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Post by kirby101 on Feb 2, 2024 13:15:00 GMT -5
Even on a curve of Marvel books in the early 60s, these are silly. You can tell with the other writers used (and I think the Stan Lee:Writer credit is more him getting paid than him doing story plotting, most likely he used ghosts) that they weren't thinking further than the next issue.
It gets better soon, when Stan and Kirby settle down and start trying to make it a more cohesive book.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2024 13:25:13 GMT -5
Even on a curve of Marvel books in the early 60s, these are silly. You can tell with the other writers used (and I think the Stan Lee:Writer credit is more him getting paid than him doing story plotting, most likely he used ghosts) that they weren't thinking further than the next issue. It gets better soon, when Stan and Kirby settle down and start trying to make it a more cohesive book. Oh, yeah. They're very bad. The only Marvel book that was worse was the Human Torch in Strange Tales. Ant-Man was also generally pretty bad, but it was less silly. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2024 14:09:35 GMT -5
I won't dispute that they are silly and nonsensical at some places. I guess I'm saying, I can have an enjoyable time watching Shindlers list and Cannonball run , while I wouldn't classify them both as enjoyable for the same reasons.
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Post by driver1980 on Feb 2, 2024 14:36:45 GMT -5
I won't dispute that they are silly and nonsensical at some places. I guess I'm saying, I can have an enjoyable time watching Shindlers list and Cannonball run , while I wouldn't classify them both as enjoyable for the same reasons. This is a really good statement, and I’ve said similar things myself. I can enjoy Police Academy for its own specific reasons, and the night after, I might watch, say, A Few Good Men. I can enjoy that, too. But I’m definitely enjoying the films as far as relaxing at home is concerned, but for different reasons. I guess one could use the analogy of food. I might enjoy a McDonalds meal one day, and then enjoy a potato and salad the day after, but I could hardly compare the two in the same way. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2024 15:02:10 GMT -5
I won't dispute that they are silly and nonsensical at some places. I guess I'm saying, I can have an enjoyable time watching Shindlers list and Cannonball run , while I wouldn't classify them both as enjoyable for the same reasons. This is a really good statement, and I’ve said similar things myself. I can enjoy Police Academy for its own specific reasons, and the night after, I might watch, say, A Few Good Men. I can enjoy that, too. But I’m definitely enjoying the films as far as relaxing at home is concerned, but for different reasons. I guess one could use the analogy of food. I might enjoy a McDonalds meal one day, and then enjoy a potato and salad the day after, but I could hardly compare the two in the same way. You get me, now if we could just do something about your wrestling fixation...  |
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Post by Calidore on Feb 2, 2024 15:14:29 GMT -5
I'm enjoying reading this thread, guys, even though I am not a Thor fan. In particular, I especially find these early stories to be dire to the point of being basically unreadable. But nevertheless, it's fun seeing these comics through your eyes and reading your comments. Good work! Same here.
I started reading Thor via the Epic Collections a little while ago, and decided to begin at the very beginning because, as I thought at the time, "It's still Thor, and Odin, and the other gods and mythological beings and stuff. How bad could it be?" Woof.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2024 16:20:32 GMT -5
Hahahha. You asked the question…
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 2, 2024 16:57:22 GMT -5
I won't dispute that they are silly and nonsensical at some places. I guess I'm saying, I can have an enjoyable time watching Shindlers list and Cannonball run , while I wouldn't classify them both as enjoyable for the same reasons. I didn't say I didn't enjoy reading them, their particular sillyness is part of the fun. |
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 2, 2024 16:59:07 GMT -5
Though I admit that those Strange Tales Human Torch books are a tough slog for me. The book improved 100% when Fury came on.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2024 17:08:59 GMT -5
Though I admit that those Strange Tales Human Torch books are a tough slog for me. The book improved 100% when Fury came on. I agree. Maybe that book was the dumbest of the dumb. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 2, 2024 17:14:11 GMT -5
I have an inexplicable fondness for all three of these early turkeys--Human Torch, Thor, Ant-Man--as well as early Iron Man. Yes, objectively speaking, they're abominable but when I was 5 they were magic. So when I re-read them for pleasure, as opposed to when I'm wearing my historian's hat, I see them through that 5-year-old's eyes and I'm filled with joy.
Cei-U!
But Robert Bernstein is still the devil's spawn!
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2024 17:39:55 GMT -5
I have an inexplicable fondness for all three of these early turkeys--Human Torch, Thor, Ant-Man--as well as early Iron Man. Yes, objectively speaking, they're abominable but when I was 5 they were magic. So when I re-read them for pleasure, as opposed to when I'm wearing my historian's hat, I see them through that 5-year-old's eyes and I'm filled with joy. Cei-U! But Robert Bernstein is still the devil's spawn! When we are young ,we are not sophisticated enough to know what is real and just impossible. I still say the panel where Thor throws a string of tanks connected by a chain, is great. |
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Post by Calidore on Feb 2, 2024 17:43:59 GMT -5
I have an inexplicable fondness for all three of these early turkeys--Human Torch, Thor, Ant-Man--as well as early Iron Man. Yes, objectively speaking, they're abominable but when I was 5 they were magic. So when I re-read them for pleasure, as opposed to when I'm wearing my historian's hat, I see them through that 5-year-old's eyes and I'm filled with joy. Cei-U! But Robert Bernstein is still the devil's spawn! I think the difference for me is that the Torch stories were boringly bad. The early Thor was at least not boring. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 2, 2024 19:01:37 GMT -5
Though I admit that those Strange Tales Human Torch books are a tough slog for me. The book improved 100% when Fury came on. As artist or writer? |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2024 19:06:39 GMT -5
Though I admit that those Strange Tales Human Torch books are a tough slog for me. The book improved 100% when Fury came on. As artist or writer?  |
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