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Post by Confessor on Jul 14, 2024 6:25:12 GMT -5
Hearing that track reminds me of the Brian Jones doc I saw a few months ago Bill Wyman was the only Stone interviewed for it and he was very emphatic about how Jones was responsible for much of their sound and direction on these early records. Would that have been him playing slide guitar on this track? Of course he never developed into a songwriter the way Jagger and Richards did. Absolutely, yes...that's Brian Jones on slide guitar. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 14, 2024 6:23:21 GMT -5
#7 - Chuck Berry - St. Louis to Liverpool
I don't know this album in its entirety, but of course I know many of the songs on it, including "No Particular Place to Go", "Promised Land", "Little Marie" and the simply fabulous "You Never Can Tell". The album title is, I assume, an attempt on Berry and his record company's part to align themselves with the Beatles and the rest of the British Invasion groups, for whom Berry was a prime inspiration. This is one of those records I've always vaguely meant to pick up, but for whatever reason haven't so far. I should really get on with that. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 13, 2024 10:05:55 GMT -5
I'm heading out to my brother's stag-do in a bit, so I'm gonna go ahead and post today's pick in my Top 10 albums of 1964 run down... #7 - The Rolling Stones by The Rolling Stones One of the most interesting aspects of The Rolling Stones' self-titled debut album is that, for the most part, it captures the band as purist purveyors of authentic blues, rock 'n' roll and soul, rather than as pop stars, which they had recently become in the UK. Much of the material here is drawn from the repertoires of such blues and rock 'n' roll greats as Willie Dixon, Muddy Waters, Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, and Rufus Thomas. There is only one original Jagger/Richards composition: the frankly dire proto-folk rock of "Tell Me (You're Coming Back)", which sits rather uncomfortably among all the rootsy Americana. Still, it's a solid debut album overall, with a palpable hopped-up energy to many of the covers, and it made number 1 in the UK charts. In particular, the band do a damn good job of playing authentic Chicago rhythm & blues considering they were just a bunch of kids in their early 20s from Dartford! Stand out tracks for me would include the frantic versions of "I Just Want to Make Love to You" and "Carol", along with "Mona", and their swaggering, sexually-charged rendition of "Route 66". The Rolling Stones isn't anywhere near the best album the band would release, but it's a fascinating record of them in their earliest and purest incarnation. Check out the band's bristling cover of the Slim Harpo track "I'm a King Bee"… |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 13, 2024 9:58:02 GMT -5
Jesus Christ...how many times?!! NOBODY IS TAKING THAT POSITION IN THIS THREAD.That's a totally strawman argument. Not one person in this thread is saying that. There are, however, people saying the opposite, which is my point. There’s a lot of strawman arguments floating around, Confessor. This exact same statement applies to the non-stop Kirby critics. I can't say that I can see that. Certainly, I'd be surprised if you could find one single example of anyone saying Stan Lee did everything and Jack Kirby was just the artist in this thread. I don't think I've seen anyone saying that. BTW, just changing the subject for a bit, it occurs to me that my above reply to you might look really arsy or could be read that way. I intended it to be have a "laughy", "exaseprated" tone, rather than a furiously angry one, but I can see how it could be construed that way. Hopefully you took it in the spirit in which I intended it. But if not, rest assured, I'm not angry with you or having a dig at you, my friend.  |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 13, 2024 9:33:15 GMT -5
Absolutely. I've said it before in this thread, I know, but given the discussions filling the last 3 or 4 pages, I think it really does bear repeating: If your default position is to treat everything Stan Lee said as a suspect or an outright lie and everything the artists said as truth, then that's not a neutral position from which to posit an alternate, revisionist theory from. It's just classic confirmation bias.And the opposite is true also. If you accept everything that Stan Lee said and reject anything that contradicts that, then you are also experiencing confirmation bias. Thank you. Jesus Christ...how many times?!! NOBODY IS TAKING THAT POSITION IN THIS THREAD.That's a totally strawman argument. Not one person in this thread is saying that. There are, however, people saying the opposite, which is my point. After 57 pages (!!) of discussion, I thought we'd be beyond this by now. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 13, 2024 9:31:21 GMT -5
I really like this Evanier quote. It supports the idea (that I agree with) that there were a lot of ways to get these stories. And that one person’s memory about one particular way of doing it isn’t some kind of monolithic statement about how it was done the same way every single time. I agree with this. Nobody is saying that in the '60s Stan Lee didn't sometimes just say "Jack, let's have the Fantastic Four fight Dr. Doom next month" and then he would let Jack run with it, handing the finished art back to Stan for dialoguing. That clearly happened quite often because Stan himself has told that particular story. But on other occasions, coming up with the next issue was clearly a much more collaborative thing, with Stan and Jack, or Stan and Ditko, discussing the plot, the artwork layout, and the dialogue in detail in Stan's office for hours, as recounted in a number of interviews by Flo Steinberg. Sometimes, even in the mid-60s, there might have been a script of sorts that Stan had bashed out that would then be passed to Kirby. Who knows? But to say that Kirby always plotted/wrote everything, and Stan only ever did the dialogue is not likely or a particularly realistic conclusion, based on the available evidence and witness testimonies we have to go on. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 13, 2024 9:22:36 GMT -5
