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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 15, 2024 11:38:56 GMT -5
I swear, Hoosier X, your review of The People Breeders was as much fun as the original comic, which was already pretty darn good! Thanks for the hearty chuckles!
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 23, 2024 7:07:35 GMT -5
THOR #134November 1966 "The People Breeders!" Comments:I like that Thor can pull authority with law Enforcement by using his membership with he Avengers. It indicates that they Have a status of a law enforcement themselves. It doesn't get into the nasty elements like they do in the 80's and beyond where they to do what the Government wants them to do. I found this choice of coloring to be garish. This is the digital version but it's faithful to the original coloring. Totally gratuitis showing of Wanda and Pietroi, but I like it. Why did they throw in a splash page of Galactus? There's a scene when the HE first see's Thor that he doesn't know who he is. I thought these big cosmic beings kept tabs on each other ? Maybe he's too wrapped up in his own affairs? Also, the splash shows that Kirby recycled the animal as humans in Kamandi. There final page shows the HE losing control of the Man Beast. He seems to make a lot of mistakes. Tales of AsgardThey introduce Fafnir. His image is spectacular. Other stuff
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Aug 23, 2024 9:40:28 GMT -5
I'm assuming the Galactus tease was originally planned to pay off much sooner than it eventually did (more than two years later)
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 23, 2024 10:42:19 GMT -5
"Let's make Galactus wear a pink and orange short-sleeved shirt. It's summer after all!" I agree about Fafnir; he looks awesome. I always loved the Kirby monsters that looked sort of humanoid but not quite. The High Evolutionary was another amazing creation. Probably just dreamed up by Jack because we needed someone for Thor to fight for an issue or two and nothing more, he would nevertheless have a career spanning several decades. Kirby was a modern myth-maker.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 23, 2024 11:35:19 GMT -5
It wasn’t until later that writers tied all the cosmic beings together. HE battles Galactus in the late 70’s and it seems that all the cosmic big shots keep tabs on each other. Maybe HE was in the lesser side of universe knowledge. It seems that places like Asgard should be known to the other cosmic characters.
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 23, 2024 15:28:53 GMT -5
It wasn’t until later that writers tied all the cosmic beings together. HE battles Galactus in the late 70’s and it seems that all the cosmic big shots keep tabs on each other. Maybe HE was in the lesser side of universe knowledge. It seems that places like Asgard should be known to the other cosmic characters. The Evolutionary was still an ordinary, albeit genius, human in this issue so, no, he wouldn't be aware of Galactus (well, no more so than anybody else who watched the news coverage of his visit to Earth in FF #48-50). He doesn't become a cosmic being until the conclusion of next issue.
Cei-U! I summon the technicality!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 23, 2024 16:35:50 GMT -5
It wasn’t until later that writers tied all the cosmic beings together. HE battles Galactus in the late 70’s and it seems that all the cosmic big shots keep tabs on each other. Maybe HE was in the lesser side of universe knowledge. It seems that places like Asgard should be known to the other cosmic characters. The Evolutionary was still an ordinary, albeit genius, human in this issue so, no, he wouldn't be aware of Galactus (well, no more so than anybody else who watched the news coverage of his visit to Earth in FF #48-50). He doesn't become a cosmic being until the conclusion of next issue.
Cei-U! I summon the technicality!
Is that when he evolved himself into demi-godhood? I seemed to remember the Hulk being present when we witnessed that scene (as a flashback) in Marvel Premiere #1. I don't think I ever read the actual issue, though, so I may be quite wrong!
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 23, 2024 17:57:02 GMT -5
The Evolutionary was still an ordinary, albeit genius, human in this issue so, no, he wouldn't be aware of Galactus (well, no more so than anybody else who watched the news coverage of his visit to Earth in FF #48-50). He doesn't become a cosmic being until the conclusion of next issue.
Cei-U! I summon the technicality!
Is that when he evolved himself into demi-godhood? I seemed to remember the Hulk being present when we witnessed that scene (as a flashback) in Marvel Premiere #1. I don't think I ever read the actual issue, though, so I may be quite wrong! It was the story arc in Tales to Astonish, mentioned earlier in this thread.
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 24, 2024 0:34:18 GMT -5
The Evolutionary was still an ordinary, albeit genius, human in this issue so, no, he wouldn't be aware of Galactus (well, no more so than anybody else who watched the news coverage of his visit to Earth in FF #48-50). He doesn't become a cosmic being until the conclusion of next issue.
Cei-U! I summon the technicality!
Is that when he evolved himself into demi-godhood? I seemed to remember the Hulk being present when we witnessed that scene (as a flashback) in Marvel Premiere #1. I don't think I ever read the actual issue, though, so I may be quite wrong! No, I'm the one who's wrong. It was indeed in Tales to Astonish #96 that Ev attained godhood.
Cei-U! I summon the memory glitch!
