023 9:40:42 GMT -5
He didn’t return to the WWE in 1990 because WWE didn’t exist until 2002. (Sorry, codystarbuck , love ya and bless ya, but I have a confession: I am on a lifelong quest to preserve/protect the legacy of the WWF acronym) Many people love the World Wildlife Fund. It's probably the pandas.  |
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Post by jason on Jun 16, 2023 11:50:12 GMT -5
As for this thread, I'm enjoying it, but I'm not going to contribute much until we get to issue #10 when things really get going for this comic.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 16, 2023 20:06:56 GMT -5
As for this thread, I'm enjoying it, but I'm not going to contribute much until we get to issue #10 when things really get going for this comic. Patience youngster, we gotta work up to the big yarns. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 16, 2023 22:01:04 GMT -5
Speaking of which..... GI Joe #5 The muggers have gotten really bad, in Central Park! Cobra has the least ergonomic weapons in history. Roll Call: Larry Hama-writer, Don Perlin-pencils, Joe D'Agostino & mike Esposito-inks, Jim Novak-letters, Stan Goldberg-colors, Tom DeFalco-editor, Jim Shooter-on KP Mission Report: Steeler, Clutch and Breaker are busy sprucing up the MOBAT for the Armed forces Day Parade, while Scarlett supervises. She is less than impressed with tanks and the boys try to change her mind, while she cracks lame jokes.....  The tank is being displayed, despite being top secret, to allay fears about its use in sensitive missions, to demonstrate that it looks like just another tank. Hawk has sent a memo via Army courier, for security reasons, to cover their butts for slipping the tank into a public parade. We cut to the courier, going from New York to Washington. he passes through airport screening and the x-ray film is controlled by a Cobra network, who pass it on to their superiors. They read the memo about the MOBAT being in the parade and Cobra Commander is alerted. Cobra sends its own courier, via underground passages, to their New York base and speakeasy...  Cobra Commander is busy shooting at target mock-ups of the JOEs with what looks like the schnellfeuer Mauser 1932 , when the courier delivers the news about the MOBAT. CC is pretty darn excited. On parade day, the brass are situated in the reviewing stand, with Mayor Koch. The tank finds itself situated between a marching band and a float, dedicated to the USS Nautilus and its Arctic adventures. Steeler is busy misusing military equipment, in a time honored military tradition....  The police hold up the parade (WHaaa  ?!!! ?) to let cross traffic through and the marching band's banner carriers suddenly screen in the MOBAT. Then, doors open up on the Nautilus flaot, like the bow of an LST and it starts to scoop up the tank, like Stromberg's oil tanker, in The Spy Who Loved Me....  Steeler tells Clutch to hit the gas and they take off down the street, while the marching band breaks open a bass drum and pulls out weaponry. They fan out to locate and attack the tank. The JOEs are held up by traffic and surly cabbies, allowing Cobra to catch up. Clutch pivots right and heads for the sidewalk, while Braker uses the loudspeaker system to tell civilians to gangway. The turn up Madison avenue and Cobra loses sight and then goes on the hunt. They run past a construction site and we then see the MOBAT pull out from behind the heavy machinery. Breaker gloms onto the fact that the radio rig they saw being used to contact Cobra Commander is a short range set, so the head snake is nearby. They decide to try to lure him out. They g into Central Park and disappear into the lake. Cobra goes hunting and JOE pops out of the water and surprises them...  CC yells at the grunts to turn back and open fire with rockets and they take aim, when a loud "boom" from the tank makes them sh........uh, pump bilges, into their trousers and run. Steeler calls out for them to halt and trains the tanks machine gun on the group and they surrender like the Belgians (France is too cliched). The JOEs disarm them and march them up the street, at cannon-point. Clutch picks up a lot of electronic signals and they home in on it which leads them ro the reviewing stand. They make like the Delta boys... and ram the reviewing stand.  They smash into the Cobra command center and the snakes head in all directions. General Flagg goes to secure Cobra Commander and the Baroness, but they hide in the middle of a Girl Scout Troop. The Girl Scouts hit them with Thin Mints and Peanut Butter Patties and they escape, after grazing Flagg's temple, when he takes aim, but hesitates, because of the cookie vendors. Flagg gets patched up and asks how they fired a round, when they weren't supposed to be carrying ammo and Clutch and Breaker demonstrate.....  