Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 11, 2024 6:41:30 GMT -5
Absolutely. Nobody had any idea what a Sith really was, other than some kind of Dark Side Force user, prior to --- well, the prequels, really. I mean, yeah...the TotJ series and the Star Wars Role-playing Game did some fleshing out, but there was always the vague idea that they didn't really count because they weren't the movies. A fair bit of what had been established about the Sith by Dark Horse and West End Games in the '90s was contradicted or ignored by George Lucas in the prequels anyway. What I find really funny is that, because of the wording "Dark Lord of the Sith," they made the Sith a species of which these individuals were the lords. They have to be lords of something, after all!! We have to take it literally. Talk about overthinking! Interesting. Back in the '80s, my nerdy friends and I all assumed that the Sith were some kind of extinct Dark Side religous order, I think. And that Darth Vader was the Dark Lord of that order...i.e. the head honcho.
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 11, 2024 6:33:46 GMT -5
I'm super busy with work today and away from the computer now until tomorrow morning, so I hope Slam_Bradley won't mind if I take the lead today and post my next pick in my Top 10 albums of 1964... #9 - It's My Way! by Buffy Sainte-MarieIn 2023, Cree folk singer Buffy Sainte-Marie was outed as a prize bullsh*tter, having claimed to have been of Indigenous Canadian heritage for over 60 years (actually, turns out she was born to English and Italian parents in Stoneham, Massachusetts). But back in the Sixties and Seventies, she was an important spokesperson for Native Americans and Canadians, while her songs often dealt with the issues facing those peoples or explored Indigenous mysticism. While it's obviously not cool for Sainte-Marie to have claimed Indigenous ancestry and spoken on those people's behalf, while collecting awards intended for them, it doesn't change the fact that she was a gifted singer-songwriter who brought the plight of Indigenous peoples to the attention of an awful lot of folks who otherwise wouldn't have thought about it. Anyway, controversy aside, what about this album? Well, it's Sainte-Marie's debut and it's the one that is still most likely to be cited by critics and fans as her best and most influential. The songs run the gamut from anti-war protest and drug addiction songs through to religious material and, of course, songs about the plight of the Native Americans (there's even a song here sung in Cree). I find It's My Way! to be a slightly uneven album overall, but when it's good it's very good. The self-penned "Universal Soldier" (which was later a hit for Donovan) and "Cod'ine" are the two stand-out tracks (I perform a rendition of "Cod'ine" myself on occasion). But even when some of the material is a bit mediocre, Saint-Marie's chilling, vibrato-laden voice gives all the songs a powerful and disturbing sheen. Here's the song "Cod'ine" for your enjoyment…
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 11, 2024 6:28:17 GMT -5
"My hammer swings only for justice-- never for the thrill of battle alone!" "But what good then to be a god?" "Thy careless query, Hercules, is far more profound than thou suspect!" Cei-U! I summon one of the best exchanges of dialogue Stan Lee ever penned (even if he kinda mangles the syntax in that last line)! It's an unfashionable opinion in some quarters, but I think there was a lot more philosophical depth in some of Stan Lee's writing than many people give him credit for.
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 11, 2024 6:20:52 GMT -5
The first real use of the Sith is in deed this "Tales of the Jedi" series, I think. Until then, whatever a "Sith" is, does not seem to be clear (remember Zahn setting up the Noghri to be the Sith, hence the explanation of Vader's title - in the early 90s). Palpatine as a Sith is first cemented in TPM. Previously they used "Dark Jedi". In "Dark Empire" Palpatine calls himself "Master of All Jedi" and calls Luke "Dark Jedi". Also notice that Darth Vader is always refered to as THE Dark Lord of the Sith, not A. Absolutely. Nobody had any idea what a Sith really was, other than some kind of Dark Side Force user, prior to --- well, the prequels, really. I mean, yeah...the TotJ series and the Star Wars Role-playing Game did some fleshing out, but there was always the vague idea that they didn't really count because they weren't the movies. A fair bit of what had been established about the Sith by Dark Horse and West End Games in the '90s was contradicted or ignored by George Lucas in the prequels anyway.
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 10, 2024 19:00:35 GMT -5
So apparently my father-in-law has been diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma stage 2. That's all we know at this point. But I'm really tired of cancer. Really sorry to hear this, Slam. Cancer is a sh*t!
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 10, 2024 17:50:22 GMT -5
Shame though, because I really dig the version of "My Favourite Things" you posted. I like Vibraphone, but it can get a bit much across a whole album for me -- it's one of my slight problems with much of the Modern Jazz Quartet's output. I'm guessing you're not much for Lionel Hampton then. I don't think I've knowingly heard any music that he was involved in and, in fact, I had to Google him because the name didn't ring a bell for me. As I say, I do like the sound of a vibraphone, but only for so long. I'm guessing that would be the case for Hampton's output. A little Vibraphone goes a long way.