Funny how it is assumed there are no facts (nevermind the numerous quotes posted) or someone is not telling the truth (again, nevermind the numerous quotes posted) if the information does not end with "Kirby and/or Ditko is God". Absolutely. I've said it before in this thread, I know, but given the discussions filling the last 3 or 4 pages, I think it really does bear repeating: If your default position is to treat everything Stan Lee said as a suspect or an outright lie and everything the artists said as truth, then that's not a neutral position from which to posit an alternate, revisionist theory from. It's just classic confirmation bias. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 13, 2024 9:13:09 GMT -5
It's a pic from Facebook, so don't know if it will show. Kirby's pencils lettering under the word balloons. From Amazing Adventures.  Thank you for sharing the image. That's a little hard for me to read, but it doesn't appeared that the lettered dialogue matches the penciled dialogue. I'm only speculating here, but since Kirby was known to pencil in the word balloons while drawing the panels could it be suggest dialogue or a lose version of what was in the script? Yeah, I don't see anything in the penciled dialogue (though it's very hard to read it clearly) that corresponds with what was eventually written in the comic. Good job too, because Kirby's dialogue without the likes of Stan Lee was dire.   (I'm just trolling...) |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 12, 2024 15:24:51 GMT -5
I know little or nothing about Wes Montgomery's music, but I liked those two tracks you posted. There's a "showbizzy" flavour to the accompaniment that makes me think of movie soundtracks of the era. Yeah, it's a glitzy album for sure, totally agree on the soundtrack feel. For a more "pure jazz" introduction to his playing, something like The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery is a better starting point I think. Oh OK, I think I'll give that one a listen. Thanks. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 12, 2024 11:38:28 GMT -5
8) Wes Montgomery - Movin' Wes Favorite albums of 1964
#8 - Doc Watson - Doc Watson I know little or nothing about Wes Montgomery's music, but I liked those two tracks you posted. There's a "showbizzy" flavour to the accompaniment that makes me think of movie soundtracks of the era. As for Doc Watson, I have only a passing knowledge of his music, but of course I know how influential he was among folk, bluegrass and rock guitarists. I really like the sound of those two tracks; I really must pick up some of his music. I know Jerry Garcia was a fan and the Grateful Dead did a nice cover of "Sittin' On Top of the World" on their debut album. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 12, 2024 8:50:54 GMT -5
heh.... probably not... it would fry the tablet with force lightning. I don't have the end notes in front of me, but I believe you... it may well be that I equate Sith to dark side force user. I got to the point in Heir to the Empire where we get the first Noguri interaction... they don't think they are Sith.. they say Vader 'saved' them after wreckage of a space battle ruined their planet. Greg Pak did a similar thing in the most recent comic... they don't call themselves Sith, they just see Vader has their savior... two very different things. Incidently, this is the first time I recall they mention Leia as 'Lady Vader', which comes into play at various times in various bits of continuity. I found the Noghri's relationship with Vader and subsequently with Leia "Lady Vader" Organa Solo fascinating. Especially as their view of Vader as their saviour was built on a lie and Imperial propaganda, while the Empire continued to poison their planet. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 12, 2024 8:42:52 GMT -5
From Marty's family: I sure wish I lived close enough to be there. I'd love to see his life's work on display. What an amazing way to honor him! Absolutely. I wish I lived closer too. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 12, 2024 8:06:29 GMT -5
I'm gonna go first again today because I'm out all day with work. Continuing my Top 10 favourite albums of 1964... #8 - Getz/Gilberto by Stan Getz & João Gilberto, featuring Antônio Carlos Jobim The '60s bossa nova craze starts here! Well, not quite, since jazz saxophonist Stan Getz had already released three successful bossa nova-flavoured albums in '62 and '63. But it was the Getz/Gilberto album that more than any other popularised bossa nova music worldwide. Of course, the album is most famous for having introduced the sultry-voiced chanteuse Astrud Gilberto to the public with the smash hit "The Girl from Ipanema", but there's lots of other good music here too. Overall, it's an effortlessly graceful, impeccably played album that manages to be both artistically adventurous and eminently accessible for casual listeners. There's a palpable tension throughout between Getz's strident, but seductive saxophone playing and Brazilian guitarist João Gilberto's gentle guitar rhythms and soft singing, which gives an air of veiled lustfulness to the album's overall mood of dreamy romanticism. Antônio Carlos Jobim contributes respectfully minimalist piano accompaniment, allowing Getz and Gilberto to bask in the musical spotlight. One slight criticism of the album would be that it is so laid back and dreamy that it can very easily become background music, if the listener's mind wonders. Likewise, except for "The Girl from Ipanema", a fair bit of the material here does tend to blur into one. But then again, the whole record is a mood piece that instantly conjures up images of the '60s jet set era; it's the aural equivalent of lounging by a Brazilian beach at dusk, sipping a martini, as cicadas chirp in the background. Rather than focus on the album's well-known mega-hit, "The Girl from Ipanema", here is the spirited "Só Danço Samba" instead… |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 11, 2024 10:16:33 GMT -5
#9 - Muddy Waters - Folk Singer
Great pick! This won't be the only time we see this album in this 1964 run down. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 11, 2024 8:28:44 GMT -5
9) John Barry - Goldfinger Soundtrack Nice choice! I don't know the soundtrack album, but I love the film. Obviously Shirley Bassey's theme is fantastic, but those other two tracks are very cool too. I think one of the great things about a good soundtrack album is that it sort of allows you to "re-watch" the film in your mind's eye, as you listen. John Barry was a great talent, so I can quite believe this is a good album. |
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