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Post by Confessor on Sept 11, 2024 9:43:44 GMT -5
I just realised that yesterday my post count ticked over to 10,000 posts in the forum. Jeez, what a loser!
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Post by Confessor on Sept 10, 2024 22:20:30 GMT -5
THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 39-40 (reprinted in Marvel Tales 178-179) Amazing Spider-man 39 has an iconic cover which has been homaged countless times in comics and other media throughout the years. Amazing Spider-Man #39 has such a great cover! Not only does it look fantastic from a compositional standpoint and in terms of John Romita's draughtsmanship, but it also features the utterly arresting image of Peter Parker, his civilian clothing torn to expose his secret identity, bound and being towed across the New York skyline by the Green Goblin on his power-glider! That cover must've been impossible to resist for any young reader even remotely aware of Spider-Man that was browsing the spinner racks back in May 1966. Bam! What a way to announce the John Romita era of Spider-Man has begun! Although John Romita's signature style is obvious right from the get go, there's still a little bit of Steve Ditko's influence. Not surprising, considering how long Ditko was on the title, and how much of the groundwork was laid out in those issues. It's not just Ditko's residual influence on the comic – John Romita was deliberately aping Ditko's style. In Tom DeFalco's 2004 book Comics Creators on Spider-Man, Romita says that he was actively trying to draw as close to Ditko's style as he could for his first four or five issues on Amazing Spider-Man. His reasoning being that he felt he had an obligation to the readers to ease the transition from one artist to another. Romita explained… "I used a thin pen line on Spider-Man to mimic Ditko's inking style. I was also drawing a lot of nine-panel pages because that's what Steve had done. I only made one concession to my style and that was during the action sequences. I had to draw bigger panels because I just couldn't do the action scenes in small panels."I have to say, the results of Romita's "Ditkofication" are somewhat hit and miss for me, insofar as some panels really do look quite Ditko-esque, while in others – particularly the close-up face shots – the characters look very different to how Ditko depicted them and exactly as you'd expect Romita to draw them. Still, it goes to show what a fantastic artist Romita was that he was able to copy Ditko's idiosyncratic style as successfully as he did. The early scenes with the Green Goblin in his hideout are definitely evoking similar images from Ditko's stories. Yeah, the two panels of the Goblin taking his mask off and standing behind an open locker or similar in ASM #39 look an awful lot like Ditko's panels from the Goblin's first appearance ASM #14. Here's Romita's art in ASM #39… And here are Ditko's panels from ASM #14… That has to have been intentional of Romita's part, right? It's gotta a deliberate homage to Ditko by his successor. Since Spider-man is the type of hero who has to deal with normal real-life problems, this story starts off with him feeling a little ill and visiting his doctor. I find Stan Lee's phonetically rendered "blocked nose" dialogue for Peter really annoying! There's nothing too exciting happening at Empire State University for a change. The drama between Peter and his cast of schoolmates is kept to a minimum, but there is some character development with Harry Osborn, and the first signs that he and Peter will become friends. This is good news for Gwen Stacy of course, and even Flash Thompson begins to see Peter Parker in a new light. Stan gets to work in ASM #39 undoing a lot of the hostility and animosity that Ditko had generated between Peter and his male supporting cast. So, we get Harry and Peter having a real heart-to-heart conversation about Harry's dad, and Peter and Ned Leeds decide to bury the hatchet too, with Peter telling his romantic rival that he's going to step aside and stop pursuing Betty Brant. You can't help feeling that the earlier conflict between these characters was something that Stan really disliked and here he is putting things straight at the very first opportunity. Even Flash Thompson is grudgingly forced to admit that Peter might be a lot more man than he's ever given him credit for being in the past. Though the Green Goblin has been keeping a low profile these past few months, he does manage to recruit some crooks to stage a robbery atop a very high New York City building. I love that panel of the Green Goblin circling the skyscraper on his glider, smoke bellowing, as he watches his hoods tangling with Spider-Man. It's super cool. After revealing his origin, (and either for the benefit of new readers, or just to remind any one who