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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 2, 2014 18:02:16 GMT -5
That's a weird looking legion. Giffen was really experimenting with his style at that point. I prefer the more clean/polished Giffen art of the pre-Baxter series Legion era. |
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Post by MDG on Dec 2, 2014 19:35:41 GMT -5
That's a weird looking legion. Giffen was really experimenting with his style at that point. I prefer the more clean/polished Giffen art of the pre-Baxter series Legion era. I looooooooooove Giffen's style from this time. Unfortunately I was damn sick of the Legion. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Dec 2, 2014 20:02:14 GMT -5
Giffen was really experimenting with his style at that point. I prefer the more clean/polished Giffen art of the pre-Baxter series Legion era. I looooooooooove Giffen's style from this time. Unfortunately I was damn sick of the Legion. I think that was Keith's most impressive period as an artist, Munoz swipes notwithstanding. He really found his sweet spot, and Al Gordon's inks were the perfect touch for Keith's line. Once he parted ways with Gordon, his art really suffered throughout the '90s and '00s. I think he's had something good going on with Koblish over the past few years, but nothing compared to the late '80s-early '90s.
I love that Legion run. It was some truly ambitious storytelling, and when you consider some of the boneheaded editorial mandates that were thrust upon them anytime the wind shifted, the run seems even more impressive. Of course, it all fell apart when Keith left.
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Post by berkley on Dec 2, 2014 21:40:41 GMT -5
I prefer the earlier Giffen styler as well, but admit that I haven't seen much if anything of this later Legions run, even online.
Just out of curiosity, was this around the same time that the Avengers were also given team windbreakers?
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 2, 2014 23:02:56 GMT -5
I looooooooooove Giffen's style from this time. Unfortunately I was damn sick of the Legion. I think that was Keith's most impressive period as an artist, Munoz swipes notwithstanding. He really found his sweet spot, and Al Gordon's inks were the perfect touch for Keith's line. Once he parted ways with Gordon, his art really suffered throughout the '90s and '00s. I think he's had something good going on with Koblish over the past few years, but nothing compared to the late '80s-early '90s.
I love that Legion run. It was some truly ambitious storytelling, and when you consider some of the boneheaded editorial mandates that were thrust upon them anytime the wind shifted, the run seems even more impressive. Of course, it all fell apart when Keith left.
I am glad Giffen and the Bierbaums were eventually kicked off though. Giffen's eventual plans for the book if he had stayed on would have been disastrous. |
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Post by Paradox on Dec 3, 2014 2:28:03 GMT -5
Enjoyable for a little while, but did WAY too much damage to the team in the long run....  It was greatness, but mostly aimed at the hardest of hard-core Legion fans. Very polarizing, most either adored it or hated it with a passion. |
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Post by Paradox on Dec 3, 2014 2:31:37 GMT -5
I prefer the earlier Giffen styler as well, but admit that I haven't seen much if anything of this later Legions run, even online. Just out of curiosity, was this around the same time that the Avengers were also given team windbreakers? Previous to. But the jackets weren't worn that much, not as much as they were in the Avengers "jacket years" (which was less than people remember, even). I think everyone was just sprucing up for the photo.  |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 3, 2014 9:55:12 GMT -5
I prefer the earlier Giffen styler as well, but admit that I haven't seen much if anything of this later Legions run, even online. Just out of curiosity, was this around the same time that the Avengers were also given team windbreakers? Previous to. But the jackets weren't worn that much, not as much as they were in the Avengers "jacket years" (which was less than people remember, even). I think everyone was just sprucing up for the photo. Yes, and the jacket part was symptomatic of that version of the team: the members enjoyed being around friends again, but had outgrown the colourful costumes and secret handshakes and whatnot… Cham was enthusiastically trying to give the group a certain look (with the uniforms), a certain team spirit, but it wasn't working all that well (which is probably why he took the first opportunity to desert it for the younger Legionnaires). I enjoyed the first 40 or so issues of that title tremendously. It read far more like an intricate SF novel than a superhero comic. What eventually brought it down is an overabundance of angst and destruction; sure, it's good to have characters face adversity... but there's only so many dead or crippled friends, blown-up Earths and periods of depression that you can endure before asking yourself "why am I reading this? It's too painful!" |
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Post by Confessor on Dec 3, 2014 9:55:38 GMT -5
I must confess that I haven't read all seven pages of this thread, but I'm guessing that someone must've already mentioned the Mephisto/One More Day clusterf**k in Amazing Spider-Man. That was a terrible thing to have to read your all-time favourite superhero going through. It still makes me scratch my head and wonder what the hell they were thinking today and, truth be told, the bad taste that those events left has never fully disappeared from the comic. Although there's been some great Spidey comics published since One More Day (and a whole lot of crap ones), Spider-Man really hasn't been the same since.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 3, 2014 10:01:07 GMT -5
I must confess that I haven't read all seven pages of this thread, but I'm guessing that someone must've already mentioned the Mephisto/One More Day clusterf**k in Amazing Spider-Man. That was a terrible thing to have to read your all-time favourite superhero going through. It still makes me scratch my head and wonder what the hell they were thinking today and, truth be told, the bad taste that those events left has never fully disappeared from the comic. Although there's been some great Spidey comics published since One More Day (and a whole lot of crap ones), Spider-Man really hasn't been the same since. It was discussed, in depth, a couple pages ago. |
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Post by Confessor on Dec 3, 2014 10:07:04 GMT -5
It was discussed, in depth, a couple pages ago. Ah, cool. I thought it would've been. I'll track back and have a read then. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 3, 2014 11:02:39 GMT -5
It was discussed, in depth, a couple pages ago. Ah, cool. I thought it would've been. I'll track back and have a read then. No worry. There's always room for a little more OMD-hatin'. God, what a horrible idea that was... |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 3, 2014 11:10:54 GMT -5
Red Sonja is a character whose rebranding seems to have been very successful.
According to Wikipedia, she's not the original Sonja (a concept I have no problem with, since obviously her current publisher couldn't use the Marvel Conan continuity) and has gone back to her iron bikini look.
I have zero interest in a mag vaguely inspired by Robert Howard that uses characters from the %$# Conan movie (Thulsa Doom???), but this new incarnation has outlasted her original mag several times over, now.
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Post by Paradox on Dec 3, 2014 12:25:22 GMT -5
Thulsa Doom is OK, but he's a Kull villain, centuries before Conan and contemporaries.
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Post by fanboystranger on Dec 3, 2014 12:40:35 GMT -5
I think that was Keith's most impressive period as an artist, Munoz swipes notwithstanding. He really found his sweet spot, and Al Gordon's inks were the perfect touch for Keith's line. Once he parted ways with Gordon, his art really suffered throughout the '90s and '00s. I think he's had something good going on with Koblish over the past few years, but nothing compared to the late '80s-early '90s.
I love that Legion run. It was some truly ambitious storytelling, and when you consider some of the boneheaded editorial mandates that were thrust upon them anytime the wind shifted, the run seems even more impressive. Of course, it all fell apart when Keith left.
I am glad Giffen and the Bierbaums were eventually kicked off though. Giffen's eventual plans for the book if he had stayed on would have been disastrous. Giffen left because he felt that no one really cared what they were doing with the title. He's joked in the past that he blew up Earth just to see if anyone in editorial was paying attention to the book. He wasn't kicked off the book.
Bierbaums were kicked off, but that was a year and a half later. Plus, the first dozen or so Legionnaires issues. It was a mercy killing at that point, although the few issue between them leaving and the "End of an Era" stories that lead into Zero Hero are very rough.
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