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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 14, 2023 7:49:38 GMT -5
#12: Doctor Spektor
My start in comics reading started with pawing through my father's collection which was mostly Batman but also included a ton of the Gold Key heroes and one of my favorites of the bunch was Doctor Spektor. First appearing in 1972's Mystery Comics Digest #5 ( which featured some awesome Boris Karloff comics reprints) Doc Spektor would go on to feature in his own solo series which ran for 25 issues as well as becoming a horror narrator in Spine-Tingling Tales.
As with driver80's choice of Judge Dredd earlier, unless Spektor first appeared in someone else's strip, he is not eligible under the rules. Sorry.
Cei-U! I summon the precedent!
He did, he had a back up feature in Mystery Comics Digest #5, of which he was not the main feature or mentioned on the cover, and was featured again in Mystery Comics Digest #10 and #11 in which he was a narrator for a back up stories(again, not featured on the covers in text or image) before gaining his own feature later.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 14, 2023 8:36:23 GMT -5
As with driver80's choice of Judge Dredd earlier, unless Spektor first appeared in someone else's strip, he is not eligible under the rules. Sorry.
Cei-U! I summon the precedent!
He did, he had a back up feature in Mystery Comics Digest #5, of which he was not the main feature or mentioned on the cover, and was featured again in Mystery Comics Digest #10 and #11 in which he was a narrator for a back up stories(again, not featured on the covers in text or image) before gaining his own feature later. Debuting as the star of a back-up feature, whether mentioned on the cover or not, is not the same as first appearing in someone else's strip. He remains ineligible.
Cei-U! Rules is rules!
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 14, 2023 8:53:21 GMT -5
He did, he had a back up feature in Mystery Comics Digest #5, of which he was not the main feature or mentioned on the cover, and was featured again in Mystery Comics Digest #10 and #11 in which he was a narrator for a back up stories(again, not featured on the covers in text or image) before gaining his own feature later. Debuting as the star of a back-up feature, whether mentioned on the cover or not, is not the same as first appearing in someone else's strip. He remains ineligible.
Cei-U! Rules is rules!
That's definitely a distinction that's going to torpedo nearly half my list. I'll see what I can do. Now updated. Mea Culpa!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 14, 2023 12:34:41 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day One. Because apparently you mad people think it's a thing I should keep doing.
Let's just start by saying that my list is going to be largely repeats after about Day Three. Sigh.
“The Adventures of Alfred” - I'm sure I read some of these in Batman Family. I'm also sure I have completely forgotten them. But good for Alfred for stepping out in to the limelight.
The Thing - I bought this series off the spinner-racks. I was always a fan of Bashful Benjy. I remember really liking the early issues, but think it lost its way when Ben stayed on Battle World after Secret Bores (which was a stupid decision...the mini and him staying there). I haven't read them in years so I have no idea how they'd hold up.
Tales of the Bizarro World - Sigh. What have I said about reading Superman funnybooks. They rot your mind, kiddies.
Cheryl Blossom - I don't think I've ever read a book with Ms. Blossom in it. There were tons of Archies hanging around the house when I was little. But I never bought Archie myself. I don't have anything against the books. I picked up most of the Archie Americana trades. I'm sure she's a lovely young lady.
The Smurfs - I had no idea that The Smurfs were funnybook characters for a very long time. I thought they were just super annoying cartoons. I was today...well yesterday...years old when I found out they didn't even start in their own funnybook. So I'm capable of learning.
The Forgotten Realms - I had forgotten that this spun out of AD&D. Or...well...I just wasn't thinking about it. I bought all these D&D funnybooks when they came out. I remember them being fun...but I haven't read them since they were new.
Captain Savage and his Leatherneck Raiders - I've never read an issue of this book. But I've also never read an issue of Sgt. Fury. Actually I think I have, but it was maybe an issue or two borrowed from a buddy and I was severely underwhelmed. Marvel's war comics felt like superhero books in olive drab. Emphasis on drab.
Moon Knight - Moon Knight didn't even cross my mind. I loved that Moench Sienzkevich (it's spelled just like it sounds) run. But it's been a LONG time since I've read it.
Elektra: Assassin - I have, shockingly, never read this. I think it came out when I first started undergrad and had very little money for funnybooks. And then I just never got around to it. I suspect I'd at least love the art. Because Sink-your-witz.
