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Post by kirby101 on Mar 19, 2024 13:43:07 GMT -5
Great post MRP, Yes, it is so much more than what might have happened to the characters. No X Books, no Wolverine becoming their most popular character and a sales juggernaut and major movie ip.
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Post by james on Mar 19, 2024 14:31:20 GMT -5
The heroes have been discussed but what happens to the villains? Are they scattered to the 4 winds? Does Magneto become the FF’s second most dangerous villain? Juggernaut becomes a DD and Spidey villain ? Etc etc
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 19, 2024 15:30:20 GMT -5
I think none of the villains gain anymore traction than the had without the X Books being done. Maybe some writer plucks one to become a villain in another book. But no reason to think any would be made a major player in the MU.
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Post by jason on Mar 19, 2024 20:55:19 GMT -5
I can see Magneto being shifted to being an Iron Man villain. Come on, it's so obvious considering Magneto's master of magnetism power (they have had confrontations in the past, but he's not a regular IM villain).
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 19, 2024 21:52:04 GMT -5
Magneto's appearances in the late 60s and early 70s prior to the New X-Men relaunch were, for the most part at least, horrible. His Avengers appearances were forgettable at best, and his appearance in the Inhumans story in Amazing Adventures #10 was soooo terrible.
Maybe someone would have something good with him, but I think most of what people like about Magneto was developed by Claremont and company. He was really crap for a long time before they fixed him.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 20, 2024 7:52:17 GMT -5
Granted I wasn't around for the 70's revival of the X-Men, quite literally. And I have not read a whole lot of older X-Men nor know sales history for that time. But I would also cite the continued popularity of the X-Men with the second title, X-Men, coming on the scene with new young artists in the 90's. The 90's X-Men animated series got years and years of airings even after it came out. I think it was just as influential to people coming to comics as Batman:TAS was. Factor in comics cards bursting out in the 90's alongside sports cards (which almost everyone boy was into) and several of them being X-Men. I would say the 90's series helped keep the X-Men relevant to a new generation. I remember how big Fatal Attractions was among many, many other "earth shaking" crossover that came out in the 90's tying all the X-titles together. Might even be responsible for the fact that we had the Fox X-Men movies?
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Post by zaku on Mar 21, 2024 5:41:47 GMT -5
Magneto's appearances in the late 60s and early 70s prior to the New X-Men relaunch were, for the most part at least, horrible. His Avengers appearances were forgettable at best, and his appearance in the Inhumans story in Amazing Adventures #10 was soooo terrible. Maybe someone would have something good with him, but I think most of what people like about Magneto was developed by Claremont and company. He was really crap for a long time before they fixed him. And don't forget the Defenders. There he was the parody of the maniac laughter evil villain.  |
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 21, 2024 9:19:49 GMT -5
Magneto's appearances in the late 60s and early 70s prior to the New X-Men relaunch were, for the most part at least, horrible. His Avengers appearances were forgettable at best, and his appearance in the Inhumans story in Amazing Adventures #10 was soooo terrible. Maybe someone would have something good with him, but I think most of what people like about Magneto was developed by Claremont and company. He was really crap for a long time before they fixed him. Yup. Until Claremont, Mags was just another generic teeth-gnashing Marvel super-nogoodnik ("You dare defy the..." etc., etc.).
Cei-U! I summon the by-the-numbers baddie!
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Post by berkley on Mar 21, 2024 14:20:45 GMT -5
Magneto's appearances in the late 60s and early 70s prior to the New X-Men relaunch were, for the most part at least, horrible. His Avengers appearances were forgettable at best, and his appearance in the Inhumans story in Amazing Adventures #10 was soooo terrible. Maybe someone would have something good with him, but I think most of what people like about Magneto was developed by Claremont and company. He was really crap for a long time before they fixed him. Yup. Until Claremont, Mags was just another generic teeth-gnashing Marvel super-nogoodnik ("You dare defy the..." etc., etc.).
Cei-U! I summon the by-the-numbers baddie!
Yes, and the artists deserve some of the credit too. I think it started with Cockrum, but Byrne especially made the Corinthian helmet look as cool and menacing as it always should have done.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Mar 21, 2024 14:47:04 GMT -5
Yup. Until Claremont, Mags was just another generic teeth-gnashing Marvel super-nogoodnik ("You dare defy the..." etc., etc.). Don't entirely agree with that. I think some of the groundwork for making Magneto a more complex and three-dimensional character was laid by Roy Thomas and Neal Adams in the Savage Land story near the end of their run on the book. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 21, 2024 16:43:40 GMT -5
Yup. Until Claremont, Mags was just another generic teeth-gnashing Marvel super-nogoodnik ("You dare defy the..." etc., etc.). Don't entirely agree with that. I think some of the groundwork for making Magneto a more complex and three-dimensional character was laid by Roy Thomas and Neal Adams in the Savage Land story near the end of their run on the book. Yeah, I would go along with that, though not many of his colleagues followed through on that, until Claremont. |
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