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Post by MDG on Aug 28, 2020 13:20:42 GMT -5
Y'know, it's only been during this summer as I've read/re-read Demon and New Gods that I've realized how much Kirby wanted to leave behind--and often ignored--the expectations of the usual "superhero comic". Expectations from both readers and publishers. It's a shame that he was ten years ahead of the curve.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 28, 2020 13:44:36 GMT -5
Happy 101 anniversary of the King's birth!  -M I agree with the sentiment. But it's 103. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 13:46:28 GMT -5
Happy 101 anniversary of the King's birth! -M I agree with the sentiment. But it's 103. I should have checked my sources, they said 101. Mea culpa. -M |
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Post by berkley on Aug 28, 2020 15:54:26 GMT -5
Y'know, it's only been during this summer as I've read/re-read Demon and New Gods that I've realized how much Kirby wanted to leave behind--and often ignored--the expectations of the usual "superhero comic". Expectations from both readers and publishers. It's a shame that he was ten years ahead of the curve. Yes, and this is one reason the New Gods and the Eternals don't work well in the superhero universes of the companies that own those intellectual properties: writers try to fit them into a set of superhero paradigms that don't apply to them, either writing them as superheroes, a role in which they never feel quite right, or using them as foils in order to show how morally superior the actual superhero characters are by contrast - see most recently, the Eternals' appearance in Aaron's Avengers (from what I can tell by online descriptions).
So he was much more than ten years ahead, I would say - because he's still ahead of the curve, as recent examples demonstrate.
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 29, 2020 16:36:56 GMT -5
I read this True Believers the other night that was part of the 100th Kirby anniversary and it was a lot of fun. The first intro story and another from Strange Tales, neither had I run across before though I had more than a smattering of Shield issues once. The flying cars, the life model decoys, the Heli-carrier, and Hydra were all in that first 12 page installment; talk about packed with ideas!  |
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Post by tarkintino on Aug 29, 2020 16:48:36 GMT -5
Y'know, it's only been during this summer as I've read/re-read Demon and New Gods that I've realized how much Kirby wanted to leave behind--and often ignored--the expectations of the usual "superhero comic". Expectations from both readers and publishers. It's a shame that he was ten years ahead of the curve.Which is why he tried his hand at the magazine format with DC's Spirit World and Harvey's In the Days of the Mob, which were as "Un-Marvel" as you could get. I wonder why he did not go to Warren, since that was where many mainstream comic talents explored a world of things that would rarely find their way in DC or Marvel titles. |
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Post by Rob Allen on Aug 31, 2020 12:53:30 GMT -5
Y'know, it's only been during this summer as I've read/re-read Demon and New Gods that I've realized how much Kirby wanted to leave behind--and often ignored--the expectations of the usual "superhero comic". Expectations from both readers and publishers. It's a shame that he was ten years ahead of the curve.Which is why he tried his hand at the magazine format with DC's Spirit World and Harvey's In the Days of the Mob, which were as "Un-Marvel" as you could get. I wonder why he did not go to Warren, since that was where many mainstream comic talents explored a world of things that would rarely find their way in DC or Marvel titles. was DC also, and was just as badly packaged as Spirit World. I don't think Kirby did anything for Harvey after 1958 or so. Kirby at Warren would have been interesting. Another possibility that I wrote about in the "Your What-ifs" thread was Kirby joining Sol Brodsky at Skywald. |
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Post by MDG on Aug 31, 2020 14:04:15 GMT -5
Which is why he tried his hand at the magazine format with DC's Spirit World and Harvey's In the Days of the Mob, which were as "Un-Marvel" as you could get. I wonder why he did not go to Warren, since that was where many mainstream comic talents explored a world of things that would rarely find their way in DC or Marvel titles. was DC also, and was just as badly packaged as Spirit World. I don't think Kirby did anything for Harvey after 1958 or so. Kirby at Warren would have been interesting. Another possibility that I wrote about in the "Your What-ifs" thread was Kirby joining Sol Brodsky at Skywald. At the time, being on the west coast probably limited his opportunities, since the industry was still based largely in NYC. And I don't know that either Warren or Skywald would've provided the stability Kirby probably wanted at that stage of his life.
Of course, the industry was pretty risk-averse and short-sighted at the time.
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 18, 2020 11:15:54 GMT -5
Kirby returned to Marvel in 1958 after his comic line with Joe Simon didn't work out and a short stint at DC creating Challengers and Green Arrow. His first work was Strange Worlds #1  And was followed by all those Monster books we love. But the important thing is he was there for Martin Goodman to tell Stan to launch a Super Hero Team book, unleashing one the greatest period of comic book creativity we have seen. It was the right person in the right place at the right time. But it was very serendipitous. If.. If Joe Maneely hadn't died in that train accident, Stan would have used him instead of Kirby. If Mainline Comics survived, Jack would have stayed with his own books. If DC kept Kirby on, he would have been constrained by their more writer-centric production. The stars really did align for the Marvel Silver Age and it's co-creator. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2021 19:35:13 GMT -5
Happy 104th anniversary of the birth of King Kirby!  -M |
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Post by profh0011 on Aug 29, 2021 14:09:28 GMT -5
Great article on Michael Hill's new book, "ACCORDING TO JACK KIRBY".
This is the ONLY book I've bought so far this entire year.
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 2, 2021 21:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 4, 2021 8:32:53 GMT -5
...I don't see anything that gets at the " TRUTH" there, it all seems very circumstantial at best making it so that whatever your notions before reading it will be unchanged after you read it. |
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Post by Confessor on Oct 4, 2021 13:13:28 GMT -5
If NOT, then I HIGHLY reccomend-- DON'T bother. And don't bother kvetching about it, either. This is an open discussion forum. It is not for you to dictate who can or can't reply to your posts and neither is it up to you to advise them on what they can or can't say. This is a friendly, welcoming and civil forum and, frankly, your above post comes across as being a bit rude. Please be a little more mindful of your tone in future, please. Thank you. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 22:38:32 GMT -5
Today is the 105th anniversary of the birth of Jack Kirby!  The King endures! -M |
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