may have forgot what came before), the Green Goblin relates his past encounters with Spider-man. He uses a special device which allows him to project mental images through use of a retro-scope helmet. I must say that Norman Osborn's retroscope helmet seems like a bit of a lame idea. It's just a much too blatant narrative device to simultaneously pad out the issue, while giving any new readers the lowdown on Spidey and the Goblin's previous encounters. It seems like uncharacteristically lazy storytelling from Stan. With the threat of the Green Goblin over, seemingly for good, and his true identity once again safe, Spider-man makes the decision to keep Osborn's secret to himself. After burning the Green Goblin's costume, he tells the arriving firefighters and police officers that the Goblin is gone and that Norman Osborn helped finish him off. That's true enough and as good an ending to this long-running plot as one could ask for. I have to say that I kinda disagree that this is a good ending to this particular Spider-Man/Green Goblin encounter. Frankly, I think that the amnesia shenanigans with Oborn losing all recollection of his time as the Goblin, thus preserving Peter's secret identity, is a bit rubbish. It's just a tad too convenient for my tastes. I think I would have preferred Osborn to have been killed in the fire in his laboratory/hideout, but of course that would've robbed us of a lot of great stories further down the road. I will say that I'm glad the threat of Osborn's memory possibly returning at some point in the future was used to such great dramatic effect in the months and years to come. Who knows, maybe that was Stan's plan all along? In the originals, inks are credited to Mickey Demeo, which I assume was a pen-name for Mike Esposito since that’s who is credited in the reprints. I believe I'm right in saying that Mike Esposito used the "Mickey Demeo" pseudonym because he was also inking for DC Comics at the time and didn't want anyone there to know that he was moonlighting at Marvel. I'm pretty sure one of the forum regulars here told me that waaaaay back in the old CBR days. Overall, this two-part story is awesome. Stan Lee really pulls out all the stops, serving up one of the most exciting Spidey stories of the 1960s. Certainly, it's the best arc since the Master Planner adventure. You really have to wonder if writing these issues felt personal for Stan…like he had something to prove. This was the first time he's properly co-written Spider-Man with an artist, using the Marvel method, in over a year. I suspect that Stan really wanted to create something that would knock reader's socks off to prove that the comic could survive the departure of Steve Ditko. Certainly, Romita has gone on record as saying that it is his belief that the Green Goblin's identity would not have been revealed in issue #39 had Ditko stayed on the comic. I think Stan decided that revealing the Goblin's identity in these issues was just the thing to blow reader's minds. I'm a big fan of John Romita's artwork – he's probably my favourite comic book artist of all time. He really hits the ground running with these two issues. There are lots of strong character moments, note perfect pacing, and some brilliantly dynamic action sequences. The fight scenes especially really allow Romita to shine. Simply put, Spider-Man comics don't come much better than these two issues.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 10, 2024 11:03:13 GMT -5
A fun one is House II: The Second Story. As a kid, I thought it was odd. I mean, it’s redundant. Surely any sequel is a second story? But then I read an interview with someone who worked on the film, and he talked about how “The Second Story” was a play on the word “storey”. Yeah, good call: that is a clever one.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 10, 2024 10:58:55 GMT -5
Starfire
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Post by Confessor on Sept 10, 2024 10:55:31 GMT -5
Perhaps the best sequel title under the current numeric system, Breakin' 2, Electric Boogaloo. I always liked the title of Teen Wolf Too back in the day. I thought that was kinda clever.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 10, 2024 10:44:21 GMT -5
I understand the desire to avoid meg-corps. Trust me, I absolutely do. But sometimes it's almost impossible to do so because either there's no other option or the other option is just as bad. Yep, this is the crux of the matter really. I do firmly believe you should avoid buying from faceless mega-corps as much as humanly possible and instead shop at local small businesses (or small businesses online anywhere in the world), but I do also absolutely accept that sometimes that's just not possible. I mean, for one thing, it isn't always financially sensible to do that. Being an ethical consumer is almost never the cheapest or most convenient option! I get that...and I will absolutely use Amazon a number of times a year myself because sometimes I have no alternative or the cost of not doing so is prohibitively expensive. But whenever I can, I will always try to use small or local businesses, even if it ends up costing me a little bit more. The truth is that if we don't support small local businesses, our communities, labour markets, personal finances, the environment, and the very fabric of our society will all suffer.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 10, 2024 8:54:49 GMT -5
