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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 11, 2024 4:38:14 GMT -5
Sorry for the delay, I've been fighting off a a few Ragnaroks... Commentary:Sorry, the only saving grace of this book was the spectacular artwork depicting Asgard. It seemed like her story arc started in the second Thor issue was wrapped up very quickly. Yes, she had been in contact with other worldly beings before but I don't remember her ever showing courage. Papa Odin knew all along that she didn't have the bravery for this type of lifestyle. After she is sent to earth, Odin shows some reality altering abilities in placing her in the west coast with a job waiting for her. No resumes? No Interviews? It's another Silver age device that the reader shouldn't examine too closely. Sif saving Thor was also just jammed into the story in order to replace Jane as a love interest. I thought it was a fail. I understand that these stories were simple and lacked any real world emotional realism, but it's a bridge too far to expect Thor to lose the love of his life and forget her for Sif in 30 minutes. I'm thinking that if this story were written today, the Sif attraction would build slowly over time as Thor fought depression for a while. Maybe I'm being too harsh for comics that were mostly done in one and disposable , but this subplot that lasted about 4 years was resolved in 16 pages. The get JANE FOSTER game has concluded , but will it be replaced by GET SiF ? Tales of Asgard commentary
Thor uses his hammer and defeats Fafnir. I expected more fight in this installment. This issue was a disappointment for me on the level of the first 20 JIM stories. 
Wait a second - aren't you the guy who started off the There I Said It thread with a post about how much you disliked Lois Lane? And now you're disliking the story in which Thor gets rid of his Lois Lane analogue and takes another step away from being Marvel's Superman?
Just kidding, your points and objections are totally valid. But I think some at least are answerable: for example, if we grant that Odin knew in advance that Jane Foster would fail, wasn't this a good way of showing her - without doing any physical harm - how unhappy she would be in Asgard, i.e. in Thor's world? A kind of shock treatment, perhaps, but just conceivably the most merciful way to save her from herself.
Yes, Odin gave her the "deep end of the pool " treatment. It makes me wonder if ALL citizens of Asgard are warriors ? They have women and children walking around, are they all like Sif? Doesn't the population allow for cowardly people ? Jane would fit right in. And I'm not against writing Jane out of the series, just the sudden way it was done. But comics being what they are, we can just wait until another writer decides he likes Jane and brings her back minus the cowardly aspects. Spoiler alert: It happens with Conway. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 11, 2024 6:00:39 GMT -5
Wait a second - aren't you the guy who started off the There I Said It thread with a post about how much you disliked Lois Lane? And now you're disliking the story in which Thor gets rid of his Lois Lane analogue and takes another step away from being Marvel's Superman?
Just kidding, your points and objections are totally valid. But I think some at least are answerable: for example, if we grant that Odin knew in advance that Jane Foster would fail, wasn't this a good way of showing her - without doing any physical harm - how unhappy she would be in Asgard, i.e. in Thor's world? A kind of shock treatment, perhaps, but just conceivably the most merciful way to save her from herself.
Yes, Odin gave her the "deep end of the pool " treatment. It makes me wonder if ALL citizens of Asgard are warriors ? They have women and children walking around, are they all like Sif? Doesn't the population allow for cowardly people ? Jane would fit right in. And I'm not against writing Jane out of the series, just the sudden way it was done. (...) Even as a member of Team Sif, I thought so too... How quickly the love-torn god of thunder forgot Jane to fall for Sif! The idea that he had bounced the latter on his knee when she was a kid was also all sorts of creepy. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 11, 2024 6:07:26 GMT -5
Yes, Odin gave her the "deep end of the pool " treatment. It makes me wonder if ALL citizens of Asgard are warriors ? They have women and children walking around, are they all like Sif? Doesn't the population allow for cowardly people ? Jane would fit right in. And I'm not against writing Jane out of the series, just the sudden way it was done. (...) Even as a member of Team Sif, I thought so too... How quickly the love-torn god of thunder forgot Jane to fall for Sif! The idea that he had bounced the latter on his knee when she was a kid was also all sorts of creepy.It's weird but they live thousands of years. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 11, 2024 8:42:28 GMT -5
Yes, Odin gave her the "deep end of the pool " treatment. It makes me wonder if ALL citizens of Asgard are warriors ? They have women and children walking around, are they all like Sif? Doesn't the population allow for cowardly people ? Jane would fit right in. And I'm not against writing Jane out of the series, just the sudden way it was done. But comics being what they are, we can just wait until another writer decides he likes Jane and brings her back minus the cowardly aspects. Spoiler alert: It happens with Conway. There is a short back up story about a girl who gives out golden apples of immortality to the people of Asgard, so I wonder if immortality is kind of limited over there? (I guess kind of like Odinsleep where it has to occur once per year) Also the less said about Conway's run, the better. I get that he was working against editorial mandates, but that had to be the most boring forty-five issues of comic book that I've ever read |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 11, 2024 8:57:20 GMT -5
