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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 13, 2023 19:32:36 GMT -5
The Red Skull, right? Were there any others? I guess the Fantasic Four fought Hitler, but I guess I’m most interested in fictional characters. We’re (somewhat arbitrarily) defining “Golden Age” as 1939-1949: Starting when Marvel/Timely started publishing superhero comics and ending when Timely stopped publishing superhero comics (for a couple years.)
Sidebar: The publishing history of Miss America is a freaking mess that I am kinda sick and do not feel like untangling. If Miss America (the superhero) kept appearing in Miss America (the comic) or Miss America (the magazine) that changes my timeline for Golden Age. Anyway I thiiiiiiink we have to get all the way up to 1956 before an Atlas Era villain returned for the Bronze Age, and I’m 99% sure that Miss America (the character) was gone by then.
It seems like some of Roy Thomas Invaders villains would have to be from the Golden Age since he brought back every Golden Age Marvel hero short of the Fighting Hobo, but I can’t find any in 20 minutes of googling. (Nods to the Invaders thread.)
Anyway Turtle Man is the greatest Captain America villain and needs to come back.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 13, 2023 20:24:28 GMT -5
There were a handful of Golden Age villains brought back in the '70s, mostly in The Invaders as you surmised. According to my Invaders index, they were The Asbestos Lady, The Hyena, The Reaper, and The Shark. Several other Captain America foes were briefly mentioned in a '60s Cap story--The Butterfly, The Toad, the original Ringmaster--but made no appearances. I'm unfamiliar with post-1986 Marvel so I have no knowledge beyond that point.
Cei-U!
I summon the on-the-fly response!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 13, 2023 20:53:47 GMT -5
Thank you! You are much more useful on this topic than the entirety of the internet. Except for the Asbestos Lady (who I’d never heard of) I note that all of those were very difficult to google. Apparently the combined Joker/Sabretooth from Amalgam comics was named the Hyena? and I had to dig through both the Avengers bad guy AND the Gooden Age Nedor comics Grim Reaper (apparently) to get to the Captain America foe.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 13, 2023 20:58:45 GMT -5
Attuma maybe? I know I read stories about him in a masterworks volume, but not sure if it's a golden Age one or a silver age one.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 13, 2023 21:04:33 GMT -5
Attuma maybe? I know I read stories about him in a masterworks volume, but not sure if it's a golden Age one or a silver age one. I don’t think so. He doesn’t exactly fit my criteria since he debuted in the ‘50s, but I’d be shocked if Prince Byrrah didn’t show up at some point in the last 60 years. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 13, 2023 21:15:40 GMT -5
I know Roy wrote a bunch of stuff in the ‘90s….. none of which I read. There has to be something there.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 13, 2023 21:36:21 GMT -5
There was an issue of the first volume of “What If ...?” from the 1970s that had a story about the Avengers forming in the 1950s. I think it was #9. The Avengers were Marvel Boy, Venus, Gorilla-Man, Human Robot and 3-D Man.
The Yellow Claw was the main villain. But his henchmen included Electro, Skull-Face, the Cold Warrior and the Great Video. Cold Warrior was created much later in a story set in the 1950s, but the Yellow Claw, Electro (the Captain America villain), Skull-Face and the Great Video are all from Atlas comics of the 1950s.
Whether that’s the Golden Age or not depends on your definition.
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Post by zaku on Dec 14, 2023 2:24:36 GMT -5
The Red Skull, right? Were there any others? I guess the Fantasic Four fought Hitler, but I guess I’m most interested in fictional characters. We’re (somewhat arbitrarily) defining “Golden Age” as 1939-1949: Starting when Marvel/Timely started publishing superhero comics and ending when Timely stopped publishing superhero comics (for a couple years.) Sidebar: The publishing history of Miss America is a freaking mess that I am kinda sick and do not feel like untangling. If Miss America (the superhero) kept appearing in Miss America (the comic) or Miss America (the magazine) that changes my timeline for Golden Age. Anyway I thiiiiiiink we have to get all the way up to 1956 before an Atlas Era villain returned for the Bronze Age, and I’m 99% sure that Miss America (the character) was gone by then. It seems like some of Roy Thomas Invaders villains would have to be from the Golden Age since he brought back every Golden Age Marvel hero short of the Fighting Hobo, but I can’t find any in 20 minutes of googling. (Nods to the Invaders thread.) Anyway Turtle Man is the greatest Captain America villain and needs to come back. Well, I suppose that a good chunk of them are simply dead by old age 😅 Edit: I find this one! marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Gustav_Hertz_(Earth-616) |
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Post by zaku on Dec 14, 2023 3:41:42 GMT -5
Wait, do you mean golden age villains who appeared in stories set in modern times or simply who appeared in stories published after the 1945 but set in the past?
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Post by foxley on Dec 14, 2023 4:23:17 GMT -5
There were a handful of Golden Age villains brought back in the '70s, mostly in The Invaders as you surmised. According to my Invaders index, they were The Asbestos Lady, The Hyena, The Reaper, and The Shark. Several other Captain America foes were briefly mentioned in a '60s Cap story--The Butterfly, The Toad, the original Ringmaster--but made no appearances. I'm unfamiliar with post-1986 Marvel so I have no knowledge beyond that point. Cei-U! I summon the on-the-fly response! Post-Invaders, the Hyena also showed up in Avengers West Coast when the original Human Torch was a member.
Isbisa showed up in Avengers, Vision and the Scarlet Witch, and Sensational She-Hulk.
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Post by zaku on Dec 14, 2023 6:43:14 GMT -5
I don't know if this counts: the fact is that there were few Marvel Golden Age recurring villains (they were usually dead at the end of the story). But lately (well the last 15 years) there are a lot of stories that retell classic adventures of the characters set during the Golden Age and obviously the villains appear there too. This is an example:  |
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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 14, 2023 10:30:59 GMT -5
I know the Armless Tiger Man appeared in an issue of Pak/Van Lente's Hercules (not a big part). I expect several others to have similar appearances.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 14, 2023 14:28:47 GMT -5
Wait, do you mean golden age villains who appeared in stories set in modern times or simply who appeared in stories published after the 1945 but set in the past? Publication after 1949. Even in Marvel books set during WW2 like the Invaders or Sgt. Fury it seemed like most of the villains were Baron Zeno’s; newly created villains that were ret-conned to be active during the war. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 14, 2023 14:30:37 GMT -5
I know the Armless Tiger Man appeared in an issue of Pak/Van Lente's Hercules (not a big part). I expect several others to have similar appearances. THAT I did not expect. I guess ATM became a little bit of a meme on comics internet, so it shouldn’t surprise me…. But, no, I never woulda expected him to be back. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 14, 2023 14:39:19 GMT -5
I don't know if this counts: the fact is that there were few Marvel Golden Age recurring villains (they were usually dead at the end of the story). But lately (well the last 15 years) there are a lot of stories that retell classic adventures of the characters set during the Golden Age and obviously the villains appear there too. This is an example: Absolutely counts, but doesn’t feature any villains who debuted in the Golden Age as far as I can tell, other than real historical figures. |
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