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Post by tolworthy on Mar 9, 2016 23:44:04 GMT -5
I believe you are correct. I read an interview with Berry and he said he was just inking what was on the page. In hindsight it is obvious that Royer was investing a lot of time and energy into his inks on Kirby. The best inkers always improve the art. (Whether they are paid enough to justify that is a different story.) My all time favourite superhero comics are the Perez Fantastic Four issues, and he is very open about how Sinnott fixed a lot of his character work. |
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Post by tolworthy on Mar 9, 2016 23:46:23 GMT -5
Looks like he was emphasising the most dramatic frame on each page. Kind of like adding an extra exclamation point. where two frames competed for most dramatic he seems to prefer the close up one. |
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Post by berkley on Mar 10, 2016 1:47:31 GMT -5
I think the samples of Kirby's uninked pencils we've seen in things like the Kirby Collector confirm that Mike Royer was one of, if not the most faithful of Kirby's inkers in the strict sense that he didn't add or subtract much from the lines Kirby put down on the page.
But I think there's another sense in which some others, like Joe Sinnott, and even, Heaven help me, Vince Colletta, sometimes captured something Royer didn't, and that's the nuances of shading that come through in the pencils but aren't often there in Royer's inks (which I love): everything in Mike Royer's inks is solid black, which means it sometimes lacks the texture I see in inkers like Sinnott, Colletta (on Thor, not so much the New Gods stuff), or John Verpoorten (on the early Eternals issues).
Still, I probably wouldn't want Royer to have been replaced on any of the Kirby comics he inked. He did a great job.
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 20, 2016 21:42:27 GMT -5
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Post by berkley on Mar 24, 2016 17:02:33 GMT -5
OMAC was one of Kirby's best, IMO. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 24, 2016 17:05:18 GMT -5
OMAC was one of Kirby's best, IMO. I'm re-reading OMAC, too! The first couple pages just freaking floored me. I'd put them against anything in comics, ever. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 24, 2016 18:01:30 GMT -5
OMAC was one of Kirby's best, IMO. I like a lot of Kirby's work, and while I can appreciate what he was trying to do with OMAC, it's not exactly one of my favorites. I really don't have much of a negative/positive reaction to the majority of his later DC work outside of The Demon, which I like a lot |
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Post by berkley on Mar 24, 2016 20:30:22 GMT -5
OMAC was one of Kirby's best, IMO. I'm re-reading OMAC, too! The first couple pages just freaking floored me. I'd put them against anything in comics, ever. Yeah, it really is a unique piece of work and deserves a lot more attention than it gets - and certainly from more qualified writers than Dan wassisname, the head guy at DC. |
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Post by earl on Mar 24, 2016 21:49:25 GMT -5
One thing I came across and started wondering was if Arthur Clarke or Stanley Kubrick ever saw some of Jack Kirby's 2001 comics?
I'd think it somewhat possible that they might have seen the comics, as Marvel had to license the property and usual book practice would be for copies of the media would get sent back to whoever was the company that had the rights (most likely the Film studio). Whether or not then those sample comics would go through other agents literary or otherwise back to Clark or Kubrick, that is hard to say.
As someone that has read quite a bit of Arthur Clarke, I would have to think he would dig them on some level more in the futurist visions in the artwork. Whether or not Clarke knew of Jack Kirby, that's hard to say.
I don't know much at all about Kubrick other than the guy directed some amazing movies. Beyond the stories and plots, I think those are some of the most immaculately filmed and edited features. I don't have any idea into Kubrick's persona or interests outside of his film work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 13:42:17 GMT -5
I was watching an interview with Joe Sinnott on Comic Archives last night and he was talking about working with Kirby. What I found amazing is that in all the years they worked together, he only ever interacted with Kirby on 2 occasions in his life. They started working together in 1962, but Sinnott never met or even spoke withJack on the phone until 1972 when they were introduced at a convention. He didn't meet Jack again until Marvel had it's big NY con in the mid 70s and that was the last time he spoke with Jack. Never spoke on the phone even though they worked on the same books all those years.
Kind of floored me, especially in our modern instant access communication era how isolated people could be or how much effort it took to communicate then, and it seems striking they would work so well together on all those pages without ever actually discussing the work, but it is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 13:44:08 GMT -5
Here's the piece if anyone is interested...
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Post by Warmonger on Apr 13, 2016 13:59:05 GMT -5
Still have never gotten around to reading his New Gods series.
Keep meaning to check it out.
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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Apr 14, 2016 11:01:02 GMT -5
Still have never gotten around to reading his New Gods series. Keep meaning to check it out. Tempted to ship you my copies lol. It really is required reading, especially for Kirby fans. There is a six-issue reprint version of New Gods that can be had for pennies compared to the omnibus or original issues. It also includes the new ending.  |
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Post by Warmonger on Apr 14, 2016 11:26:19 GMT -5
Still have never gotten around to reading his New Gods series. Keep meaning to check it out. Tempted to ship you my copies lol. It really is required reading, especially for Kirby fans. There is a six-issue reprint version of New Gods that can be had for pennies compared to the omnibus or original issues. It also includes the new ending. Yeah, seems to be highly recommended by everyone. Always loved Kirby as an artist (who doesn't?) but I never owned much of his material that he both wrote and penciled. Over the last 2-3 months, I've read the first 26 issues of his Kamandi run and can't believe it slipped past me as a kid in the 70's. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 14, 2016 11:41:04 GMT -5
In yesterday's Captain America 75th Anniversary Magazine, Kirby was of course heavily mentioned. There was also an interview with Joe Simon's son, Jim. Before Joe passed in 2011, he got to see First Avenger, he told Jim that he really wished Jack had been there to see it with him
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