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Post by Confessor on Sept 16, 2024 6:09:57 GMT -5
It's always remarkable looking back at early Lee comics how text heavy they were! I like Stan Lee's dialogue a lot, but he definitely had a tendency to overwrite on occasion -- especially during fight scenes, when it's already quite clear what is happening from the art alone. That said, on a page like the one you quoted above, I think the dialogue is definitely doing the heavy lifting narratively and rightly so, as the art on its own doesn't impart much information. '60s comics generally where quite dense dialogue-wise, but I don't really mind that: you certainly get your money's worth from each issue.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 15, 2024 4:53:32 GMT -5
I remember the Tripods, but I never saw it. I would've only been a little kid at the time and it was aimed at adults predominantly, so I think it was on at a later time. I might've been in bed by then.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 14, 2024 7:49:24 GMT -5
My smart-ass answer would be "Marvelman becoming Miracleman". But, I'm gonna go with... Jean Grey/Marvel Girl became Phoenix
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Post by Confessor on Sept 14, 2024 7:37:30 GMT -5
JMS wrote that Superman book, right? I didn't get what all the fuss was about. Babylon 5 was boring so I didn't watch much of it, but comics fans raved about Rising Stars and Midnight Nation, but they were really boring, especially the latter. I tried the first few issues of his Spidey run, but again, boring. Credit where it's due, Sense8 was entertaining, if odd. Did he ever write any genuinely good comics? Personally, I think his run on Amazing Spider-Man was one of the best runs in the character's history. Definitely Top 10...and maybe even Top 5 (shame about the editorially mandated clusterf*ck ending though). Also, The Twelve limited-series, about a group of Timely Golden Age heroes awakened in our modern era, which he did with artist Chris Weston, was fantastic.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 14, 2024 7:12:14 GMT -5
THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 41 (reprinted in Marvel Tales 180) The reprinted cover includes some additional debris at the top from the wall Rhino is smashing. Not sure if these details would have been something that was actually penciled and inked, but just obscured when the ASM original logo was pasted on. The original cover actually has Rhino’s head and horn covering part of the title logo, like he’s coming right out at you which I really like! I think this is one of the rare instances where I actually prefer the Marvel Tales cover to the original. I think having more of the wall that Rhino is breaking through visible is aesthetically more pleasing, even if, ultimately, it slightly spoils the impression that the Rhino is charging towards the reader. Aunt May contemplates selling her home and moving in with Anna Watson, now that her niece Mary Jane has moved out. Apparently Anna's husband who was mentioned once a while back is no longer in the picture either, I suppose. Moving Peter out of Aunt May's house, so that he can get a pad with his friend Harry Osborn – which this is the first indication of – was a very smart move on Stan Lee's part. I feel like the set up of having him living at home with May and having to sneak around to conceal his identity as Spider-Man had gone as far as it could and was a little played out by this point. Peter moving out to hang with his friends in the city show how he is maturing and opens up a lot of story potential. For anyone wondering about Peter's age, according to Anna Watson, he's almost twenty Concerning Anna Watson's comment about Peter's age, I'm with Cei-U! on this – I think it's a bit of an exaggeration. To be fair, this sort of thing does happen sometimes when older folks think you're too old to be acting in a certain way. My old Dad used to add a year or two to my age whenever he was admonishing me for not acting my age: "You're almost 18, for Heaven's sake!", he'd say – I was 16. Meanwhile, Peter prepares to make a big change himself, as he gets ready to buy a new motorcycle with a credit reference from J. Jonah Jameson. Peter Parker's motorcycle sticks around for a couple years, and has never really been referenced much since, but it was a really big part of these early John Romita era stories. I love Peter getting a motorcycle. Again, it made him seem more grown up and gave him a degree of independence that he had not had until then. It's also nice for the reader to see Peter happy for a change and actually managing to achieve something that brings him a lot of joy. I also like that Stan and John are careful not to give him an amazing looking motorcycle: it very much looks like a budget motorbike of the era, which makes sense when you consider that he's a student with a part-time photography job. It's only a little thing, but realistic touches like this help ground Spider-Man in a degree of real-world authenticity that you didn't tend to get quite so much in other Marvel superhero comics of the era. In the original issues, Peter’s new motorcycle is a brownish colour that later gets a new red paint