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Post by Yasotay on Aug 25, 2024 0:12:46 GMT -5
It wasn’t until later that writers tied all the cosmic beings together. HE battles Galactus in the late 70’s and it seems that all the cosmic big shots keep tabs on each other. Maybe HE was in the lesser side of universe knowledge. It seems that places like Asgard should be known to the other cosmic characters. Not to sidetrack things but this does beg the question of just who qualifies as a "cosmic" being within the Marvel pantheon? I never actually considered the High Evolutionary, or Thor for that matter, to be cosmic type beings, unless you're simply categorizing as cosmic high power characters who can freely roam the cosmos and are sometimes involved in cosmic type affairs. But to me, a cosmic being in Marvel was one that had some level of cosmic awareness beyond what was happening in their own general locale and also some level of ability to alter reality (a power I always hated because it makes no sense to me). Galactus, the Celestials and various entities like Eternity and the Living Tribunal I would all consider cosmic beings. Odin, at least at times, I do think could be categorized that way, though not Thor or the HE. But I'll admit, my knowledge of the HE is limited so feel free to correct me if he's more "cosmic" than in the appearances I've seen. I'll also mention, while I'm not really much of a silver age fan, I've always been a Thor fan and this thread is one of the things that finally inspired me to join the site after lurking for a long time. Keep it up.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 25, 2024 7:18:49 GMT -5
It wasn’t until later that writers tied all the cosmic beings together. HE battles Galactus in the late 70’s and it seems that all the cosmic big shots keep tabs on each other. Maybe HE was in the lesser side of universe knowledge. It seems that places like Asgard should be known to the other cosmic characters. Not to sidetrack things but this does beg the question of just who qualifies as a "cosmic" being within the Marvel pantheon? I never actually considered the High Evolutionary, or Thor for that matter, to be cosmic type beings, unless you're simply categorizing as cosmic high power characters who can freely roam the cosmos and are sometimes involved in cosmic type affairs. But to me, a cosmic being in Marvel was one that had some level of cosmic awareness beyond what was happening in their own general locale and also some level of ability to alter reality (a power I always hated because it makes no sense to me). Galactus, the Celestials and various entities like Eternity and the Living Tribunal I would all consider cosmic beings. Odin, at least at times, I do think could be categorized that way, though not Thor or the HE. But I'll admit, my knowledge of the HE is limited so feel free to correct me if he's more "cosmic" than in the appearances I've seen. I'll also mention, while I'm not really much of a silver age fan, I've always been a Thor fan and this thread is one of the things that finally inspired me to join the site after lurking for a long time. Keep it up. Welcome to the forum. My thinking is that a cosmic being is a person who has power levels that could crush planets. I always thought that the High Evolutionary was one, but I'm getting an education reading these Thor issues for the first time. I only ever read about him from the Warlock issues forward.
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Post by Yasotay on Aug 25, 2024 12:08:02 GMT -5
Not to sidetrack things but this does beg the question of just who qualifies as a "cosmic" being within the Marvel pantheon? I never actually considered the High Evolutionary, or Thor for that matter, to be cosmic type beings, unless you're simply categorizing as cosmic high power characters who can freely roam the cosmos and are sometimes involved in cosmic type affairs. But to me, a cosmic being in Marvel was one that had some level of cosmic awareness beyond what was happening in their own general locale and also some level of ability to alter reality (a power I always hated because it makes no sense to me). Galactus, the Celestials and various entities like Eternity and the Living Tribunal I would all consider cosmic beings. Odin, at least at times, I do think could be categorized that way, though not Thor or the HE. But I'll admit, my knowledge of the HE is limited so feel free to correct me if he's more "cosmic" than in the appearances I've seen. I'll also mention, while I'm not really much of a silver age fan, I've always been a Thor fan and this thread is one of the things that finally inspired me to join the site after lurking for a long time. Keep it up. Welcome to the forum. My thinking is that a cosmic being is a person who has power levels that could crush planets. I always thought that the High Evolutionary was one, but I'm getting an education reading these Thor issues for the first time. I only ever read about him from the Warlock issues forward. That's a fair definition. Though could a fully enraged Hulk crush a planet? (I just realized how geeky asking that question sounds!) I think there have been indications he might be that powerful but I've never thought of him as a cosmic being. Power levels are such a tricky thing in Marvel. The Hulk might be strong enough to crush a planet, but he can't even fly. The Scarlet Witch can alter reality but can be knocked out by a punch from Daredevil.
My knowledge of the HE is probably similar to yours. I recall him in Fantastic Four trying to fight with Galactus, which is kind of cosmic, I guess, though I think he lost immediately. Overall though, he was one of those characters that got mentioned a lot but I never saw him actually do that much.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 27, 2024 11:23:20 GMT -5
Sweet! You guys are up to The High Evolutionary! I've read so few of these issues that it's hard for me to contribute much this early in the thread, but I was able to get this one in a $5 bin about a decade back, and it blew my mind. Such a fantastic idea for a villain (or perhaps anti-hero)! The High Evolutionary remains one of my favorite Marvel villains ever, and I positively love where they went with him in the Warlock series.
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Post by Yasotay on Aug 27, 2024 11:55:30 GMT -5
Sweet! You guys are up to The High Evolutionary! I've read so few of these issues that it's hard for me to contribute much this early in the thread, but I was able to get this one in a $5 bin about a decade back, and it blew my mind. Such a fantastic idea for a villain (or perhaps anti-hero)! The High Evolutionary remains one of my favorite Marvel villains ever, and I positively love where they went with him in the Warlock series. I'm going to have to check out some of the earlier Warlocks. I only really read the last few with Thanos. The High Evolutionary was always strange to me because he was one of those figures whose importance in Marvel seemed out of all proportion to his appearances, at least in the bronze age. I recall him being mentioned quite a bit and things associated with him, like Wundagore, popped up a lot but I never really saw him in many comics. And the only time I ever saw him actually use his powers was a very brief fight with Galactus in Fantastic Four.
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 27, 2024 13:30:23 GMT -5
It wasn’t until later that writers tied all the cosmic beings together. HE battles Galactus in the late 70’s and it seems that all the cosmic big shots keep tabs on each other. Maybe HE was in the lesser side of universe knowledge. It seems that places like Asgard should be known to the other cosmic characters. The Collector was introduced in the Avengers just a few months before these issues of Thor. Who would have thought back in the mid-1960s that The Collector would eventually be included among the Great Cosmic Beings?
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