Analysis: Pretty dopey story and I have a sneaking suspicion that Larry Hama had just watched Animal House, on HBO (or Cinemax). The only thing missing was Bluto, in pirate gear, as Neidermeyer would deifintely be a Cobra officer, possibly even Cobra Commander. Does that make Twisted Sister part of the JOE team? Ugliest drag performers I ever saw! The MOBAT is based on the M-1 Abrams tank, which did include all kinds of sensor packages, a computer fire control system, laser rangefinders, thermal scopes and extra-large cupholders. A spoiler is an optional extra, with the sport package. The letters page has people raving about issue #2, though there are a couple of complaints about losing the higher quality paper from issue #1 and using newsprint. Someone mentions the comic book commercial. Not much else to cover, really. Okay issue, lots of humor attempts that fall flat, for me, but kids may have liked them. The plot has more in common with one of the random cartoon episodes than the bulk of the series. They can't all be winners. Next up, the JOEs head to Afghanistan and run into their Commie counterparts. YO, JOE-SEF STALIN! |
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Post by zaku on Jun 17, 2023 1:08:39 GMT -5
I've never read the Gi Joe comic, so I'm reading your reviews with great interest - it seems like it was better than I imagined.
I've only seen the cartoon and even as a kid I found it vaguely offensive: all those shots fired and no one died. It seemed to me that it trivialized violence (At least in Japanese anime people died as a result of violence). And all those American flags on display didn't help...
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Post by foxley on Jun 17, 2023 7:18:55 GMT -5
On a side note, what is this obsession Americans have with parades?
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 17, 2023 7:27:00 GMT -5
I've never read the Gi Joe comic, so I'm reading your reviews with great interest - it seems like it was better than I imagined. I've only seen the cartoon and even as a kid I found it vaguely offensive: all those shots fired and no one died. It seemed to me that it trivialized violence (At least in Japanese anime people died as a result of violence). And all those American flags on display didn't help... I found it to be an insult to the American military tradition of marksmanship, like Sgt Alvin York, Shifty Powers of Easy Company and Little Sure Shot, also of a different Easy Company. Those fools couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, with the muzzle of their rifle pressed against it! Cobra was even worse. Seriously, US cartoons were not allowed to show death and killing and anything that blew up had to be shown to be mechanical, with no living thing on board. When Gatchaman, a very violent Japanese animated series, was distributed in the US, by Sandy Frank, as Battle of the Planets, it had the actual killing removed and narration stated that any plane that blew up was robot controlled. The JOEs and Cobra always parachuted to safety if their aircraft was hit, the "lasers" never hit anyone......no wounded, no KIA. Did they even have a medic? I doubt they even needed "short arm" inspection. I grew up with Jonny Quest and the Filmation Adv of Batman, where people got punched and kicked and shot & killed. You understood that guns were dangerous, that people die, and that Robin could actually deck someone. Then, the watchdogs came out of their kennels. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 17, 2023 7:37:10 GMT -5
On a side note, what is this obsession Americans have with parades? A lot of it has to do with with seeing something like this..... However, it is mostly that it was a chance to through a party...usually a victory party! Plus, John Phillips Sousa..... "Oh be kind to your web-footed friends, for they may be somebody's mother........" |
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Post by jason on Jun 17, 2023 8:35:45 GMT -5