job a few issues later. Here Andy Yanchus colours it red right from the start. He’ll admit in a later issue letter column that he forgot about the story where the bike was repainted and just assumed that it was always red. Yeah, Yanchus messed up! For some reason this (relatively small) mistake of Yanchus's really annoys me. I mean, good God man…you're re-colouring one of the most popular and influential comic series of the 1960s. Do your damn research! I really don't know why this little error annoys me as much as it does…but it does! J.J.J's son, astronaut John Jameson finally makes his return. John was introduced way back in Amazing Spider-man 1, alongside his father, but really hasn't been seen or even referenced since then. For readers who didn't read that early appearance, or simply forgot about that story forty issues back, John Romita re-creates that classic scene, originally drawn by Steve Ditko, where Spider-man performs his first daring rescue. Though his son is willing to give Spider-man a fair chance, J.Jonah Jameson's opinion of the web-spinner has not changed. He's even got a Spider-man dart board in his office, though he doesn't seem to have gotten any good hits. These scenes between John Jameson and his farther are fascinating and help to reinforce JJJ's motive for hating Spider-Man, which is that he feels that he upstaged his son and stole his glory. It's also a nice juxtaposition to have John liking Spider-Man, in complete contrast to his farther. This is an example, I feel, of Stan writing to his teenage readership and referencing the generation gap. We saw this recurring motif of the older generation being at odds with the youngsters on a few occasions in earlier issues of ASM, but it disappeared during the last part of Ditko's run – Ditko was most definitely not down with the kids! So, it's nice to have that young vs. old character dynamic popping up again; it feels very Sixties. I should point out that it looks like he's throwing darts at a Steve Ditko drawing, (but don't read too much in to that)! Ha ha! Well spotted. I'd never noticed that. Of course, knowing what a salesman Stan was, it's just as likely to be a bit of in-story promotion for the recently launched Spider-Man pin-up poster. Maybe not though…maybe it was a subtle dig at Ditko. In addition to flashbacks of the earlier adventure, new scenes of a more recent spaceflight show that John Jameson was exposed to mysterious spores which make him a person of scientific interest to both his own country and also to other, hostile nations. I suspect the "space spores" were inspired by the mysterious flashing lights or "fireflies" that astronaut John Glenn reported seeing outside his Mercury space capsule while he was in low Earth orbit in February 1962. Certainly, the capsule John Jameson is show to be flying here (and in Amazing Spider-Man #1) is a Mercury era capsule. In reality, the "fireflies" turned out to be nothing more than frozen droplets of water that had broken free from the surface of the capsule as it passed from the dark part of its orbit to the part in the sun. It was just sunlight illuminating the loose bits of frost floating around the ship, which gave them the appearances of twinkling lights or "fireflies". This mysterious phenomenon was widely reported in the press in the early Sixties though, with attendant speculation that the tiny glowing "creatures" could be alien. So, I'm sure that Stan and John would've heard about this. When the Rhino kidnaps John Jameson, Spider-man jumps into action forgetting his own troubles. The Rhino is a tough character and John Romita gets a few pages which allow him to go crazy with lots of cool shots of Spider-man leaping around trying to avoid getting clobbered by his new foe! Surprisingly Spider-man manages to defeat the Rhino with only his usual combination of agility, webbing and good-old-fashioned spider-strength. I've always had a soft spot for the Rhino. As the first original villain that the Lee/Romita team produced, I think he's pretty good – though clearly not a patch on some of Lee and Ditko's earlier villains. Of course, Rhino will become a much more nuanced and three-dimensional character in subsequent decades, due to later writers, but even here, as a terrifyingly strong muscleman for a foreign power, he works well enough. I also like that his origin is completely shrouded in mystery at this point. Overall, this was another fun issue. The Lee/Romita team really feels like a breath of fresh air after a year or so of Ditko-penned stories. As I say, I rather like the Rhino as a villain and the scenes with John Jameson and his dad are fun. There's also plenty of good soap opera moments, and Romita's artwork continues to look fantastic. Actually, Romita hinted in a 1966 interview that risqué fetish artist Bill Ward had pencilled a few pages in this issue, due to deadline pressure, with Romita touching the pages up afterwards (it was probably in the big fight scene with the Rhino). That fight sequence is very well drawn, with some great dynamic poses and lots of bone-crunching action, which would've been at least partly down to Ward's input. But yeah, who would've thought that a saucy, good girl artist like Bill Ward would've worked on Spider-Man?!
