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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 30, 2024 16:36:11 GMT -5
Another messy Robert Bernstein outing saved, at least in part, by the best Kirby art job on Thor so far. Incidentally, China and India were actually skirmishing on their common border just prior to this story appearing in print, a relatively rare example of current events being reflected in a Silver Age Marvel comic.
Cei-U! I summon Chen Lu's cool Chinese-style robots!
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 30, 2024 20:27:14 GMT -5
When I was a teenager, and 1960s Marvels were a lot more reasonably priced, I decided to try to get one early issue from all the main Marvels. So I had Daredevil #6 from a very early period when I was a comic book collector. And X-Men #3 (very beat up!). And Tales of Suspense #41. The oldest Journey into Mystery with Thor I ever bought was #94, the issue I'm about to review! I would probably have bought more such issues if I had liked this one a little bit better. (I hope nobody minds if I don't go into too much detail about this issue. I mean, the main plot is right there in the title!) Journey into Mystery #94July 1963 "Thor and Loki Attack the Human Race!" The U.S. military is testing a missile with an active nuclear warhead. It goes haywire, and they lose control of the missile! They put out a distress call for Thor to help stop it before it detonates on Earth somewhere. And Don Blake hears and turns to Thor and rushes off to save the day. Meanwhile, Loki is chained to the wall in (I guess) an Asgardian dungeon, gloating (in thought balloons) about his latest scheme against Thor. He has used his magic to wrest control of the missile away from the military testing program. But his plan has only just started to work. Thor throws his hammer and destroys the missile before it can hurt anybody. And as the hammer is flying back to him as he's floating in the sky, Loki distracts him for a moment with a dragon! But the dragon is only an illusion. With his back turned, the hammer flies at him and hits him in the back of the head. As Loki explains in unnecessary detail, the hammer has struck Thor's chromosomatic gland and turns the God Thunder into an evil god! Thor flies to Asgard and frees Loki. They are going to team up and terrorize mankind BECAUSE REASONS! Before they can flee, Odin and his entourage of generic Norse gods show up and yell at Loki and try to talk Thor out of turning EVIL! Odin guesses that Loki's sorcery is behind Thor's change in personality and he lurches forward and chokes Loki! I really love this panel. It almost justifies the whole dumb story. Great Sinnott art! And it is hilarious the way Odin is glaring at Loki through his bushy eyebrows and his disapproving scowl! With Odin's hands around his neck, Loki's eyes are bulging out of his face and he calls for Thor to help him. So Thor and Loki travel to Earth and start wreaking havoc, causing earthquakes and tidal waves and flooding the Netherlands and tossing the Taj Mahal into the sky with a tornado and making volcanoes erupt. Then he trashes the Eiffel Tower, pounds the Great Pyramid into a hill of rocks, fills in the Panama Canal and knocks over the leaning tower of Pisa with his pinkie. A special delegation of the United Nations shows up and asks Thor and Loki to come to the U.N. building to hear them beg Odin to surrender to the two rogue gods so they will stop terrorizing Earth. So they show up as planned and Loki tells Thor to destroy the giant U.N. emblem with his hammer, and Thor does it. But as Mjolnir is returning, a trap door opens under Thor and he falls to the compartment below. The hammer hovers over the trap door as Loki ponders the burning question of what is going on. Well, it appears that the U.N delegation is actually Odin and his bearded band of generic Norse gods in disguise! And Odin now controls Mjolnir and he wills it to strike Thor's chromosomatic gland again, making him a good guy again! And so Thor is now transformed into a good god and he apologizes for all the trouble he's caused and Loki is in custody again and the gods fix everything that Thor and Loki destroyed and the event is erased from the memories of all mankind. I don't really know what else to say about all that. Except that I suspect maybe Odin is probably getting very disappointed that Thor needs his help in almost every adventure! Commentary: Don Blake only appears in two panels. And Jane Foster doesn't appear at all!
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 31, 2024 1:20:53 GMT -5
This story reminds me of a classic Bugs Bunny cartoon where, outraged that the bounty on rabbits is only two cents, he goes on a rampage, stealing the locks from the Panama Canal, filling in the Grand Canyon, etc.
Cei-U! "You realize, of course, this means WAR!!!"
