Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Nov 16, 2014 20:13:46 GMT -5
Let's be honest: Nightowl, the second Silk Spectre, and Dr. Manhattan are all pretty boring characters. I totally disagree with this statement, but isn't Nite-Owl being a bit boring in his civilian identity kinda part of what makes him an interesting, three-dimensional character?
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2014 20:15:34 GMT -5
Let's be honest: Nightowl, the second Silk Spectre, and Dr. Manhattan are all pretty boring characters. I totally disagree with this statement, but isn't Nite-Owl being a bit boring in his civilian identity kinda part of what makes him an interesting, three-dimensional character? I suppose the inevitable crux of this entire thread is that "boring" is subjective. In that sense, no, I didn't find him to be an interesting three-dimensional character, but my initial statement was clearly inaccurate as he was interesting to you.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Nov 16, 2014 20:25:50 GMT -5
Superman is boring to me. Not enough human connection to him, plus his abilities have no limits. I just have never been able to enjoy a story with him in it (at least, him as the main character). I have not read many but the ones I have read have done nothing for me so I steered clear.
Green Lantern also bores me. Ditto for Aquaman. Over at Marvel, I would have to say that the Hulk is the most boring for me. Hulk smash. Again, I am more about him if he is making a cameo or appears for part of a story.
I will agree that Human Torch is a pretty boring character. Never really changes. I also find war comics very hit and miss. I like offbeat tales, like Weird War and anything with the Haunted Tank or Unknown Soldier sits well with me. But Sgt. Fury and Sgt. Rock can get a little boring, story wise. Artwork is always pretty stellar though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 20:30:10 GMT -5
I suppose the inevitable crux of this entire thread is that "boring" is subjective. Agreed. One person's boring is another person's pull-list. And I love Supes....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 20:33:18 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Watchmen, either. Read it again. You can't be the second of the three people in the world who didn't like Watchmen. I mean...you just can't. Please, for the love of God, read it again and change your mind. Perhaps I will. Fun fact: I haven't read the prose sections of Watchmen.
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 16, 2014 20:37:38 GMT -5
Dick Grayson. There I've said it. New series has shown some new life for a dog that should have been put down years ago.
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 16, 2014 20:40:03 GMT -5
Back on topic, not a specific character but I find war comics really boring. Have you tried Charley's War? It's many things, but boring is not one of them.
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 16, 2014 20:41:20 GMT -5
Watchmen. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz *runs screaming from hail of tomatoes*No, I can see that. I find the craft elements far more interesting than the story at this point.
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Post by Randle-El on Nov 16, 2014 21:11:44 GMT -5
Am I going to be the first person to nominate the Punisher?
Part of the appeal of superheroes is that they fight the bad guys using means unavailable to ordinary people -- super powers, hi-tech gadgets, advanced suits of armor, magic trinkets, etc. etc.
Punisher fights crime with.... guns. Lots of guns.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Nov 16, 2014 21:12:42 GMT -5
Superman.
Not all Supermen, since I love the scrappy left-wing radical vigilante of the Golden Age, but for some reason the powers that be decided to do two awful things to the character: Make him ridiculously powerful to the point of being a living God and reduce his characterization to Ward Cleaver in a cape. The second point is what I truly take issue with. I'm fine with Superman being omnipotent if he's doing something interesting (All-Star Superman comes to mind) but turning him into the ultimate paternalistic figure just sucked the life out of him.
John Byrne took it to a point that actually went past merely boring me and actually made me oppose the character, when he saved a woman from a mugger then turned down her radio and gave her a condescending speech about noise pollution. It's only one of two times where I have sided against Superman (the other being TDKR, which says a lot). Thats the sort of dickish behaviour that makes my skin crawl and I was disappointed that the character didn't say "**** you" and turn her radio back up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 21:16:04 GMT -5
Am I going to be the first person to nominate the Punisher? Part of the appeal of superheroes is that they fight the bad guys using means unavailable to ordinary people -- super powers, hi-tech gadgets, advanced suits of armor, magic trinkets, etc. etc. Punisher fights crime with.... guns. Lots of guns. Which is why I adore him. *bang bang*
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2014 21:20:02 GMT -5
The Punisher is essentially the dime novel hero Mac Bolan with a skull on his shirt. Nothing wrong with the character. He had plenty of readers. But the character Gerry Conway inserted into a Spider-man story was nothing original nor praise worthy in its own right. And incidentally, poor Gerry Conway. His two best known creations (Punisher and Firestorm) both made this thread
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 21:31:35 GMT -5
Am I going to be the first person to nominate the Punisher? Part of the appeal of superheroes is that they fight the bad guys using means unavailable to ordinary people -- super powers, hi-tech gadgets, advanced suits of armor, magic trinkets, etc. etc. Punisher fights crime with.... guns. Lots of guns. Which is why I adore him. *bang bang* I like the Punisher a lot better as a foil than as a protagonist. If he is the protagonist I think it takes an artist (not writer) who is a master visual storyteller to keep him from being boring because the type of fast paced action associated with that genre of fiction is very difficult to capture and convey in static art. There is a lag time between gun fired and victim hit when depicted in panels that kills the immediacy and impact of that type of gunplay action (which might be why some find war comics dull too except those by masters of that form like Kubert), making the story seem slow and dull to me. Also a lot of what makes the story interesting is the conflict that drives it, the differences between the heroes and villains, and as I have stated before I don't see much of those differences between Castle and his antagonists in a lot of the stories I have read, so I don't find the conflict driving the story to be very captivating either. So less skilled action sequences and uninteresting conflict leads me to find most of the Punisher led stories dull. However that nature of Castle contrasted with more typical super-heroes makes the conflict driving stories where he is the foil for those characters much more interesting to me. And for me there are few heroes that are inherently boring, since it is the conflict that drives the story that makes them interesting and that comes down to the storytellers not the characters. That said, there are more villains I find boring than heroes because they don't really provide interesting conflicts for the heroes they face because they don't engage the hero on multiple levels (one note punching bag villains take notice here), and heroes with boring rogues galleries are more likely to have what I consider boring stories told with them because of the lack of interest in the conflict in the story. That's why I find villains that couple an inner conflict or turmoil with the conflict they provide to the protagonists to be more interesting (and why I don't find Thanos to be boring but Doomsday to be as boring as watching paint dry). -M
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 16, 2014 21:37:42 GMT -5
Am I going to be the first person to nominate the Punisher? Part of the appeal of superheroes is that they fight the bad guys using means unavailable to ordinary people -- super powers, hi-tech gadgets, advanced suits of armor, magic trinkets, etc. etc. Punisher fights crime with.... guns. Lots of guns. No, I find the Punisher as a concept boring, too. But because the premise is so simple and the character so blank, you can use him to tell some great stories. I'm thinking Ennis, Baron, Grant... they kinda accepted the thin premise and ran wild with it.
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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 16, 2014 21:58:32 GMT -5
Like mrp said so eloquently, I find the Punisher much better as a foil for a protagonist than as a protagonist in his own right. He's too much of a murderous asshole for me to find him enjoyable to read on his own.
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