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Post by Confessor on Sept 13, 2024 11:34:16 GMT -5
This was a really good continuation of the story.. it feels like it's moving forward without leaving loose ends. The trick is it seems ALOT has happened 'off camera' so if feels a bit like I missed something. Yeah, an awful lot has happened "off camera" since the end of Dark Empire. While it is tempting to see that as a bit of a lazy cop out, writing-wise, it's actually exactly how stuff happens in the SW movies themselves. I mean, between the end of the original Star Wars film and start The Empire Strikes Back the Rebels had abandoned their base on Yavin 4 and set up a new base on Hoth, plus there are references to a bounty hunter that Han ran into on Ord Mantell. That said, it's not like we had random characters like Kam Solusar introduced out of nowhere in ESB, but at least stuff happening while we, the reader, has been away is kind of Star Wars-y. the Empire's new secret weapon is drone fighters with the brains of dead aces flying them with Dark Side-ness. The LOOK suitably dangerous and creepy, that's for sure. I love the idea of drone fighters, piloted by the brains of dead TIE Fighter aces. I agree that the drones look pretty cool from a design standpoint. Overall, especially after Tales of the Jedi, this was like a breath of fresh air. I agree. TOTJ isn't actually bad, but it's just not a patch on these tales centering around the original cast. Kam getting found happens in on of the Kevin Anderson novels I'm pretty sure (He appears in 2 of the three in the series), so we have a bit more integration that we did with Heir to the Empire. I didn't know that. Which Kevin J. Anderson novels does that happen in? Were they out at this point? I tend to think of them coming out a few years later than this. I find it a bit odd that it took so long for this to come out (3 years after the start of the 1st series and 14 months after the end if it). Ahh...that perhaps explains the Kevin J. Anderson thing then. In my mind, I was thinking that Dark Empire II came out in 1992 or something, but a look online says issue #1 came out in late 1994. Also, bear in mind that Dark Empire was originally due to be published by Marvel in 1990, so it really has been quite a while. All in all, this was an enjoyable first instalment of this sequel. It's good to be back in the original trilogy era. Imperial Executor Sedriss seems like a formidable bad guy and the Empire generally still seems like a threat. One criticism would be that the Emperor coming back again in a cloned body kinda came out of nowhere…it could've done with more build up, but I can live with it. I did, however, think that it was interesting that Sedriss interrupted the Emperor's dignitaries destroying any remaining clone cylinders because they didn't want the Emperor to come back or couldn't wait for that to happen (likely because they wanted to rule themselves). There's a lot being set up in this issue, which will make for a pretty exciting series as it progresses.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 12, 2024 18:47:14 GMT -5
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I've never understood the love for this comic. Maybe I'm just a hard-hearted SOB, but I think it's a load of overly sentimental tosh! Even putting aside how schmaltzy it is, ASM #248 is structurally a bit of a mess: it's half a continuation of Spidey's fight with Thunderball (which began in the previous issue) and half a recap of Spider-Man's origin – with a ladle-load of sentimentality for the eponymous "kid". I mean, yeah, it's a well-drawn and fairly well written recap, but it comes off as far too mawkish and manipulatively maudlin for my tastes. It's too eager to pull the reader's heartstrings, but it does so cheaply, layering on the fake poignancy with a trowel. It's the comic book equivalent of a song like "He Stopped Loving Her Today" by George Jones. Sorry, guys. I just don't see it. Perhaps, but it doesn't pull at the heartstrings like Fat Slags, Biff Bacon, Sid the Sexist or Nobby's Piles. *sniff* Gone, but not forgotten (sorry, there's something in my eye).
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Post by Confessor on Sept 12, 2024 18:45:31 GMT -5
Just a point of correction (and it's an important point): it wasn't rape. Norman Osborn seduced Gwen Stacy, and she willingly had sex with him. Later, she bitterly regretted it, of course. I get that you might find it distasteful as a story development, but making a poor choice of who to jump into bed with is not the same thing as being raped. Marvel made the smart move to retcon this story away a couple years back! Well, I really liked "Sins Past", so naturally I disagree. But it's a totally different timeline/continuity now than the one begun by Lee and Ditko in 1962 anyway. "One More Day", the deal with Mephisto and the resultant reboot saw to that.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 12, 2024 16:39:32 GMT -5
Still one of the most touching stories I've ever read, did not see the ending coming the first time I read it, hit me like a freight train. For anyone who hasn't read it, I won't give it away, but it's a heartbreaker and yet incredibly inspiring all in one. One of my favorite Marvel stories, full stop. If I were asked to edit an anthology of the company's all-time best, this would be my first selection. Cei-U! Can you tell I kinda like it?