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 10, 2024 17:39:11 GMT -5
Gary Burton - The Groovy Sound of Music I hate to be "that guy", supercat, but according to Wikipedia, the AllMusic website, and Discogs, this is a 1965 album, not a 1964 one. We pick albums by release year in these lists, not by the year in which they were recorded. Shame though, because I really dig the version of "My Favourite Things" you posted. I like Vibraphone, but it can get a bit much across a whole album for me: it's one of my slight problems with much of the Modern Jazz Quartet's output.
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 10, 2024 17:33:06 GMT -5
Because nobody asked for it.... Well, technically, I asked for it. #10 - Count Basie and Frank Sinatra - It Might as Well Be Swing
I'm not a particularly big fan of Ol' Blue Eyes, I must say, but those two tracks are pretty decent renditions, though they also sound pretty much exactly as I'd expect them to given the two lead performers. Of the two tracks, I found "The Best is Yet to Come" superior to "Fly Me to the Moon", as it had a bit more bite to it and a bit more commitment in Sinatra's vocal. Nice musical arrangements by Quincy Jones on both tracks though, but then, I wouldn't expect anything less. But to be honest, when it comes to '40s and '50s crooners, I much prefer Nat King Cole, Tony Bennett and Dean Martin over Sinatra.
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 10, 2024 17:19:54 GMT -5
OK, then...top albums of 1964... #10 - Ramblin' Boy by Tom PaxtonFolk singer Tom Paxton was one of the leading lights of the early '60s Greenwich Village folk revival. Ramblin' Boy is basically his debut album, although he had previously released a live LP on the tiny Gaslight label in 1962. But this was Paxton's first studio album and the first album of his that anybody outside of the folkies who attended his coffee house shows in Greenwich Village took any notice of. It's a mixture of heartfelt ballads, comedy ditties, children's songs, and a bucket load of overly earnest political protest songs. The abundance of protest material is, from a modern perspective, one of the album's chief failings, since nothing dates faster than a topical song. Though the material is fairly strong throughout, and Paxton's attractive, understated voice is very inviting, the fact remains that an awful lot of this album is simply a period piece. Still, it's a decent enough album, which must've sounded pretty cutting edge back in 1964. But for me, it's the non-political songs that work the best – particularly the gorgeous "The Last Thing on My Mind", which would go on to become a folk music standard that has been covered by many, many different artists…
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 9, 2024 20:28:46 GMT -5
While we're on the subject of Freedon Nadd and the Dark Side of the Force, Veitch has Master Arca tell Ulic that with the Sith there can be only one (shades of Highlander perhaps?). Of course, the prequels established the rule of two (a master and a pupil), but even for somebody who was writing Star Wars comics before the prequels had come out, that's an odd mistake for Veitch to make: there were two Sith in the original trilogy, after all – Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine. Just to clarify, Veitch established that there can only be one Dark Lord of the Sith at a time. There can be multiple Sith Lords, but only the top dog gets the "Dark Lord" title. Ah, OK...I must've misunderstood what Master Arca was saying (more bad writing on Veitch's part ). Also, prior to TPM, it was never established that Palpatine was a Sith. The Sith aren't ever mentioned by name within the OT, and only Vader was identified as a Sith in supplementary material. You're correct about there being no mention of the Sith in the OT (although there is actually a deleted part of the "Imperial board meeting" scene on the Death Star from the original 1977 film in which General Tagge refers to Darth Vader as a "Sith Lord"). But the supplementary material you refer to that mentioned the Sith -- and Darth Vader as "Dark Lord of the Sith" -- includes the 1976 Star Wars novelisation, the old Marvel comics, the original trilogy radio dramatizations, the Topps bubble-gum cards, the Kenner toy merchandise, the Bantha Tracks fanclub magazine, and the original trilogy poster magazines, amongst others. So, it's not like the word "Sith" or Vader being the Dark Lord of the Sith was unknown in the 70s and 80s if you were any kind of SW fan worth their salt. As for the Emperor being a Sith, I'm not sure about it never being established back in the OT era. You might be right, I suppose, but my friends and I definitely viewed the Emperor ws a Sith back in the early '80s. I mean, he was clearly a Dark Side Force user in RotJ, so maybe we just assumed he must also a Sith? But I do wonder if it was perhaps mentioned some place like the RotJ novelization of the Marvel comics? I dunno, maybe you're right. Fun fact, the word "Ewok" isn't uttered in RotJ either. Finally, it becomes clear in Empire's End that Veitch didn't consider Palpatine part of the Sith religion. Sure. So, he got it wrong there as well.
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 9, 2024 19:43:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't be much of a participant but I'd be a very interested reader/learner if you, Slam, and any other jazz listeners ever decided to do some jazz-related lists of this kind - best of year/decade or what have you. My knowledge is very patchy and lately when it comes to jazz I've been mostly listening to vocal music from the 1950s - some of which might be considered pop as much as jazz. I like Jazz a lot, but I'm very specific about which sub-genres of jazz do it for me. I don't mind the Bebop of the 1940s and '50s (Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Thelonious Monk etc) or more straight ahead jazz of that period, such as Cab Calloway, Louise Armstrong etc, or even a little bit of British Trad Jazz, like Acker Bilk or Chris Barber. But the two sub-genres I really, really like are late '50s/early '60s Cool Jazz (The Dave Brubeck Quartet, Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, Gerry Mulligan etc), or late '60s/early '70s Jazz Funk (Gil Scott-Heron, Herbie Hancock, Donald Byrd etc). I also dig mid-60s Latin Jazz/Bossa Nova stuff (Astrud Gilberto, Sergio Mendez & Basil 66, Jose Feliciano, Getz/Gilberto etc), but some jazz fans can be a bit snooty about whether that stuff can really be called jazz. I think some of it absolutely is. But anyway, I could definitely get on board with a general Top 10 favourite Jazz albums theme somewhere down the line. I think there'd be a lot to learn from other people's picks.