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 31, 2024 8:07:15 GMT -5
Comments on JIM 94
Clean Sinnott artwork and it made me wonder, as famous as the Kirby /Sinnott team was on the FF title, Did they ever team up on the Thor title? As for the issue, standard silly silver age plot that creates a dilemma that is all set back in the end. Thor and Loki devastate the earth and there's no appearance by the FF, Iron man or any of the other Marvel heroes. So, am I to assume that Stan is following the DC model of separate cities with no connection to other books ? I was happy to see that Loki had limitations to his powers. He was exhausted after creating the illusion of a dragon for Thor to fight. This is the first time showing he's not the Beyonder. I looked up chromosomic gland and it's nonsense. It doesn't exist , and even if it did, when did Loki get his medical degree? The trope of hitting someone over the head and hitting them back to return them to " normal " was something used in TV all throughout my childhood. I never suspected that it was silly and dangerous to insinuate that giving people concussions could change their personalities. In the end , all damage is repaired and the memories of THE ENTIRE EARTH are erased. Yikes! The issues in the 120's couldn't get here fast enough. Hoosier X and I discussed Odin choking Loki and decided it was the precursor for this:
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 31, 2024 8:49:39 GMT -5
The only time Kirby and Sinnott worked on Thor together was on Journey into Mystery #83 and the first few pages of #84, unless you count the Origins of The Inhumans back-up series that ran in Thor #146-152.
Cei-U! I summon the answer!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 31, 2024 8:51:21 GMT -5
The only time Kirby and Sinnott worked on Thor together was on Journey into Mystery #83 and the first few pages of #84, unless you count the Origins of The Inhumans back-up series that ran in Thor #146-152. Cei-U! I summon the answer! That’s right. Good catch.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 31, 2024 8:58:46 GMT -5
Comments on JIM 94
Clean Sinnott artwork and it made me wonder, as famous as the Kirby /Sinnott team was on the FF title, Did they ever team up on the Thor title? As for the issue, standard silly silver age plot that creates a dilemma that is all set back in the end. Thor and Loki devastate the earth and there's no appearance by the FF, Iron man or any of the other Marvel heroes. So, am I to assume that Stan is following the DC model of separate cities with no connection to other books ? I was happy to see that Loki had limitations to his powers. He was exhausted after creating the illusion of a dragon for Thor to fight. This is the first time showing he's not the Beyonder. I looked up chromosomic gland and it's nonsense. It doesn't exist , and even if it did, when did Loki get his medical degree? The trope of hitting someone over the head and hitting them back to return them to " normal " was something used in TV all throughout my childhood. I never suspected that it was silly and dangerous to insinuate that giving people concussions could change their personalities. In the end , all damage is repaired and the memories of THE ENTIRE EARTH are erased. Yikes! The issues in the 120's couldn't get here fast enough. Hoosier X and I discussed Odin choking Loki and decided it was the precursor for this: It seems like we’re almost to the era where it starts getting better very quickly (which for me is #97). But then I realize we still have #95 (with Don Blake, Android Master) and #96 (with the Maha Yogi) and #97 still seems so far away!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 31, 2024 10:23:54 GMT -5
I remember the stories not really kicking in until the 110's or so. We still have goofy elements in the following issues.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 31, 2024 15:17:43 GMT -5
Journey into Mystery # 95"The Demon Duplicators"Writer Stan Lee Scripter: R Berns Artist: Joe Sinnott
Plot summary: Thor's alter ego, Don Blake creates an android that is indestructible and has a fellow inventor Professor Zaxton demonstrate its power in a convention. During the exhibit , Thor attempts to shatter the android with his hammer and fails then Zaxton mistakenly causes the android to short circuit starting an explosion that could destroy the city. Thor throws the android when its about to explode somewhere isolated with the help of his hammer and no one is harmed. Later that day, Zaxton is waiting in Blakes office and admits he sabotaged the experiment and has abducted Jane Foster in order to force Blake to help him with an invention he has yet to perfect. It turns out he has invented a device that can duplicate anything that is inanimate and wishes for the invention to duplicate living things. Blake agrees to help and it duplicates an alley cat showing its effectiveness. It's revealed that living beings when duplicated have their personalities reversed. A good person will become evil, and so fourth. While Zaxton is distracted , Blake turns into Thor and Zaxton duplicates Thor and gives the fake Thor 2 hammers. They chase each other through the city until the real Thor is cornered and has the two hammers thrown at him. It turns out the duplicate hammers have no power because the duplicate Thor is not worthy. As Thor attempts to capture the professor, he duplicates himself to confuse Thor but falls to his death. The duplicate Zaxton survives and is allowed to live the real Zaxton's life. Okay, here's where my personal tastes come into play. I liked this issue a lot. As goofy and weird as it was, I enjoyed it. The cover is great and characters fighting their doppelgängers is always fun. Blake having the skills to create an indestructible android is