Merry, the Girl of a Thousand Gimmicks - I have absolutely never laid eyes on one of these stories. I can't even say if one was ever reprinted in those 100-Page Spectaculars. I have to suspect that they are standard 1940s stories...so probably dire.
Glory - Awww...George. Well we love George. Bless his heart.
Thanos - Have I mentioned I don't like Thanos? I mean not like I hate Superman or Silver Surfer. But...kind of close. Discount Darkseid is less interesting than Darkseid. And Darkseid is pretty boring.
Man-Eating Cow - Jeddak wins Day One. Have a Slammie! I'm far more familiar with The Tick on TV than in the funnybooks. I just never really saw his book around and then when I got kind of interested they were hard to find. I am vaguely aware of Man-Eating Cow. I don't think I was aware that said Cow had their own funnybook. I will say that I have frequently been a man who eats cows. So there's that.
Bar Sinister- How is there a Grell written book with which I'm completely unfamiliar? This is startling and disturbs my inner peace.
We shall see Howard, Death, Ambush Bug and Hellblazer will show up again. Because I have a basic white guy list.
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 14, 2023 13:17:53 GMT -5
Thanos - Have I mentioned I don't like Thanos? I mean not like I hate Superman or Silver Surfer. But...kind of close. Discount Darkseid is less interesting than Darkseid. And Darkseid is pretty boring. Very efficient. You've managed to offer commentary on my Day 1 and 11 picks in one go!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 14, 2023 13:38:56 GMT -5
Thanos - Have I mentioned I don't like Thanos? I mean not like I hate Superman or Silver Surfer. But...kind of close. Discount Darkseid is less interesting than Darkseid. And Darkseid is pretty boring. Very efficient. You've managed to offer commentary on my Day 1 and 11 picks in one go! Why waste words when you don't need to?
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 14, 2023 14:18:43 GMT -5
Very efficient. You've managed to offer commentary on my Day 1 and 11 picks in one go! Why waste words when you don't need to? Why waste words when you don't need to? Fixed that for you.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 14, 2023 14:48:45 GMT -5
Why waste words when you don't need to? Why waste words when you don't need to? Fixed that for you. Exactly.
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Post by foxley on Dec 14, 2023 16:41:47 GMT -5
Those of you interested in sampling “The Adventures of Alfred” but can't afford Golden Age prices for back issues can find several episodes reprinted in the 1970s Batman Family series, which is where I first discovered it. I think you'll find it a refreshing alternative to the sturm und drang of the contemporary Bat-books. They are also included in The Dark Knight Archives.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 14, 2023 21:01:47 GMT -5
Goodness! Is it that late already? #12. The SmurfsThe famous blue gnomes took their first steps in a 1958 Johan & Pirlouit adventure, " La flûte à six trous" (The six hole flute), which was later retitled "La flûte à six Schtroumpfs". A movie inspired by the comic would be produced in 1975 and I can't believe that it's almost been fifty years. (Cripes, I just realized that I still consider that film a "kinda new one", but it preceded Star Wars by two years! I'm old). "Schtroumpf", the Smurfs' name in the original French stories, is actually the phonetic rendering of the German word Strumpf, which means "sock". Creator Peyo found the word amusing, according to certain reports. The Smurfs were at first just a plot device; they lived in the Accursed Land, in which the medieval heroes Johan and Pirlouit found themselves during the course of one of their adventures. The Smurfs proved so popular that they made an encore appearance in a later book and graduated to their own series, with "Les Schtroumpfs noirs", the Smurf version of a zombie plague. Johan & Pirlouit would see their star wane (which is a pity as I really liked the series) but the Smurfs would grow in popularity, getting more albums, t-shirts and latex figurines, until they became true superstars thanks to American cartoons. Peyo and his studio published over a dozen Smurfs volumes over the next few decades. The first ones were really good, before the whole concept became a franchise. After that, well... we got the usual made-by-committee kind of stuff, interspersed with a few good ideas when some old fan would get their hands on the creative reins. (Peyo died in the early '90s). The early Smurfs stories ranged from straight humorous fantasy adventure in the Bone vein to slightly disguised sociological or political metaphors; another example of European comics made for kids but suitable for adults for different reasons. The concept was hard not to like, due to its simplicity and potential. The Smurfs live in a village with houses shaped like big mushrooms (they're real houses, not emptied mushrooms), a village that nobody can find even after having visited it. They speak a language in which names, verbs and adjectives can be replaced by the word "smurf" apparently at random (and one story describes the linguistic cleavage that brought two parts of