shaxper
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2014 15:10:13 GMT -5
I guess I'd ask, if I concede that Superman is boring on paper but I do enjoy some stories, does he fit the criteria for a boring character? I think that's exactly what DC was admitting when they tried to de-power him Post Crisis. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 16, 2014 15:18:21 GMT -5
Wolverine, because no matter how much convoluted backstory Marvel has given him over the years, he's nothing more than a one-note thug, albeit one with a healing factor and claws. He used to be interesting, though, in the late 70s and early 80s. He was an uncouth thug and sort of enjoyed it, but also knew how limited he was and aspired to more. We saw him grow little by little over the years, striving to be more of a samurai and less of a brute. Then came the horrible idea of memory implants and fake identities, a healing factor cranked up to an insane level, and an overexposure that would make anyone boring. What a waste. For Wolvie, I think the shark was jumped when he went back to his yellow duds. The PTB seem to have decided that a large part of what had made him interesting initially was that we had known very little about him (which is true), and decided to make all the things we had learned and all the growth he had experienced be nothing but a fantasy. He was essentially soft-rebooted. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 16, 2014 15:28:57 GMT -5
I will defend Hal Jordan and Barry Allen till my dying day.  |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2014 15:29:55 GMT -5
Wolverine, because no matter how much convoluted backstory Marvel has given him over the years, he's nothing more than a one-note thug, albeit one with a healing factor and claws. He used to be interesting, though, in the late 70s and early 80s. He was an uncouth thug and sort of enjoyed it, but also knew how limited he was and aspired to more. We saw him grow little by little over the years, striving to be more of a samurai and less of a brute. Then came the horrible idea of memory implants and fake identities, a healing factor cranked up to an insane level, and an overexposure that would make anyone boring. What a waste. For Wolvie, I think the shark was jumped when he went back to his yellow duds. The PTB seem to have decided that a large part of what had made him interesting initially was that we had known very little about him (which is true), and decided to make all the things we had learned and all the growth he had experienced be nothing but a fantasy. He was essentially soft-rebooted. I think the biggest problem was that they boxed Claremont out of Wolverine, adding all sorts of new nonsense to his back story with both Weapon X and later Origin that didn't jibe with what Claremont had planned for the character. Additionally, Claremont initially hated Wolverine for all the right reasons and, only after working with Frank Miller, began to see something likable in the character worth exploring. Later folks were too quick to admire Wolverine's berserker side or make the compassionate side overly accessible. They missed the balance. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 16, 2014 15:37:09 GMT -5
He used to be interesting, though, in the late 70s and early 80s. He was an uncouth thug and sort of enjoyed it, but also knew how limited he was and aspired to more. We saw him grow little by little over the years, striving to be more of a samurai and less of a brute. Then came the horrible idea of memory implants and fake identities, a healing factor cranked up to an insane level, and an overexposure that would make anyone boring. What a waste. For Wolvie, I think the shark was jumped when he went back to his yellow duds. The PTB seem to have decided that a large part of what had made him interesting initially was that we had known very little about him (which is true), and decided to make all the things we had learned and all the growth he had experienced be nothing but a fantasy. He was essentially soft-rebooted. I think the biggest problem was that they boxed Claremont out of Wolverine, adding all sorts of new nonsense to his back story with both Weapon X and later Origin that didn't jibe with what Claremont had planned for the character. Additionally, Claremont initially hated Wolverine for all the right reasons and, only after working with Frank Miller, began to see something likable in the character worth exploring. Later folks were too quick to admire Wolverine's berserker side or make the compassionate side overly accessible. They missed the balance. Spot on. |
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 16, 2014 15:41:04 GMT -5
Gotta agree with  though I'm hoping that'll change, cause Vision is one of my favorites. Was really pumped for  but she's nothing more than a plot device with zero personality and no direction for her. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 16, 2014 16:00:31 GMT -5
Superman. Next question.
I have no idea who that second person in Hondo's post is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 16:06:42 GMT -5
I think that's a character from the New 52 named Pandora?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 16, 2014 16:10:30 GMT -5
I thought it was the generic ninja babe from Wildcats. But then I read that title for just the time to realize how utterly bad it was: one issue.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 16, 2014 16:11:35 GMT -5
Doomsday. What prize do I get for having the right answer?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 16, 2014 16:14:40 GMT -5
Boring are the characters created for one purpose only and never developed beyond that
DC's Dr. Terrence Thirteen comes to mind, a man who will never believe in magic or the supernatural
In a world inhabited by The Phantom Stranger,Zantanna,Dr Fate,Spectre,Swampthing,hundreds of alien species,talking animals,time travellers and Jimmy Olsen, this guy is boring and unbelievably stupid
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 16, 2014 16:15:32 GMT -5
Doomsday. What prize do I get for having the right answer? Ha, except everyone in the DC universe is afraid of him. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 16, 2014 16:18:43 GMT -5
Doomsday. What prize do I get for having the right answer? Ha, except everyone in the DC universe is afraid of him. They're afraid he's going to bore them to death. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 16, 2014 16:23:42 GMT -5
Ha, except everyone in the DC universe is afraid of him. They're afraid he's going to bore them to death. Guy Gardner didn't look bored, his face looked like hamburger after mixing it up with him. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 17:40:24 GMT -5
Doomsday. What prize do I get for having the right answer? Ha, except everyone in the DC universe is afraid of him. Everyone fears plot puppets created by editorial just to kill characters/tentpole events and drive sales. They know it means the end of thoughtful meaningful stories told about them and damns them to an eternal cycle of sameness and perpetual illusion of change without anything interesting or lasting ever happening to them again. Doomsday is simply the biggest poster child of those plot puppets. -M |
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