I've never read the Gi Joe comic, so I'm reading your reviews with great interest - it seems like it was better than I imagined. I've only seen the cartoon and even as a kid I found it vaguely offensive: all those shots fired and no one died. It seemed to me that it trivialized violence (At least in Japanese anime people died as a result of violence). And all those American flags on display didn't help... I found it to be an insult to the American military tradition of marksmanship, like Sgt Alvin York, Shifty Powers of Easy Company and Little Sure Shot, also of a different Easy Company. Those fools couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, with the muzzle of their rifle pressed against it! Cobra was even worse. Seriously, US cartoons were not allowed to show death and killing and anything that blew up had to be shown to be mechanical, with no living thing on board. When Gatchaman, a very violent Japanese animated series, was distributed in the US, by Sandy Frank, as Battle of the Planets, it had the actual killing removed and narration stated that any plane that blew up was robot controlled. The JOEs and Cobra always parachuted to safety if their aircraft was hit, the "lasers" never hit anyone......no wounded, no KIA. Did they even have a medic? I doubt they even needed "short arm" inspection. I grew up with Jonny Quest and the Filmation Adv of Batman, where people got punched and kicked and shot & killed. You understood that guns were dangerous, that people die, and that Robin could actually deck someone. Then, the watchdogs came out of their kennels. The censorship on Dragon Ball Z's early episodes was even worse. At one point, after the characters Vegeta and Nappa came to Earth, they blew up several buildings. The US dub then added a line saying "Too bad it was Sunday and there was nobody in those buildings". Still, as it pertains to GI Joe, the cartoon at least had a few things that had it stand out. They did one episode actually dealing with collateral damage (A suburban house was destroyed in a Joe/Cobra battle, though still no causalities), one character was explicitly a Vietnam veteran (Mainframe), and they did an episode where Low-Light had to deal with his abusive childhood. Of course, you still had silliness with time travel and aliens and such, but that was par for the course with cartoons of the time. |
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Post by zaku on Jun 17, 2023 8:47:50 GMT -5
I've never read the Gi Joe comic, so I'm reading your reviews with great interest - it seems like it was better than I imagined. I've only seen the cartoon and even as a kid I found it vaguely offensive: all those shots fired and no one died. It seemed to me that it trivialized violence (At least in Japanese anime people died as a result of violence). And all those American flags on display didn't help... I found it to be an insult to the American military tradition of marksmanship, like Sgt Alvin York, Shifty Powers of Easy Company and Little Sure Shot, also of a different Easy Company. Those fools couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, with the muzzle of their rifle pressed against it! Cobra was even worse. Seriously, US cartoons were not allowed to show death and killing and anything that blew up had to be shown to be mechanical, with no living thing on board. When Gatchaman, a very violent Japanese animated series, was distributed in the US, by Sandy Frank, as Battle of the Planets, it had the actual killing removed and narration stated that any plane that blew up was robot controlled. The JOEs and Cobra always parachuted to safety if their aircraft was hit, the "lasers" never hit anyone......no wounded, no KIA. Did they even have a medic? I doubt they even needed "short arm" inspection. I grew up with Jonny Quest and the Filmation Adv of Batman, where people got punched and kicked and shot & killed. You understood that guns were dangerous, that people die, and that Robin could actually deck someone. Then, the watchdogs came out of their kennels. A few years ago they did a, well, more realistic version of GI Joe that made me realize that, in addition to the reasons you listed, the reason everyone stayed alive was because otherwise it would have been hard for the dead character toys to sell. It's a carnage of good and bad guys!  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 17, 2023 17:38:52 GMT -5
I found it to be an insult to the American military tradition of marksmanship, like Sgt Alvin York, Shifty Powers of Easy Company and Little Sure Shot, also of a different Easy Company. Those fools couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, with the muzzle of their rifle pressed against it! Cobra was even worse. Seriously, US cartoons were not allowed to show death and killing and anything that blew up had to be shown to be mechanical, with no living thing on board. When Gatchaman, a very violent Japanese animated series, was distributed in the US, by Sandy Frank, as Battle of the Planets, it had the actual killing removed and narration stated that any plane that blew up was robot controlled. The JOEs and Cobra always parachuted to safety if their aircraft was hit, the "lasers" never hit anyone......no wounded, no KIA. Did they even have a medic? I doubt they even needed "short