the village to blows: should one say "a smurdriver" or a screwsmurfer"?) Their medieval world has wizards, dragons, ogres and the like. There were 99 Smurfs when the series began, and that actually caused a problem when time came for the once-in-a-century dance of the moon, which requires 100. A new Smurf was magically brought into existence by a process involving a mirror, leading to a good story about a Smurf who was the enantiomer of another. All the Smurfs are males, which led their arch-foe, Gargamel, to create a female Smurf in the hope of having them all fight to gain her attention. (That's where the Smurfette came from). Smurfs mostly all look alike, except for a few: Papa Smurf, their father figure and leader, looks older (he wears a white beard) and is dressed in red. Papa Smurf is also an alchemist of no small talent. The moralizing Smurf, meanwhile, wears spectacles and keeps annoying people with his preaching. All the other Smurfs have the same look despite having different personalities. (The cartoons introduced different designs that eventually made it into the comics but I don't view them as canonical). The series was attacked by representatives of the perpetually-offended crowd on a few occasions. For example, some thought that Gargamel, the evil wizard with a Rabelaisian name, was an anti-semitic caricature. Considering that there is nothing whatsoever linking Gargamel to Judaism, any such claims are ridiculous and say more about the accused than about the character. People see evil everywhere, it seems, even in innocuous stories about little forest gnomes! The first few Smurf adventures are definitely worth reading. And they were but a spin-off to begin with! I had no idea the Smurfs were a spin off! I remember those kids from the cartoon (there were in a couple episodes... that's crazy they were the stars. Once again I lament America's stupid ego that doesn't get me this kinda thing translated to English!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 14, 2023 21:29:39 GMT -5
somehow I lost a day and missed Slam's recap!! Oh well, my 1st pick is: Nova vol. 2 (1994-1995
New Warriors vol. 1 But wait, you say, Nova isn't a spin off, he started in his own series in the 70s! yeah yeah, but hear me out.... Once upon a time in the 90s, Marvel decided to put out as many books as possible so they could flood the stands and win the sales war by default (see Commond's excellent thread on the Defalco years for details). One of those books was one seemingly thrown together with a bunch of loose characters that no one was using, who had for the most part boring costumes and couldn't even come up with a decent name. Thus, the New Warriors were born. I LOVED New Warriors when I first started reading comics... Justice and Firestar were my favorite couple, and Nova and Speedball never failed to make me smile. The book just had heart. I know most people compare the Wolfman/Perez Titans to the X-Men, but to me the team most like the Titans will always be the original New Warriors. Even when Marvel destroyed them during Civil War.. I kept the faith and actually really enjoyed the redemption of Speedball/Penance in Avengers: The Initiative (which is secretly a New Warriors title). Anyway, back on topic. R I never loved Night Thrasher, so that one didn't thrill me. But then, Rich Rider got his own book! I was so excited!!! How cool was it for a superhero comic to have the main character slinging burgers in his down time? I would argue with it's theorically the same character as the 70s book.. that was just Marv Wolfman pretending he could create Spider-Man. MY Nova is the Superhero 90s slacker with a stubbly chin and an Atlantean girlfriend he never quite treated right. That character was spun out of the New Warriors book and has very little to do with the 70s incarnation.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 15, 2023 3:41:38 GMT -5
You make an eloquent argument, wildfire, but I'm going to rule against you nonetheless. The existence of his previous solo series makes Nova ineligible. Sorry.
Cei-U! I draw the line in the sand!
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 15, 2023 3:59:39 GMT -5
You make an eloquent argument, wildfire, but I'm going to rule against you nonetheless. The existence of his previous solo series makes Nova ineligible. Sorry. Cei-U! I draw the line in the sand! However, I would argue the New Warriors series he speaks of in the very post is eligible, the team having been introduced in Thor.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 15, 2023 4:10:27 GMT -5
You make an eloquent argument, wildfire, but I'm going to rule against you nonetheless. The existence of his previous solo series makes Nova ineligible. Sorry. Cei-U! I draw the line in the sand! However, I would argue the New Warriors series he speaks of in the very post is eligible, the team having been introduced in Thor. Yes, New Warriors would be eligible.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 15, 2023 20:32:04 GMT -5
However, I would argue the New Warriors series he speaks of in the very post is eligible, the team having been introduced in Thor. Yes, New Warriors would be eligible. That seems wrong, but OK
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