I think old American back issues are way more expensive in the UK than they are in the U.S. generally. When I look at what back issues are going for in the States on eBay or at Lonestar etc, it's clear that we tend to get hammered on the prices. This is even more apparent when I visit comic shops in the States and compare them to stores in London. I guess it's down to less availability of U.S. comics in Britain. Time was that I used to order fairly often from online American sites like Mile High or Lonestar, because it worked out cheaper than buying from UK-based sellers like Silver Acre (who I did and still do use sometimes), even with the international shipping. But a combination of the pound weakening against the dollar and huge increases in U.S. shipping rates means that it's no longer worthwhile to do that. EDIT: Editing just to say that I kinda miss the pre-eBay days when you could go to a jumble sale or carboot slae and pick up bundles of old comics -- or even a whole box of them sometimes -- for pence. I got a complete collection of the Tintin books for a couple of quid back in the early '90s. That's still probably my best ever comics score! I could have a real rant about car boot sales, having been to a few in the last 2-3 years. The last one I went to was very “corporate” with what appeared to be shops having stalls, selling cleaning products and car accessories. Now why would I want to go to a car boot sale for such things? I don’t blame the organisers hiring out a stall to such businesses, but it felt very dry. I mean, car boots should be about vinyl, comics, books, toys, video games, etc, etc. Not cleaning products that I can buy in Savers or Superdrug. It just felt like another example of the corporate mindset taking over something that should really be about fun. People come back from car boot sales saying things like, “I found a great LP I’d always wanted.” No person ever came back from a car boot sale saying, “I picked up some great shower cleaning products and furniture polish.” I probably haven't been to carboot sale since the eary 2000s...if not longer! But I can well believe what you're saying. I mean, I get why there are less private sellers and more businesses selling cleaning products and car accessories etc at carboots, because everybody knows you can get a better price on the crap cluttering up your attic on eBay or Vinted than you can at a carboot sale. And I really don't mind people doing that at all. It's just the way the world has gone now. But yeah, I do kinda miss the days of driving around with my girlfriend on a Sunday morning, browsing jumble sales and visiting carboot sales looking for treasure and bargains.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 10, 2024 8:18:41 GMT -5
I think old American back issues are way more expensive in the UK than they are in the U.S. generally. When I look at what back issues are going for in the States on eBay or at Lonestar etc, it's clear that we tend to get hammered on the prices. This is even more apparent when I visit comic shops in the States and compare them to stores in London. I guess it's down to less availability of U.S. comics in Britain. Time was that I used to order fairly often from online American sites like Mile High or Lonestar, because it worked out cheaper than buying from UK-based sellers like Silver Acre (who I did and still do use sometimes), even with the international shipping. But a combination of the pound weakening against the dollar and huge increases in U.S. shipping rates means that it's no longer worthwhile to do that. EDIT: Editing just to say that I kinda miss the pre-eBay days when you could go to a jumble sale or carboot sale and pick up bundles of old comics -- or even a whole box of them sometimes -- for pence. I got a complete collection of the Tintin books for a couple of quid back in the early '90s. That's still probably my best ever comics score!
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Post by Confessor on Sept 9, 2024 21:37:09 GMT -5
...show her The Railway Children.... God, how I hate that film.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 9, 2024 19:22:00 GMT -5
Damn, this one seems really hard -- I had to really rack my brains to think of one. I'm going with... King Muskar XII (from Tintin).