arm" inspection. I grew up with Jonny Quest and the Filmation Adv of Batman, where people got punched and kicked and shot & killed. You understood that guns were dangerous, that people die, and that Robin could actually deck someone. Then, the watchdogs came out of their kennels. A few years ago they did a, well, more realistic version of GI Joe that made me realize that, in addition to the reasons you listed, the reason everyone stayed alive was because otherwise it would have been hard for the dead character toys to sell. It's a carnage of good and bad guys! Well, Grunt might as well have a bullseye painted on him. A name like that is just asking for a bodybag to be on standby. Could have been worse, though; he could have been called Cannon-Fodder! |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 17, 2023 17:51:24 GMT -5
I found it to be an insult to the American military tradition of marksmanship, like Sgt Alvin York, Shifty Powers of Easy Company and Little Sure Shot, also of a different Easy Company. Those fools couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, with the muzzle of their rifle pressed against it! Cobra was even worse. Seriously, US cartoons were not allowed to show death and killing and anything that blew up had to be shown to be mechanical, with no living thing on board. When Gatchaman, a very violent Japanese animated series, was distributed in the US, by Sandy Frank, as Battle of the Planets, it had the actual killing removed and narration stated that any plane that blew up was robot controlled. The JOEs and Cobra always parachuted to safety if their aircraft was hit, the "lasers" never hit anyone......no wounded, no KIA. Did they even have a medic? I doubt they even needed "short arm" inspection. I grew up with Jonny Quest and the Filmation Adv of Batman, where people got punched and kicked and shot & killed. You understood that guns were dangerous, that people die, and that Robin could actually deck someone. Then, the watchdogs came out of their kennels. The censorship on Dragon Ball Z's early episodes was even worse. At one point, after the characters Vegeta and Nappa came to Earth, they blew up several buildings. The US dub then added a line saying "Too bad it was Sunday and there was nobody in those buildings". Still, as it pertains to GI Joe, the cartoon at least had a few things that had it stand out. They did one episode actually dealing with collateral damage (A suburban house was destroyed in a Joe/Cobra battle, though still no causalities), one character was explicitly a Vietnam veteran (Mainframe), and they did an episode where Low-Light had to deal with his abusive childhood. Of course, you still had silliness with time travel and aliens and such, but that was par for the course with cartoons of the time. I was born in 1966; so, I was just able to see the end of pre-Network revised standards and see things get watered down. Jonny Quest and Batman were in re-runs, untouched. Weekday mornings, I could see Underdog punching Riff-Raff and Simon Bar Sinister and Rocky & Bullwinkle side-stepping Boris & Natasha's deathtraps. Scooby Doo had a little bit of danger. Then within a year or two, nobody could lay hands on another (well, nearly) villains were always ensnared in nets, caught in boxes, lassoed or what have you, and laugh tracks were abundant. Thank Freleng that the Bugs Bunny/Road Runner Show didn't get heavy censorship, for several more years. I once was up early, home from college and turned on the Saturday morning Looney Tunes show and they had one of the Duck Season/Rabbit Season trilogy, with every single gunblast cut out. It was ridiculous! You had the set up and you had the aftermath, but no punch line. What's the point? It didn't matter that at least 2 generations had come of age with these cartoons and hadn't turned into anvil bludgeoners or run people down with steam rollers. I could still see hookers, gunshots, fights and all kinds of violence in prime time, even at the earliest hour; so why the need for the heavy hand? It wasn't even legislated; the networks did it to themselves. Then, there was the educational mandate, which made everything preachy. The Super Friends only fought misguided people who were trying to help the Earth deal with environmental and social problems, but never went through the "proper authorities." I always wondered who the "proper authorities" were, as a kid. It never gets explained. Man was I happy when Challenge of the Superfriends gave us real villains: cold-hearted, cackling, evil villains, who wanted pants! Thankfully, Schoolhouse Rock proved that education could be catchy and entertaining and actually teach! |
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