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Post by driver1980 on Nov 1, 2023 13:56:56 GMT -5
Years ago, a magazine editor, who edited a magazine about coins, talked about how he much preferred to have physical copies of back issues to hand, rather than digitally. Among other things, he mentioned convenience, seeing things directly, etc.
Out of sight, out of mind is a phrase I think of when I consider the digital books and comics I own.
You see, there is something tangible about physical products, it’s almost like you think about them because you see them on your shelves, while digital copies seem to “exist in another world”.
I mean, in my apartment, I can tell you that one bookshelf has, among other things, The Death of WCW, Doctor Who and the Robots of Death, The Science of Supervillains, and The Rats. I see them and know them. Another shelf, the one for graphic novels and trades, has, among other things, Man of Steel, Charley’s War Vol. 1, The Untold Legend of the Batman, and Planet Hulk. I typed that from memory.
However, could I tell you what is on my Kindle? To a certain extent, yes, I can. However, I have almost bought the same title twice. Sometimes I’ll look at my Kindle library and think, ‘Now, hang on, I don’t remember buying that book.’ It’s almost like anything that is in digital “exists outside this universe” and becomes as forgotten as that old camera you have shoved in a box in the attic.
Psychologically, I’d like to know what that is. It’s a mystery. Maybe one remembers the physical books because a) you held a physical book, and b) they catch your eye now and again, whereas 300 eBooks “hidden away” on a Kindle don’t resonate with you on a daily basis.
What do you think?
On a related note, it seems for all the reasons mentioned above, I am more inclined to revisit physical books. I mean, you’ll catch sight of the first volume of The Judge Dredd Case Files, and think, ‘I really should revisit that.’ However, an eBook “hidden away” on a Kindle isn’t going to catch your eye in the same way, not unless you physically take it out of the cupboard and browse the library.
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Post by MDG on Nov 1, 2023 14:06:04 GMT -5
Digital ain't goin' nowhere. I've read 500% more comics--things I hadn't read previously--since I got my Kindle than before, and probably more than half of that was stuff I might never have considered reading if it wasn't available quickly and easily (and usually free).
It goes back to: do you need to own everything you read for ever and ever? Do you have to have every book, movie, or record at your fingertips? It's nice, but there's always something else.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 1, 2023 14:16:48 GMT -5
What do you think? On a related note, it seems for all the reasons mentioned above, I am more inclined to revisit physical books. I mean, you’ll catch sight of the first volume of The Judge Dredd Case Files, and think, ‘I really should revisit that.’ However, an eBook “hidden away” on a Kindle isn’t going to catch your eye in the same way, not unless you physically take it out of the cupboard and browse the library. I'm almost completely the opposite. 90+% of the books and comics and trades that I own are buried in boxes or storage or just not remotely accessible without a ton of bother. So I'm far less likely to revisit them if I have to dig them out. As to DVD/videos...I'm not 100% sure that I know where the remote is for the blue-ray player. I do know that last Christmas we were going to watch Die Hard (as is tradtion). My youngest son dug out the DVD, but ultimately it was all such a hassle it was worth it to me to just rent it on Amazon Prime for $3 and avoid the pain. My time is worth way more than the small expense.
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Post by badwolf on Nov 1, 2023 16:15:49 GMT -5
I finally got into e-books a bit (reprints of my favorite author's old works were only coming out in e-book, so I didn't have much choice). But you can't read comics on an e-reader, unless it's a huge one and in colour, I guess. I have zero plans to get into e-comics. I don't buy mags any more, but there's nothing like sitting down with a nice physical collection.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 16:37:45 GMT -5
So how do digital-collectors show off their collections? Do they pull out their devices and see who has more DRM / DRM-Free content? Uh, way to go, whatever floats your iPad. Who would have guessed Chuckster doesn't need a warehouse to store 10 million back issues, he just needs a device with a lot of memory....
Don't get me wrong, I still consider digital a resource that's here to stay, I use it myself, as a tool. But it will never replace wallowing in a pile of this
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 16:48:44 GMT -5
Nostalgia plays a heavy part in many things I enjoy whether they be comic books or music or whatever.
The magic for me was a Spider-Man comic on the spinner rack when I was a kid, not a little digital screen to read. So having boxes filled with my favorite stuff in physical format is a pure joy. It makes the hobby fun. I have to think before buying something new, I have to prioritize what I spend my money on and whether something is really worth it. It's the thrill of the hunt...confound that last issue of a certain series I need that keeps eluding me, or that unobtainium wish list item I still hold out hope for someday. And the thrill of a box of comics showing up and actually sitting down and reading them because I was excited about my choices (and smelling that old paper, cause you've got to). And then cataloguing them for storage after that.
I remember growing up when people's homes had bookcases filled and racks of vinyl albums with cool stereos to play them on. Homes were "warmer" I think, being amongst the "stuff of life" was so joyous. Now I see the same sad flat TV's mounted on people's walls and I think...man, those old entertainment units were so cool. Got your stack of video tapes or DVD's, some video game stuff, place to stick some statues on top or whatever.