a stretch , but I approached this story like it was a Silver Age Superman tale and didn't get bothered by trying to compare it to what Thor will become in a few years. Things I liked: I really like the long handle on Thors hammer. It improves the awesomeness of the weapon. Comments:Thor reveals that he has a code that he can't harm human beings except in self defense. Well, in the story featuring the Radio Active man, he threw him to China and he ended up exploding. Maybe he makes an exception for super powered beings? In this issue Zaxton creates another Thor duplicate that the real Thor vaporizes when he throws his hammer at him. Maybe he didn't expect him to explode but , it should indicate that the duplicates are not as sturdy as the real thing. It's not explained what happens to all the items that were duplicated along the way when the story ends. The professor during the story duplicated an entire office building and a dozen jet airliners. I'm assuming those structures had people inside of them, so uh what happens to them ? Before Thor retrieves Jane he says he disposed of the dead body. Where? Lots of goofy unanswered questions but I still liked the story.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 31, 2024 16:17:57 GMT -5
I really like the long handle on Thors hammer. It improves the awesomeness of the weapon. Forsooth! A long hammer like that would strike pretty hard! But I don't much care for it...It reminds me of a comment made by Foggy Nelson, when learning that there was a villain named Boomerang. "Boomerang? There's a guy named Boomerang? Why not Croquet, instead, 'cause then you have a mallet?" Besides, tradition states that Mjollnir has a short handle :
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 1, 2024 13:07:09 GMT -5
I mentioned this story earlier in the thread as the one with the Maha Yogi. Which might be a bit confusing to readers who have never read any X-Men between the Kirby issues and the All-New X-Men in the 1970s. In JIM #96, he's merely called "Mad Merlin" and there's no reference to the Maha Yogi. But, you see, this character returned in the X-Men later in the 1960s. Twice. In X-Men #30 and #47. I haven't read these stories in a long time and I don't remember the details, but a little Internet research tells me that he called himself the Warlock in X-Men #30 and then re-appeared as Maga Yogi in #47. He's appeared a few times since then and it seems to have gotten a bit complicated. At some point, it was revealed that he's thousands of years old and he has a piece of the Bloodstone. And it's also been established that he was only impersonating the real Merlin. I'm guessing that somebody (without looking it up, I nominate Roy Thomas) realized that it was a dumb idea to permanently associate the Merlin of legend with "Mad Merlin" in an ancient Thor story from an era when Thor wasn't a particularly good series, and came with the "Merlin impersonator" story. As I recall, the Maha Yogi character is not that great and it seems to me like it would have been a better idea to just ignore JIM #96. I mean, I wish ignoring JIM #96 was an option for me right now. Let's get this over with. Journey into Mystery #96September 1963 "Mad Merlin!" Have you ever heard of a story engine? It's the way that the adventures are generated for a series. Like, Professor X using Cerebro to search for mutants. That was part of the X-Men's story engine. Batman patrols the city and looks for crime, he has connections with the police to be warned of burglaries and robberies, he has an array of vengeance-seeking villains who are always out to get him. That's the basis of Batman's multi-pronged story engine. Early in the series, Thor has a doctor's office. Sheesh. And he flies around New York City and throws himself in front of out-of-control buses that are about to ram into baby carriages. Also, he listens to the radio. Later on, Asgard will be a much bigger part of the Thor story engine. In 1963, it was still just Loki, chained to a rock, observing Thor and using his amazing powers to turn bicycles to candy and mess with Thor's chromosomatic gland. But they're still relying on the doctor's office and the radio. The dcotor's office will be part of the story engine for some time to come. So JIM #96 starts with Thor flying into his lab. He turns into Don Blake and unbolts the door and walks into the reception area and Jane Foster just really gives him quite a scolding! He had appointments and he went into his lab and locked the door for thirty minutes. When Jane was hammering on the door, he wouldn't even answer! All the patients left. He tells her he was working on an important experiment (improving his android-making skills, I presume) but Jane accuses him of taking a nap. So Dr. Blake segways into a flashback about how he heard on the radio that a bus has driven off the bridge and he locked himself in the lab so he could turn to Thor and go save the people in the submerged bus. But he can't tell Jane that! So there's a few more panels where Jane is still scolding Dr. Blake and they're hanging around in the office (presumably waiting for the patients with afternoon appointments, if Dr. Blake has any clients left) and Dr. Blake is all mopey and sulky about how he is in love with Jane but he can't tell her he's Thor and so on and so on. This cannot go on forever. It might seem like it goes on forever before they start reconsidering the limits of using a doctor's office as part of the story engine, but they get it eventually. Thank god for the radio! (Whichever god you want. Maybe Odin? If he's so powerful, why doesn't he do something about all these scenes set in the doctor's office!) While listening to the radio, Dr. Blake and Jane find out that the stone crypt of Merlin has just been delivered to a museum in New York City, and