Yes, Odin gave her the "deep end of the pool " treatment. It makes me wonder if ALL citizens of Asgard are warriors ? They have women and children walking around, are they all like Sif? Doesn't the population allow for cowardly people ? Jane would fit right in. And I'm not against writing Jane out of the series, just the sudden way it was done. But comics being what they are, we can just wait until another writer decides he likes Jane and brings her back minus the cowardly aspects. Spoiler alert: It happens with Conway. There is a short back up story about a girl who gives out golden apples of immortality to the people of Asgard, so I wonder if immortality is kind of limited over there? (I guess kind of like Odinsleep where it has to occur once per year) Also the less said about Conway's run, the better. I get that he was working against editorial mandates, but that had to be the most boring forty-five issues of comic book that I've ever read I can’t wait to get to it ? |
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Post by Yasotay on Sept 11, 2024 10:36:54 GMT -5
Even as a member of Team Sif, I thought so too... How quickly the love-torn god of thunder forgot Jane to fall for Sif! The idea that he had bounced the latter on his knee when she was a kid was also all sorts of creepy.It's weird but they live thousands of years. After thousands of years you'd figure he's been through this enough times, with enough women, that by now he's just like "Out with the old, in with the new." |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 11, 2024 17:08:56 GMT -5
It's weird but they live thousands of years. After thousands of years you'd figure he's been through this enough times, with enough women, that by now he's just like "Out with the old, in with the new." Yes the conceit is that he felt that way about Jane. Silver age storytelling all the way. It WAS written for kids. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 11, 2024 19:05:46 GMT -5
Hey, I did like the second Mangog storyline! That was Conway, right?
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 11, 2024 19:42:28 GMT -5
Hey, I did like the second Mangog storyline! That was Conway, right? Yes, yes it was The problem I have with Mangog returning is well, the ending to the original arc (without spoiling it) didn't leave much wiggle room for continuation |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 12, 2024 5:30:16 GMT -5
Hey, I did like the second Mangog storyline! That was Conway, right? Yes, yes it was The problem I have with Mangog returning is well, the ending to the original arc (without spoiling it) didn't leave much wiggle room for continuation That is quite true. The second coming of Mangog changes his origin in an important way, with no explanation. |
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Post by Yasotay on Sept 14, 2024 9:17:26 GMT -5
After thousands of years you'd figure he's been through this enough times, with enough women, that by now he's just like "Out with the old, in with the new." Yes the conceit is that he felt that way about Jane. Silver age storytelling all the way. It WAS written for kids. Come to think of it, Thor was around for - what? - at least a couple of thousand years prior to Jane Foster. He must have had some girlfriends before that, the guy looks like a cross between a football player and a rock star, afterall. But has there ever been anything, in any Thor comic, about him having a romantic relationship prior to Jane? The Roy Thomas run showed an alleged earlier mortal incarnation of Thor that had a brief relationship with a mortal version of Brunhilda the Valkyrie but all memories of that were apparently erased. Besides that, was Thor celibate for the 2000 years prior to Jane Foster? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 14, 2024 10:29:41 GMT -5
Comics books were written for kids back then and all men were afraid of women and all women were virgins.
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Post by Yasotay on Sept 14, 2024 11:43:45 GMT -5
Comics books were written for kids back then and all men were afraid of women and all women were virgins. I'm not talking about just silver age Thor. I mean has any Thor story written, up to the present day, depicted him in a romantic relationship that pre-dated Jane Foster? Other than the tenuous one I mentioned, I can't think of anything from the bronze age. But surely someone must have written a story that incorporated that at some point? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 14, 2024 13:49:16 GMT -5
I remember reading Jane commenting on Thor cheating on her in a comic published recently.
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Post by Yasotay on Sept 14, 2024 14:56:56 GMT -5
I remember reading Jane commenting on Thor cheating on her in a comic published recently. I had heard in recent years Thor was deemed no longer worthy to wield mjolnir for some reason. Maybe that's why!
I'm just thinking in 60 years of Thor history, someone must have written a story set in the distant past where Thor had a tryst with a Viking maiden or something like that. But maybe Odin drove them all off like he did with Jane.
I had joked in an earlier post that Lee and Kirby were using Odin to channel their kvetching Jewish mothers but this would be the ultimate Jewish mother move ("No girl is good enough for my bubbela, Thor!")
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