And yeah, I'm a DVD guy. The family loves streaming so I'm kind of alone in that, but I've got so much rare stuff that doesn't get streamed as well. I've got rare animation (man I love putting on the 60's Fantastic Four cartoon in the evening), rare concert footage, and a ton of 70's baseball and hockey game broadcasts I've accumulated over the years. Lots of old video game consoles and a massive library of games for them as well.
I don't want to have unlimited streaming options (of anything) to choose from, it's like a video game that's too easy. I would rather savor what I have, and keep the "grand hunt" going for what might get added next. So to the original question, yes, having physical copies of things does create that closer connection for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 17:44:22 GMT -5
Slabbed, so a digital copy makes for quick reference. As an aside, I have about 10 other copies of #1 but I like to leave those in the mylar and avoid touching the white areas of the cover
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Post by badwolf on Nov 1, 2023 18:10:30 GMT -5
I remember growing up when people's homes had bookcases filled and racks of vinyl albums with cool stereos to play them on. Homes were "warmer" I think, being amongst the "stuff of life" was so joyous. Absolutely.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 1, 2023 20:17:46 GMT -5
I don't know; I used to have bookshelves filled with graphic novels and trades and long boxes of comics and I now have an external harddrive, about the size of a compact hardcover dictionary, that has 10 times as many issues and books as I ever could have stored. I like print, but, not enough to sacrifice comfort and a bit of order.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 23:16:29 GMT -5
Reading physical copies is so much more satisfying than spending yet more time in front of a screen. My collection is small enough that it's all on bookshelves, so I don't have to worry about digging through boxes.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 2, 2023 2:09:16 GMT -5
I still like physical copies of books and comics. I find them much more pleasurable to read and handle than viewing a screen. But obviously digital is very popular for the reasons various people have outlined in the posts above. So, it's not going to be fleeting at all. Which isn't to say that it will drive physical books to extinction, but the two will co-exist for a long time yet.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 2, 2023 10:45:25 GMT -5
This is what I saw at Barnes & Noble, as digital played out in bookselling. You have a certain group of people who are drawn to new technology and will explore it and are more interested in the tech than the content. You have a certain set who love physical books and that physical connection to them, with the feel and the smells and the content. Then, you have those who like print copies, but like the convenience of digital, especially to sample new titles or authors, rather than committing to purchasing physical books they don't end up liking. Even though price might not be spectacularly different on a new release, it doesn't feel as bad as having bought the book and then not enjoy it and see it sit on the shelf for months, gathering dust, unwanted and unloved. They just delete it. Most people fell into that middle range, of preferring one option, but using the other for specific things. Some preferred digital, but wanted a physical copy for gifting, or because there was a special connection.
From an educational standpoint, digital was a boon. Kids who were intimidated by larger books, because of the page count took to reading digital better, since they only see the screen in front of them and focus on the page at hand, rather than the 327 pages to go. They could be "in the moment" while reading. Their reading skills and comprehension grew and they were more likely to read for pleasure than before. By the same token, comic books were a better early reading platform for kids, as the pictures reinforced and added detail and context to the words, helping the child to comprehend and follow the story better, especially when they had trouble with the language. That was lost when comic publishers started ignoring the child audience in favor of fans and collectors. They stopped producing comics for kids that helped them grow as readers and turn them into fans. So, comics went from being a mass medium to a niche product.
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Post by zaku on Nov 2, 2023 13:52:02 GMT -5
I suppose that the digital copy of comics is a very valuable tool for researchers and scholars of the genre. If I have to index the appearances of some obscure character, it would probably take me a fraction of the time to index that with digital versions compared to the physical counterparts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 14:22:35 GMT -5
I suppose that the digital copy of comics is a very valuable tool for researchers and scholars of the genre. If I have to index the appearances of some obscure character, it would probably take me a fraction of the time to index that with digital versions compared to the physical counterparts.
This. Plus I've bought hundreds of physical copies of comics after checking out their digital counterparts at my own leisure.
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Post by tarkintino on Nov 2, 2023 15:27:52 GMT -5
On a related note, it seems for all the reasons mentioned above, I am more inclined to revisit physical books. I mean, you’ll catch sight of the first volume of The Judge Dredd Case Files, and think, ‘I really should revisit that.’ However, an eBook “hidden away” on a Kindle isn’t going to catch your eye in the same way, not unless you physically take it out of the cupboard and browse the library. I agree; the printed page is part of the experience and personal legacy of being a comic book reader, and that essential feeling cannot be captured by a screen. I'm not saying I never read digital versions--I do--but that's limited to older titles I like, but have not placed on a priority list to own, but the experience cannot replace reading the physical copy. As to DVD/videos...I'm not 100% sure that I know where the remote is for the blue-ray player. I do know that last Christmas we were going to watch Die Hard (as is tradtion). My youngest son dug out the DVD, but ultimately it was all such a hassle it was worth it to me to just rent it on Amazon Prime for $3 and avoid the pain. My time is worth way more than the small expense. For me, streaming cannot replace physical media. the central reason is that most streaming services are never going to catalog / offer the innumerable films I enjoy / revisit, and few want to deal with the whims of services deciding what's "entertaining", "popular", what needs a "vacation" or any other category of judgement that may not appeal to me. There's a reason media distributors such as Criterion and Kino Lorber still flourish: they offer a wealth of content--both universally known and the obscure--to those with tastes which are rarely recognized by the major streaming services.
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