they discuss whether or not Merlin was good or evil. They are about to find out! The narrative moves to the museum and the crypt is opened and the scientists are amazed that Merlin's body is so well-preserved. They leave the room and Merlin wakes up and starts gloating about how well his plan worked and he starts reminiscing about the old days, in King Arthur's court. He was a mutant, you see! He used sorcery as a cover for his mutant powers! BECAUSE REASONS! I have to admit that I really love the flashbacks to King Arthur's time. Sinnott had a certain flair for this kind of material. Knights and kings and pageantry and cauldrons. We could have had a story where "Merlin" transports Thor back to the Dark Ages, thinking maybe he could defeat Thor more easily on his home ground. But no. We get another story where the villain causes chaos by taking control of a missile and making it go haywire. And then when Thor ruins his scheme, he goes to get the president (when he sees the president at the White House, he thinks, no, that man's too young to be president, and he moves on). Then he uses the Washington Monument as a javelin to try and skewer Thor. Then he animates the statue of Lincoln! Finally, Thor defeats Mad Merlin by changing into Don Blake and convincing Merlin that he has shape-shifting powers and is thus a great wizard. And he threatens to destroy Merlin if he doesn't go into a coma again to be placed into his crypt. Merlin agrees and the menace is past. "MAD Merlin!" They should call him "DUMB Merlin!" And then there's one final panel where Dr. Blake and Nurse Jane are walking out of surgery and Jane is complimenting him because even though he might lose patients at the office, he's never lost one on the operating table. So, um, there's that. Commentary: The more I think about it, the more I find this story very frustrating. It has some pretty interesting elements. The idea of a mutant disguising his powers by pretending to be a sorcerer is actually very intriguing. And those flashback panels to Arthur's time! Those are great! I think about what this story could have been. But instead, we get Jane scolding Blake and another super-powerful bad guy taking control of a missile, and a dumb ending like something from a mediocre five-page story in the back of one of the monster comics. Although I must admit. I was laughing out loud at Mad Merlin using the Washington Monument like a spear and then animating the statue of Lincoln to beat up Thor.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 1, 2024 15:36:25 GMT -5
Journey into Mystery #96September 1963 "Mad Merlin!" Commentary: The more I think about it, the more I find this story very frustrating. It has some pretty interesting elements. The idea of a mutant disguising his powers by pretending to be a sorcerer is actually very intriguing. And those flashback panels to Arthur's time! Those are great! I think about what this story could have been. But instead, we get Jane scolding Blake and another super-powerful bad guy taking control of a missile, and a dumb ending like something from a mediocre five-page story in the back of one of the monster comics. Although I must admit. I was laughing out loud at Mad Merlin using the Washington Monument like a spear and then animating the statue of Lincoln to beat up Thor. Comments:This has to be the third or fourth time that Marvel comics uses a bluff to defeat the villain, And I think I hate it. I don't think that Merlin would just take Blakes word that he has magic stronger than him and just fold like he a chair. I do think that Merlin being a mutant is good thinking. Blake losing his medical practice is an interesting subplot which gets explored as the series goes on. It shows that there's a cost to being Thor. I found it amusing when Merlin bypassed JFK because he was too young.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 2, 2024 9:13:50 GMT -5
I'm enjoying reading this thread, guys, even though I am not a Thor fan. In particular, I especially find these early stories to be dire to the point of being basically unreadable. But nevertheless, it's fun seeing these comics through your eyes and reading your comments. Good work!
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2024 12:24:27 GMT -5
I'm enjoying reading this thread, guys, even though I am not a Thor fan. In particular, I especially find these early stories to be dire to the point of being basically unreadable. But nevertheless, it's fun seeing these comics through your eyes and reading your comments. Good work! It helps when you grade these stories on a curve. Now, if a comic came out in 2024 with the silly plots and leaps of illogic included in JIM 83-100, I would have to savage it severely.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2024 12:59:05 GMT -5
I'm enjoying reading this thread, guys, even though I am not a Thor fan. In particular, I especially find these early stories to be dire to the point of being basically unreadable. But nevertheless, it's fun seeing these comics through your eyes and reading your comments. Good work! It helps when you grade these stories on a curve. Now, if a comic came out in 2024 with the silly plots and leaps of illogic included in JIM 83-100, I would have to savage it severely. I could maybe do that (though my reviewing of these books is so sporadic that's ludicrous), but I choose not to do so. There are just too many people who pretend that these early Marvels are great literature that was fully thought out and above reproach for me to cut them much slack. I've even seen a few folk who refer to them (or certain aspects of them) as The Great American Novel. If you're going to give that kind of gravitas to funnybooks, the iconoclast in me is forced to knock them down.
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