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Post by zaku on Jan 26, 2024 6:19:32 GMT -5
I wanted to create this thread after I participated in the " Favourite Superman?" poll. which asked which of the "ages" of this character was the favorite and the classic choices were proposed: Golden, Silver, Bronze, and Modern. What some users have noticed is that, according to how these eras are usually divided, the Modern Age (currently underway) has lasted for 38 years now! In comparison (say for Superman), the Golden age lasted 17 years, the Silver Age 16 and the Copper Age 15 (the Silver and Golden a little less if we want to consider an "Atomic Age" as some do). 38 years is simply a long time to judge! The other detail is that, while each of the previous eras can be roughly grouped together stylistically, we certainly can't say the same about the Modern Era. No one would seriously say that a comic released in 1986 is stylistically the same as one released in 1993 which in turn is the same as one released today! So my question is, how would you further divide the Modern Age of comics, so that each of these divisions has traits that allow them to be classified in some way? EDIT: I found on Wikipedia these alternative schemes. I have to say some of them are interesting.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Jan 26, 2024 8:01:50 GMT -5
My off the cuff totally facetious response is this:
1980-1996 The Direct Market Age (covers the rise of the direct market's importance to comic industry through the Heroes World Fiasco that destroyed many of the distributors who shaped the direct market
1996-2010-The Diamond Age (named after the distributor who had a monopoly on the direct market and whose policies shaped comics in that era especially in their role as gatekeeper as to which publishers had a path to the market through them
2011-the Variant Event Relaunch Age (current era where publishing plans and sales are based upon use of variant covers, relaunches with new #1s and x-over events to sustain sales and viability of the line; the era of the new53, Marvel Now, etc.).
Absolutely zero thought was put into this just a spontaneous kneejerk reaction as to what has characterized the industry since 1980.
And I hate Modern as a descriptor for an age because things constantly change and what was modern in any given year is not necessarily what is modern after that and if something is far enough in the past it is no longer modern and needs a new name (I dislike the term Post-Modern as well, which always felt oxymoronic to me even if I liked a lot of the content that traditionally gets labeled post-modernism).
-M
edit to add my normal caveat on this that the characteristics used to define Golden Silver and Bronze only apply if you isolate comics to super-hero comics only-the trends cited as defining factors fall apart if you try to apply them to other genres of comics, but the hobby of comic collecting is hyper-focused on super-hero comics and most involved don't look past super-hero comics when making generalizations about comics in general.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2024 11:02:25 GMT -5
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Post by zaku on Jan 26, 2024 11:03:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2024 11:14:44 GMT -5
DCs New 52 started in 2011, I just round it off....
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Post by zaku on Jan 26, 2024 11:25:02 GMT -5
DCs New 52 started in 2011, I just round it off.... It makes sense 🤔
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jan 26, 2024 11:49:00 GMT -5
I've always thought "modern age" should have ended with the turn of the century. But I have no idea what would be a good label for future eras of publishing. Maybe the "digital age"??
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Post by MDG on Jan 26, 2024 14:54:55 GMT -5
Most of the younger people I see at comics shows now--as well as the shops that have opened in the past 5-10 years--seem as interested in small-press or indie comics, zines, etc. and are only marginally interested in DC/Marvel. Maybe "Maker Age"? "Indie Age"?
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Post by tonebone on Jan 26, 2024 15:11:27 GMT -5
DCs New 52 started in 2011, I just round it off.... Yeah everything post that point I would consider the "Landfill Era".
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 26, 2024 15:13:52 GMT -5
I don't.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 26, 2024 15:22:14 GMT -5
I consider 1985-1994 the Copper Age, and 1995-2010 as some unnamed era all its own. 1995 was the point where it was abundantly clear that the comic book market was crashing, and publishers and distributors responded by focusing their energies even more explicitly towards their niche, built in audiences instead of the general masses, which also opened the playing field further for smaller, independent publishers looking to stake their claims. The Hero World fiasco might be a great defining moment from which to begin this era. I realize this makes the Copper Age alarmingly short, but sometimes comic book history doesn't progress across neatly divided increments of time.
And, sure, DC's reboot in 2010 can work as a neat beginning point for the Modern Era, I suppose. I know I jumped ship at this point because it was such an easy jumping off point, though I have no idea if others did the same.
Edit: Just saw mrp's breakdowns, and I largely agree.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 26, 2024 15:57:44 GMT -5
Again, most of these "ages" are incredibly superhero-centric...which is particularly egregious in a time when most of the growth in comic sales and reading were focused in manga and in non-superhero comics. MDG at least recognizes this.
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Post by driver1980 on Jan 26, 2024 16:11:39 GMT -5
Not that I think the question is a bad one, but I believe the problem has already been highlighted by the likes of Slam. I feel it’d be easier - and I am not volunteering for this - to put a particular publisher into a category, but as for generic eras? Not really. Because while DC did “start again” in 2011, the rest of the comicbook world, including outside North America, wasn’t part of that.
If you’re dealing with a single entity, it’s easy. People might separate Doctor Who into eras based not only on the actors, but behind the scenes talent, so someone - and I read this at least once - mentioned the John Nathan-Turner Era, he being the producer on that show from 1980 until its cancellation in 1989. Sort of makes sense. But it wouldn’t make sense if we tried to come up with a description for an era representing *all* TV science-fiction.
Another example might be your favourite sports team. Perhaps, if I felt inclined, as an Aston Villa supporter, I might split it into managerial eras, e.g. Unai Emery is the current manager, but I might mention the Graham Taylor Era (1987-1990, and again in 2002-2003). Not that I do use such terminology when discussing football, but I could if I wanted to. That’d be simple. But could I split football itself into different eras? No. Because while the Premier League here in the UK was one thing, how do I know what was happening with, say, Ligue 1 (France) or Bundesliga (Germany)? Football might have been different (in some respects) in various countries even though the rules are universal.
So, if I stick with my analogy (which is probably a bad one), and we imagine DC Comics represents the Premier League, that’s just one entity, which is in a bubble. Arbitrary cut-off points for comicbook ages mean nothing in relation to manga, UK comics, independent publishers in Canada, etc.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 26, 2024 18:34:25 GMT -5
I say eliminate the entire "ages" paradigm completely, for all the reasons cited above. The medium is too disparate and wide-ranging to pigeonhole it with an outdated, genre-centric terminology. Organizing its output by decade should be adequate for a general discussion.
Cei-U! I summon the iconoclasm!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 26, 2024 18:46:22 GMT -5
I say eliminate the entire "ages" paradigm completely, for all the reasons cited above. The medium is too disparate and wide-ranging to pigeonhole it with an outdated, genre-centric terminology. Organizing its output by decade should be adequate for a general discussion. Cei-U! I summon the iconoclasm! I've pretty well come around to this way of thinking. I'll still use that nomenclature now and then, but it's mostly just shorthand for superhero funnybooks.
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