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 9, 2024 19:34:33 GMT -5
Hey shaxper, just wanted to say that I've been enjoying watching your recent Transformers-themed videos, even though I've not been at all interested in Transformers since I was 11 or 12. But I enjoy your passion for the subject, and you're a charismatic presenter too. Good stuff. Keep it up.
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 9, 2024 15:10:49 GMT -5
Except, upon further review, my most listened to album of 1964 is a jazz album. So I'm going to include it. Sigh. There'll be one jazz album in my Top 10, but it's not one you've mentioned. During my final ordering it looks like the one and only bluegrass album that I shortlisted might not make the cut after all.
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 9, 2024 12:41:11 GMT -5
Not a terrible issue, by any means, but not a particularly great one either. It was definitely a step down from the first issue, I felt, though I agree that the front cover is very nice. Sadly, the rest of the story doesn't really live up to it. The plot is one Deus ex Machina after the other, from Tott being able to talk to the beasts to Master Arca just swooping in and thinking about victory. Yeah, the instances of Deus ex Machina are unfortunate. That just smacks of sub-standard, amateurish writing, in my opinion. In particular, having Master Arca appear to bail the three young Jedi out felt like a total cop-out to me. The writing was definitely the weak link in this issue. And then he scolds his pupils for not doing the same? If Jedi can do that why is there ever war? Can't they just think about peace instead? The plot stinks almost of silver age Superman levels of silliness. I must confess that hadn't occurred to me, but you're right – it makes no sense at all. I think the fact they Veitch tells you ahead of time Ulic is going to fall definitely is a detriment to the story.. knowing that, the rest of the plot is pretty predictable. I spotted the foreshadowing here when Master Arca told Ulic Qel-Droma to pray that he never falls to the Dark Side, but only because you let Ulic's ultimate destiny slip in an earlier post. I don't recall ever thinking it was a foregone conclusion that Ulic would become a Sith before. At most, I might have thought that Tom Veitch was subtly referencing a future plot development he had up his sleeve which might involve Ulic being tempted by the Dark Side, but not necessarily that he would fully succumb to it. Perhaps your prior knowledge of what happens is colouring your opinion of Veitch's foreshadowing here? And what the heck is up with Master Arca's ship? It looks like he glued a Star Destroyer to some contruction equipment. Points for uniqueness for sure. I think I said in my comments on issue #1 that I've always liked how Chris Gossett's design for the Jedi's ships was quite unorthodox. It's a nice touch to have the star-cruisers in TotJ look unlike the ones we're used to seeing in the original trilogy. It reinforces the idea that we are in a different era of Star Wars than the one we're used to. We also have the first mention of Freedon Nadd, which of course is very important later. Otherwise though, not a lot going on here.. a bit of action, it closes the story for now, and that's that. Even the droid type that Cay steals an arm from is never mentioned again. I thought it was interesting that, yet again in a Star Wars comic, we have an instance of ancient Jedi Knights wearing actual metal armour – something that we saw on a few occasions in the old Marvel series too. While we're on the subject of Freedon Nadd and the Dark Side of the Force, Veitch has Master Arca tell Ulic that with the Sith there can be only one (shades of Highlander perhaps?). Of course, the prequels established the rule of two (a master and a pupil), but even for somebody who was writing Star Wars comics before the prequels had come out, that's an odd mistake for Veitch to make: there were two Sith in the original trilogy, after all – Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine. Overall, I thought this issue was just kinda OK-ish. I'm still enjoying Gossett's '90s indie comic leanings in the artwork. However, I did want to mention that in the scene where the three young Jedi storm the Beast-Rider nuptials, Veitch describes the marriage of Princess Galia to Oron Kira as a "barbaric ceremony", but Gossett's art makes it look like a rather pleasant gathering. But artwork aside, the writing is what spoiled this issue for me. I said in my comments for issue #1 that I was never a terribly big fan of TotJ, but that I had enjoyed re-reading the first part of the story. This issue, however, sort of reminded me why I never took to the series.
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 10,146
|
Post by Confessor on Jul 8, 2024 18:56:01 GMT -5
I've got my ten. I do have to re-listen to two of them to decide where to slot them in. So let me know when we want to start. Yeah, I need to re-listen to 2 or 3 albums as well for the same reason. Shall we say start on Weds? I am super busy gigging on Thurs and Friday though, so I might be a bit sporadic with my posts on those days, but I can always catch up. I should be ready to start by Weds, regardless.
|
|