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Post by shaxper on Nov 30, 2023 19:08:13 GMT -5
Actually, since we're talking about rules, I don't think there's a rule that says participants *must* have 12 picks. You could probably just go with the ones you have. I'd be alright with a 8 Days of HannuaKomics If it involves Adam Sandler, I'm out. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 30, 2023 19:11:05 GMT -5
My long list of 21 selections is done. Now comes the whittling down.
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Post by commond on Nov 30, 2023 19:30:12 GMT -5
Another grey area question -- how about new characters like Speedball, for example, who made his debut in an Amazing Spider-Man annual before launching his solo title. Is that considered a legit spinoff or a marketing ploy?
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 30, 2023 19:38:31 GMT -5
Another grey area question -- how about new characters like Speedball, for example, who made his debut in an Amazing Spider-Man annual before launching his solo title. Is that considered a legit spinoff or a marketing ploy? I'm not a fan of mind reading. If his first appearance is a story not in a series about him, I consider it okay to use. Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeu) appeared in a Spider-man annual. I don't care what the intention for her was. It should count. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 30, 2023 19:53:33 GMT -5
Another grey area question -- how about new characters like Speedball, for example, who made his debut in an Amazing Spider-Man annual before launching his solo title. Is that considered a legit spinoff or a marketing ploy? I'm not a fan of mind reading. If his first appearance is a story not in a series about him, I consider it okay to use. Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeu) appeared in a Spider-man annual. I don't care what the intention for her was. It should count. Well, I think Kurt gets the final say on that. When I first suggested prohibiting intentional promotional guest appearances, my intent was appearances where a solo series had already been solicited or is widely known to have already been in the works. In my mind, if there's any doubt, it's eligible. But if the first issue launched a month or two later, I'd say that's pretty clear evidence that the guest appearance was promotional in nature. |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 30, 2023 20:28:47 GMT -5
I spent a couple of hours on my provisional list this evening, after some helpful clarification from Kurt, but think I'm gonna struggle to make 12. At present I have 5, maybe 6 entries. I guess I was relying on things like Jonah Hex and Herbie Popnecker counting, but I completely understand why they don't and am happy with that decision. Still, it's made it much harder to find examples that I'm actually familiar with; I guess I'm just not much of a spin-off reader.  |
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Post by DubipR on Nov 30, 2023 21:30:53 GMT -5
I spent a couple of hours on my provisional list this evening, after some helpful clarification from Kurt, but think I'm gonna struggle to make 12. At present I have 5, maybe 6 entries. I guess I was relying on things like Jonah Hex and Herbie Popnecker counting, but I completely understand why they don't and am happy with that decision. Still, it's made it much harder to find examples that I'm actually familiar with; I guess I'm just not much of a spin-off reader. Yeah, not having Jonah Hex was a big hurt on my list as well. I have a few grey-area ones as these were characters created for a marketing ploy in lieu of a major character's death. I think I have 12... so *shrugs* |
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Post by DubipR on Nov 30, 2023 21:32:39 GMT -5
I'd be alright with a 8 Days of HannuaKomics If it involves Adam Sandler, I'm out. Please, I like the Sandman but this is comics. All the good comic lansman will guide you; Eight of the greatest Jewish creators will tell you story of the history of comics and why we succeed in the genre. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 1, 2023 1:54:12 GMT -5
Another grey area question -- how about new characters like Speedball, for example, who made his debut in an Amazing Spider-Man annual before launching his solo title. Is that considered a legit spinoff or a marketing ploy? I'm not a fan of mind reading. If his first appearance is a story not in a series about him, I consider it okay to use. Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeu) appeared in a Spider-man annual. I don't care what the intention for her was. It should count. I agree in both cases.
Cei-U! I summon the affirmation!
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 1, 2023 3:29:25 GMT -5
I think this probably answers my question too: I take it that Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD would not count as a spin-off of Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos?
edit: wait, perhaps it could, if the Howling Commandos counts as a team rather than a solo book?
Actually, because it's not just more of the same, I consider the Fury SHIELD series a legitimate spin-off (since it's one of my twelve, I kinda have to).
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And no, Slam, Popeye is not eligible.
Huh. I had not thought of Nick Fury as counting, since he was the lead in both features. This may change my thinking and my list. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 1, 2023 4:04:27 GMT -5
Actually, given some of these latest refinements of the rules, I'm starting to doubt if one of my top picks - which Cei-U! o.k.-ed in a pm - would count, so I'll throw it out to everyone: do the various Grendel Tales mini-series count as spin-offs? To me the answer was obvious, but now I'm not so sure... |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 1, 2023 5:55:49 GMT -5
I've come to dislike the term " marketing ploy" . Every first appearance as a supporting character in a book not your own should count. I have a Valiant character that I want to use and it shouldn't matter if you think they were setting them up for a solo title.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 1, 2023 6:04:02 GMT -5
I spent a couple of hours on my provisional list this evening, after some helpful clarification from Kurt, but think I'm gonna struggle to make 12. At present I have 5, maybe 6 entries. I guess I was relying on things like Jonah Hex and Herbie Popnecker counting, but I completely understand why they don't and am happy with that decision. Still, it's made it much harder to find examples that I'm actually familiar with; I guess I'm just not much of a spin-off reader. Yeah, not having Jonah Hex was a big hurt on my list as well. I have a few grey-area ones as these were characters created for a marketing ploy in lieu of a major character's death. I think I have 12... so *shrugs* I don't understand why Jonah Hex should count . His first appearance was a solo story about him . It wasn't a story about an established character where he gets introduced. He was the headliner of the story. Maybe the confusion is that he first appeared in an anthology title ? |
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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 1, 2023 6:08:33 GMT -5
Superboy sure feels like a "spin-off", but if King Conan doesn't count as a spin-off from Conan, than I suppose for the purposes of this Christmas, Superboy isn't a spin-off of Superman. As long as we're playing by the same rulebook, that's fine by me, but for the record, he probably would have made my list going by my own instinctive definitions of the term.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 1, 2023 6:26:53 GMT -5
Yeah, not having Jonah Hex was a big hurt on my list as well. I have a few grey-area ones as these were characters created for a marketing ploy in lieu of a major character's death. I think I have 12... so *shrugs* I don't understand why Jonah Hex should count . His first appearance was a solo story about him . It wasn't a story about an established character where he gets introduced. He was the headliner of the story. Maybe the confusion is that he first appeared in an anthology title ? Yes, now that I'm clearer on the rules, I agree. I'm not questioning the rules, I'm full on board with them, but I had misinterpreted them initially. |
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