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I've never understood the love for this comic. Maybe I'm just a hard-hearted SOB, but I think it's a load of overly sentimental tosh! Even putting aside how schmaltzy it is, ASM #248 is structurally a bit of a mess: it's half a continuation of Spidey's fight with Thunderball (which began in the previous issue) and half a recap of Spider-Man's origin – with a ladle-load of sentimentality for the eponymous "kid". I mean, yeah, it's a well-drawn and fairly well written recap, but it comes off as far too mawkish and manipulatively maudlin for my tastes. It's too eager to pull the reader's heartstrings, but it does so cheaply, layering on the fake poignancy with a trowel. It's the comic book equivalent of a song like "He Stopped Loving Her Today" by George Jones. Sorry, guys. I just don't see it.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 12, 2024 14:42:29 GMT -5
Jor-El and Kal-El
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Post by Confessor on Sept 12, 2024 14:35:46 GMT -5
Another JMS take during his Spider-Man run of the whole Gwen/Norm rape storyline and One More Day. Ooof. Just a point of correction (and it's an important point): it wasn't rape. Norman Osborn seduced Gwen Stacy, and she willingly had sex with him. Later, she bitterly regretted it, of course. I get that you might find it distasteful as a story development, but making a poor choice of who to jump into bed with is not the same thing as being raped.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 12, 2024 14:30:23 GMT -5
On the understanding that "hate" is too strong a term, I think the only thing I've read that really fits the OP's description was the Kurt Busiek and George Pérez Avengers/JLA crossover.
I picked up all four issues in one go from my local comic shop in 2005 or so, and really had high hopes for it, as I'm a big Busiek fan. But by the time I had reached the second issue I knew that it was a turkey. It's just eye-rollingly bad.
For one thing, I felt it lacked in the story department and some of the dialogue is excruciating -- definitely not Busiek's finest moment! I think part of the problem is that as a rule of thumb I find big superhero fights a bit boring, so I was probably hoping for a bit more intellectual meat to the narrative in order to hold my interest. Especially with this having been written by Busiek.
The thing that got on my nerves the most though was all the fawning over the respective heroes' abilities, with Busiek seemingly desperate to avoid favouring one character over another. Too much of it read like, "Honestly Superman...you're the best!"; "Oh no, Spider-Man...really, you're the best!"; "Well, thanks a lot, Superman, but we all know that you're just the greatest." etc etc. Urrrghhh...give me a break! You could sense Busiek not wanting to tread on any toes or upset DC and Marvel editorial by favouring one company's heroes over the other. Myself, I found it all deeply irritating.
Pérez's artwork was really nice to look at, but the writing came off as little more than a fanboy jerk-off session. I love Marvel superheroes a lot and I like a few DC ones too, but "never the twain shall meet" seems like a good rule to me.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 12, 2024 4:54:19 GMT -5
I forgot to respond to one other thing: I love the idea of actress Karen Page getting a part in a Dark Shadows-type tv series. It's been a long while since I read these issues so I can't picture them clearly - do we get any scenes from that show? Because I think Gene Colan and Syd Shores would be a great team for the artwork of a Dark Shadows-type comic series. Yeah, issue #65 opens with a scene from the TV show where a terrified Karen is being stalked through the fog by Brother Brimstone -- the reader is led to believe that it's a real situation and Karen is in danger at first, before it is revealed that they are just shooting a TV show. All the other scenes associated with the show (which is called Strange Secrets BTW) are backstage scenes.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 11, 2024 11:58:20 GMT -5
Dr. Victor von Doom, inventor of the time platform.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 11, 2024 10:18:29 GMT -5
I re-read issues #64 and #65 of Daredevil last night... These are both really fun comics. They date from 1970 and are set during the period where Karen Page has recently learned Matt Murdock and Daredevil are the same person, and as a result she has fled to Los Angeles to become a movie star. Karen lands a small guest-star part on a gothic TV series that is clearly inspired by Dark Shadows and Matt follows her to the City of Angels to confront her and hopefully win her back. While in L.A., Matt joins forces with a reformed Stunt-Master to thwart a gang of crooks, and he and Karen also have a run-in with Brother Brimstone. It's all great fun, and the scripts by Roy Thomas are very entertaining and full of late '60s/early '70s flavoured dialogue. Gene Colan's artwork is really nice too and rather inventively composed on occasion. I really like this early-to-mid '70s period of Daredevil. It's probably my favourite period apart from the Frank Miller run a few years later.
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