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Post by zaku on Sept 24, 2022 3:10:25 GMT -5
Seriously, while I can imagine how the kids of that time were crazy about these absurd stories and today we enjoy reading them precisely because they are absurd, I understand why if an adult at the time had appreciated them in a non-ironic way, others would have thought that he was some kind of a weirdo. I honestly know practically nothing of post-CCA 1950s American non-superhero comic production, but I doubt much of it would have been appreciated by adults too. Perhaps some war comics? Honestly, I really am enjoying most of them (well, maybe not last issue...) precisely because the imagination is so big and wild that it makes me feel like a kid again. Same reason I continue to defend Secret Wars as being great reading. Oh I get it! Mine was a curiosity about how an adult reading them in the 1950s would be perceived! And I doubt it would have made him feel "a kid", considering that they were kids in the 30s, so with a totally different pop culture and collective imaginary.
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Post by zaku on Sept 23, 2022 5:34:17 GMT -5
Seriously, while I can imagine how the kids of that time were crazy about these absurd stories and today we enjoy reading them precisely because they are absurd, I understand why if an adult at the time had appreciated them in a non-ironic way, others would have thought that he was some kind of a weirdo.
I honestly know practically nothing of post-CCA 1950s American non-superhero comic production, but I doubt much of it would have been appreciated by adults too. Perhaps some war comics?
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Post by zaku on Sept 23, 2022 5:26:20 GMT -5
Did anybody have this back in the day?
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Post by zaku on Sept 22, 2022 17:59:45 GMT -5
Hey, do you remember that 50s' movie with Jerry Lewis where everyone treats him as a weirdo because he's an adult who reads comics?
They were right.
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Post by zaku on Sept 19, 2022 8:54:53 GMT -5
Did readers know during (and immediately) before Crisis that characters like Superman and Wonder Woman would be rebooted? Was it supposed to be a surprise that it was only revealed in the latest issue of COIE? Was it common knowledge? Because if they already knew, people obviously didn't buy their titles anymore.
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Post by zaku on Sept 19, 2022 8:11:15 GMT -5
Has anyone ever denied that COIE was a gimmick to boost sales? Obviously it wasn't something they could write on the ads ("Buy Crisis and the titles after the reboot because we need your money!") but the ultimate motivation was clear.
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Post by zaku on Sept 18, 2022 8:24:41 GMT -5
But should we trust sales figures for DC as cited by Marvel executives?? Cei-U! I summon the suspicious source! Also, do those sales figures include non-returnable direct sales books or just what was sold through traditional distributors? Either way, it's surprising to see Hawkman that high up, The only title for that period that I can find is this special And before that this one I admit to being completely ignorant. What was the opinion of the readers on the character before COIE? Cool? Lame? Needed a reboot?
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Post by zaku on Sept 18, 2022 5:59:56 GMT -5
But should we trust sales figures for DC as cited by Marvel executives?? Cei-U! I summon the suspicious source! Excellent question. However, surely there must have been some problems, otherwise they certainly wouldn't have done COIE, right? Sure, the official motive was to "simplify" the DC Universe, but evidently because they thought it was the complexity of it that alienated readers. In the end it is always a question of money. How well the sales of the individual titles were doing, I think a good indicator is how much the individual characters have been modified by COIE. New Teen Titans went on pretty much like nothing had happened. Wonder Woman started from scratch.
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Post by zaku on Sept 18, 2022 5:48:08 GMT -5
A question about Bronze Age Superman powers. Did he lose them immediately when he was exposed to a red sun? On the other hand, did he get them back immediately under a yellow sun? Was it like some kind of switch? (Post Crisis the whole process was a lot slower I believe...)
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Post by zaku on Sept 17, 2022 19:33:55 GMT -5
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Post by zaku on Sept 17, 2022 19:26:38 GMT -5
October 1984
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Post by zaku on Sept 17, 2022 9:00:14 GMT -5
I would guess that during COIE, DC was literally in crisis. There was not this clear, well planned road map going forward, they were trying to restart their languishing superhero line (except for Batman). So depending on the editor, I don't see it surprising that they took a year to reboot their signature hero. Thank you. I would really like to read a well reasoned timeline which details what happened with the transition from Pre-COIE to Post COIE.
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Post by zaku on Sept 17, 2022 4:42:25 GMT -5
I was reading that they practically offered Byrne the job to revive Superman in 1985, which is to say in full Crisis! I mean, did they know they wanted to revive the character but hadn't clarified the details?
In fact, I was wondering why the Superman titles lasted so long after Crisis and before the reboot (almost a year right)?
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Post by zaku on Sept 15, 2022 4:11:59 GMT -5
While this was the first time Batman and Superman had to impersonate each other to protect their secret identities, it certainly wouldn't be the last, and I wonder if this same easy/tired trope hadn't already played out in their own respective titles. Of course, Superman had neither robot doubles nor Mon El with which to throw Lois off the scent yet, so maybe this really was the first time such an obvious plot had been tried. Uh!?! I didn't know it! When did Mon-El impersonate the Man Of Steel? I remember that sometime Kandorians impersonated him.
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Post by zaku on Sept 14, 2022 9:28:24 GMT -5
Well, and what difference it makes for the readers? None I guess. I just liked having these "imaginary" stories told on more or less disposable worlds. I know how DC operates, now, and if this comic sells, there will be a whole line of comics on that world, with their own continuity, until it's run into the ground. See "Injustice". And, yes, they are all imaginary stories. And yes, it makes no difference to the reader. Well, technically all the Elseworlds happened in parallel worlds or Hypertime branches or whatever. Some characters appeared in crossover events (like Arena, Convergence and so on) too.
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