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Post by Confessor on Sept 9, 2024 4:29:32 GMT -5
THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 38 (reprinted in Marvel Tales 177) I like that cover! I know it's just re-purposed art from the interior pages, but I think the composition works. Anyone know why Steve Ditko didn't produce an actual cover? (or maybe he did, but it wasn't used)? Even if this was his last issue, he seemed committed to at least completing all the pages and turning in a job that looked as professional as any of the other issues we've been reading. I've always assumed that Steve Ditko didn't do a proper cover for this issue because he'd left Marvel. The story goes that Ditko just walked into the Marvel offices one day, dropped off the artwork for this issue and announced that he was quitting. I have no idea whether he'd been thinking about doing that for a while or if it was a more capricious, in-the-moment decision (I tend to think it was probably the latter, given how much stuff Ditko was setting up for future issues as recently as ASM #37). That said, John Romita has said that Ditko had kept threatening to quite for a while before he actually did, but that may've been more of a threat designed to prompt Stan Lee into addressing his ongoing concerns about not getting enough credit for Spider-Man and Doctor Strange perhaps? Anyway, my assumption has always been that Steve finished the interiors but left before drawing a cover for this issue. He does manage to upset some student protesters who want him to join in. Ditko had no time or sympathy for student protests and that comes across in Peter's dialogue: "Another student protest! What are they after THIS time?" Peter even contemplates attacking the protesters and giving "them something to protest about". This is, of course, very out of character for Peter, but very in character for Steve Ditko. I supect Lee actually watered Ditko's dialogue suggestions down in this scene, so lord knows what Peter was supposed to say to the protestors! According to author Sean Howe in his book Marvel Comics: The Untold Story, there was a bit of a reader backlash concerning this scene, including a letter from a member of Students for a Democratic Society who called Stan Lee out on it. Lee attempted to smooth things over by telling the angry correspondent that he never imagined that anybody would "take our silly protest-marchers seriously". This is something I meant to point out in my earlier reviews, but I kept forgetting, so I figure I might as well mention it now while I remember. The webbing under Spidey’s arms is something that will come and go over the years depending on the artist and is usually omitted when he’s adapted to other media. I've always been kind of ambivalent to the underarm webbing. It's fine if it's included, but generally I prefer Spider-Man's costume without it. Overall, this is a really forgettable issue, which is a shame considering it's Ditko's last. I don't know if it was down to Ditko's resentment towards Lee or just his general apathy for Spider-Man, but this is nowhere near his best stuff. Not that it's all bad, mind you. The fight sequences between Spidey and Joe or Spidey and the gangsters are as imaginative and exciting as ever, and there are the usual interesting soap opera elements, with Peter's encounter with Ned Leeds and Leeds' search for Betty, plus Gwen Stacy's ever-growing attraction to Peter. But I dunno, it all just feels bit like Ditko going through the motions somehow.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 9, 2024 2:56:52 GMT -5
Thirty-nine years ago, Mrs Raider and I started going out together! A blink of an eye, I tell ya. Congratulations to you and Mrs. Raider.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 8, 2024 4:41:48 GMT -5
Next up... Dark Empire II Great! Looking forward to joining in with that.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 8, 2024 0:11:23 GMT -5
Every couple of years this topic rears up its ugly head here, every couple of years there are those who like it and those who don't. Every couple of years hundreds if not thousands of words of verbiage is thrown around about the topic without one person rethinking or changing their mind about the issue. Every couple of years the discourse of this eventually becomes filled with rancor on one side or the other and we end up losing someone from our community because they're tired of that kind rancor in these types of endlessly futile discussions. It's a topic we just need to retire because nothing good ever comes of discussing it here. No one is going to change their mind, nothing is added to our community by it, and more often than not something (or someone) is subtracted from our community because of it. There are endless possibilities of topics for discussion about comics, let's move on form this one please before the cycle perpetuates itself. I disagree. I think the community here has matured considerably on this point. I think there's a much more tolerant attitude overall between pro-slabbers and anti-slabbers in this forum. It is not the hot, divisive topic that it was in days of yore. There's a much friendlier "live and let live" attitude these days, I believe. Also, for the record, I don't recall anyone ever permanently deleting their account over a row about slabbing. I might be forgetting something, but it's really not a hot button topic in the way politics is, for example.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 8, 2024 0:02:24 GMT -5
Haven't any of them already been adapted into comics? All the movies have been adapted into comics at various points, yes. But I think driver is asking about spin-off series set around the same time as each film that flesh out events in those films.
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