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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 10, 2024 3:46:37 GMT -5
It's not about Liefeld. I'd object just as loudly to someone paying that kind of figure for a Kirby, Ditko, or Walt Kelly page. Hell, I think it's ridiculous what people will pay for some scribble on a bar napkin by Picasso. And don't even get me started on the obscene waste of money that is a Kardashian wedding!
Cei-U! I summon the perspective!
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 10, 2024 7:59:31 GMT -5
First, as commond says, Rob won't see a dime from this. Who is bashing Leifeld. We know the price for this has nothing to do with the good or bad qualities of his art. Hey, I hope he made a few million from the new Deadpool movie. We can legitimately criticize his art without saying he doesn't deserve the money it might generate. At least Rob originally sold this art, as oppose to the money that people get from art stolen from Kirby or Ditko.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 10, 2024 11:42:15 GMT -5
I have nothing against Rob, except his artwork and I am kidding here, in regards to putting it in a basement. I'm happy for him that he was able to be successful doing what he loved. Doesn't change the fact that his work consisted of the same pin-ups and bad anatomy; but, that's why you have other flavors of ice cream.
HOWEVER,
....the price is obscene. There is no real historical reason to command that kind of price, Rob isn't that level of an artist and in a world where children are being shot in schools, bombed and people are homeless and hungry, it just emphasizes how out touch priorities are. A 1930s cover original or even historically significant Silver Age covers, I could see that kind of price.
It's not Rob...it's the greed of the owner and the suckers who need to fill some hole in their life by spending money like that.
If it were 50 or a hundred years in the future and original comic book cover art was selling at these prices, I could understand it. That is history adding value to art. This is just either a psychological mess; or, as suggested, money laundering.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Aug 10, 2024 12:19:41 GMT -5
How much time has to pas before something is "historical" enough to have value? New Mutants 98 is 33 years old. Superman wasn't 33 years old when I was born but was already considered a historic, iconic figure and prices of material featuring his early appearances were already rising to what some people thought were obscene prices for something comic book related at that time. Usually something is considered old and historical if it was created before the person was born. There's a lot of people who were born after Deadpool's 1st appearance and are too young to have experienced it. The colors their perception of value. We're old. 1991 and Deadpool seem recent to us and still new, but it's no more new or recent than Superman or Batman were when most of us were born. And a lot older than anything Marvel except the Timely stuff was when we were born.
Perceptions of value change. The art market (as a whole, not just comic art) was considered undervalued for a long time and there was a huge market correction earlier this century, and the comic art market followed suit shortly thereafter. The pendulum may have swung too far in the opposite direction, and there may be another market correction on the horizon, but art prices (comic or otherwise) are never going to go back to what they were before the first market correction.
SOP is often to price something to see what the limits of the market are. I think this is the case with the Deadpool cover. Will the market bear that price for it? I doubt it, but we'll have to see. Is it an obscene price to pay? I think so, but that's a matter of opinion and perspective. I think paying $150 K for a handbag with the Louis Vuitton label on it is obscene as well, but people do it all the time if they have the money, and a lot more of those bags exist and are produced than a piece of original art. It's not my place to judge how other people spend their money (and it skirts on politics to discuss things like wealth divide, taxation etc. so we'll avoid that); I wouldn't spend it, but if someone else does, well that's out of my control. Could a lot of people be fed for that $7.5 million, sure, but you could feed a few families with basics for a week with the money you spent on that omnibus edition, Taschen edition or artist's edition, or new big screen TV or new smartphone or whatever, but you choose to buy those anyways because you can. I am not going to judge you, and I won't judge someone if they choose to buy this piece of art instead of using the money differently. The scale may be different, the principle is the same.
-M
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Post by james on Aug 10, 2024 16:20:12 GMT -5
So I guess I should put my HULK 181 and Spiderman 129 at 15-20 million?
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 10, 2024 17:24:25 GMT -5
So I guess I should put my HULK 181 and Spiderman 129 at 15-20 million? Do you own the original art for the covers of those issues?
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Post by james on Aug 10, 2024 17:37:12 GMT -5
Ok I take back what I said. I read it as the comic not the cover. For the cover maybe 1 million? And no I don’t have an the art to Spiderman 129 or Hulk 181😔
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 10, 2024 18:06:03 GMT -5
All right, all right, I give up.
I'll put New Mutants #98 in a Mylar bag. One never knows.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 11, 2024 12:17:42 GMT -5
All right, all right, I give up. I'll put New Mutants #98 in a Mylar bag. One never knows. I was going to say, "You took it out of the plastic bag?!?" but, that was X-Force #1. It's all a hideous blur, to me.
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 12, 2024 9:53:17 GMT -5
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Post by Confessor on Aug 12, 2024 11:51:27 GMT -5
It would've demanded a higher price for the feet!
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Post by commond on Aug 12, 2024 15:36:17 GMT -5
That's not the cover. I'm not sure what that is. This is the cover:
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 12, 2024 15:43:28 GMT -5
How much would it be worth if it wasn't going brown because it was inked with a cheap marker?
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 12, 2024 16:39:04 GMT -5
That's not the cover. I'm not sure what that is. This is the cover: I just looked at what was selling at Heritage in the next big auction. Sloppy research on my part.
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Post by commond on Aug 12, 2024 16:45:42 GMT -5
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