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Post by kirby101 on Jun 29, 2024 18:50:24 GMT -5
My guess is that Hades is a name people think is Hell. Pluto doesn't let there be confusion.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 29, 2024 19:02:21 GMT -5
I would guess that they used whatever sounded best between the differing names of the Roman and the Greek gods. It’s unlikely that there were ever any plans to use the Roman gods as a separate pantheon within the Marvel Universe. I don’t have the vaguest idea how you would go about doing that. So it didn’t really matter which names they used if they’re only going with one pantheon for the two mythologies.
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Post by Calidore on Jun 29, 2024 20:06:58 GMT -5
My guess is that Hades is a name people think is Hell. Pluto doesn't let there be confusion. That makes sense. I would guess that they used whatever sounded best between the differing names of the Roman and the Greek gods. It’s unlikely that there were ever any plans to use the Roman gods as a separate pantheon within the Marvel Universe. I don’t have the vaguest idea how you would go about doing that. So it didn’t really matter which names they used if they’re only going with one pantheon for the two mythologies. That does, too. Just seemed odd in this mix of Norse and Greek pantheons to have a Roman god pop up out of nowhere. I bet Roy Thomas would have had fun making that work, though.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 29, 2024 21:21:18 GMT -5
My guess is that Hades is a name people think is Hell. Pluto doesn't let there be confusion. That makes sense. I would guess that they used whatever sounded best between the differing names of the Roman and the Greek gods. It’s unlikely that there were ever any plans to use the Roman gods as a separate pantheon within the Marvel Universe. I don’t have the vaguest idea how you would go about doing that. So it didn’t really matter which names they used if they’re only going with one pantheon for the two mythologies. That does, too. Just seemed odd in this mix of Norse and Greek pantheons to have a Roman god pop up out of nowhere. I bet Roy Thomas would have had fun making that work, though. He would have been the only one! Lol
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Post by berkley on Jun 29, 2024 22:03:42 GMT -5
I believe Pluto is actually another Greek name - or rather the Latin version of the Greek Plouton (according to wiki, where I just looked to check).
The Romans themselves saw their gods and those of the Greeks as one Pantheon with different names in their different languages. Our idea of national pantheons I think derives more from the Judaeo-Christian tradition, which tended to see their god as the one true god and the gods of other cultures as different and weaker gods, or as evil demons in disguise, or simply as false idols, etc, etc.
I remember as a teenager being struck by this when Caesar in his writings about the Gallic wars, in describing the Germanic tribes he encountered, said "They honour Mercury above all other gods. They call him Odin." or something like that.
But yeah, I think Stan Lee or Jack Kirby would have just taken whatever they liked the sound of, most likely. For a long time in English the Latin names were much better known as most educated people learned Latin in school, while Greek was much less common. Some of that feeling may have lingered on into the earlier decades of the 20th century, depending on the background of the individual. I imagine that's why James Joyce titled his famous novel Ulysses rather than Odysseus. Even today Hercules is much more common than Heracles.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 30, 2024 10:39:38 GMT -5
I did not know that Pluto was another Greek name for Hades. I’ve just been reading about that on the Intertubez.
I’ve read an awful lot about the Greek myths over the years, but not recently. Years ago, I read volume one of The Greek Myths by Robert Graves, and I’ve been meaning to read volume two for at least 20 years.
Maybe I read about Pluto a long time ago and just don’t remember it.
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Post by berkley on Jul 1, 2024 1:14:08 GMT -5
I did not know that Pluto was another Greek name for Hades. I’ve just been reading about that on the Intertubez. I’ve read an awful lot about the Greek myths over the years, but not recently. Years ago, I read volume one of The Greek Myths by Robert Graves, and I’ve been meaning to read volume two for at least 20 years. Maybe I read about Pluto a long time ago and just don’t remember it.
Much the same experience here. For a long time I assumed that Pluto was the Roman counterpart of Hades, as Mars was of Ares, Juno of Hera, etc.
Graves's Greek Myths was an important book for me: like many young readers mesmerised by Tolkien, after reading his books I spent a few years of floundering around trying to find something along the same lines. I tried various Tolkien-derived fantasy books, some good some bad, but none of them really having anywhere near the same impact. Eventually I gravitated towards the mythology that had inspired him, which soon led me to Graves and his Greek Myths, and then Lattimore's English versions of the Iliad and the Odyssey.
I think you probably did read about Pluto in Graves, since if I remember he put the stories of the Olympian gods near the beginning of the first volume. I don't have my copy nearby to check if he talks about the names Pluto and Hades but I would imagine he did, perhaps in the notes. The annotations and his controversial interpretation of those stories were almost as fascinating as the stories themselves.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 1, 2024 7:43:09 GMT -5
I did not know that Pluto was another Greek name for Hades. I’ve just been reading about that on the Intertubez. I’ve read an awful lot about the Greek myths over the years, but not recently. Years ago, I read volume one of The Greek Myths by Robert Graves, and I’ve been meaning to read volume two for at least 20 years. Maybe I read about Pluto a long time ago and just don’t remember it. It's kind of one of those things where you wonder why they used the name of the planet instead of the actual Greek name. Guessing it was a cold day in hell?
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