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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 1:08:43 GMT -5
Mariners and Mets make a big 7 player trade. Mariners send All Star Closer Edwin Diaz, Robinson Cano and $20 million to the Mets for Jay Bruce and 4 prospects-right-hander Justin Dunn, a first-rounder in 2016; outfielder Jarred Kelenic, the sixth overall pick in 2018; right-handed reliever Anthony Swarzak and right-hander pitcher Gerson Bautista. Mets are taking a huge risk on Cano being anything after an 80 game PED contract at 36 and signed for 5 more years, and gambling Diaz won't cost them a fortune once he hits arbitration next season and free agency soon after that. Brunce might not even start the season with the Mariners, as he was a salary dump by the Mets to make room for Cano's contract and Seattle might release or try to trade him elsewhere. The Mets new GM is trying to make a splash and compete in the wide open NL East next year, a division with no clear cut favorite at the moment, and that could shift seismically once free agency is done if one of the teams lands Harper or Machado (Phils are rumored to be heavy in on one or both of them). It's a good deal for the Mariners I think, especially with a lot of closer types available this year in free agency to replace Diaz. -M I just read that in the internet and it's appears that Mets are taking a gamble on Cano; but I liked this trade on paper and not happy of getting Jay Bruce and like you said that they might release him and that's a strong possibility of that happening. I hate to see Edwin Diaz go ... but, it's kills me to see him traded today. I'm a fan of the M's and I hope this will be in Seattle's favor ...
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Post by The Captain on Dec 2, 2018 13:25:54 GMT -5
Mariners and Mets make a big 7 player trade. Mariners send All Star Closer Edwin Diaz, Robinson Cano and $20 million to the Mets for Jay Bruce and 4 prospects-right-hander Justin Dunn, a first-rounder in 2016; outfielder Jarred Kelenic, the sixth overall pick in 2018; right-handed reliever Anthony Swarzak and right-hander pitcher Gerson Bautista. Mets are taking a huge risk on Cano being anything after an 80 game PED contract at 36 and signed for 5 more years, and gambling Diaz won't cost them a fortune once he hits arbitration next season and free agency soon after that. Brunce might not even start the season with the Mariners, as he was a salary dump by the Mets to make room for Cano's contract and Seattle might release or try to trade him elsewhere. The Mets new GM is trying to make a splash and compete in the wide open NL East next year, a division with no clear cut favorite at the moment, and that could shift seismically once free agency is done if one of the teams lands Harper or Machado (Phils are rumored to be heavy in on one or both of them). It's a good deal for the Mariners I think, especially with a lot of closer types available this year in free agency to replace Diaz. -M I had a long debate about this trade on another message board I'm a member of, because I don't understand it at all. Relievers, particularly closers, are a notoriously inconsistent bunch, great one or two years, then middling or worse there out, and vice versa; guys who were never anything to write home about suddenly get a new pitch or arm slot, and all of a sudden they are top of the world for a while. Trading two Top 100 prospects (Kelenic is low-60s on lists, Dunn is upper-80s), another prospect (Bautista), and two not-so-good contracts (Bruce and Swarzak) for Diaz and Cano's bloated deal is one way to make a splash, but not necessarily a good one. With Cano coming off a PED bust just last year and entering his age-36 season with five years and $100MM (since the Mariners are graciously picking up $20MM) is a huge risk, especially since Cano has never played in the National League before and if he breaks down, there is no DH position to hide him at as there would be in the AL. With the Braves chock full of young talent and money to spend, the Phillies looking to spend on top-tier free agents, and the Nationals still having enough in the tank with or without Harper, I find it hard to believe that a closer and a 36-year-old 2B are going to move the needle all that much. This has all the makings of a gigantic disaster, but the next best thing to something bad happening to the Yankees is if it happens to the Mess.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 16:37:20 GMT -5
Good Analysis of this deal ... The Captain and I liked the way you've laid it out; and the Mets are taking a HUGE RISK here and I totally forgot that he's hasn't played in the National League makes this trade heavily in Marners favor.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 23:24:59 GMT -5
Mariners front office reamins busy dismantling their team, completing another big trade, this time with the Phillies...
The Mariners will send shortstop Jean Segura and relievers Juan Nicasio and James Pazos to the Phillies for first baseman Carlos Santana and shortstop J.P. Crawford.
Phillies needed to upgrade defensively, and Segura does that. plus they can move Hoskins bat from LF (where he was terrible) to 1B where he is an average defender (and it opens a corner outfield slot for them to try to sign Bryce Harper. Phillies have the money to be a big player in free agency and they looked like an up and comer for the first half last year until their terrible defense got the better of them.
Seattle shed some more contract, but I am not sure what else this trade accomplishes for them.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 23:38:34 GMT -5
Our Roster will never, ever be a same ... I just find this latest trade makes no sense to me ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 0:34:09 GMT -5
Our Roster will never, ever be a same ... I just find this latest trade makes no sense to me ... The Astros are going to be the class of the AL West for some time to come. They are young and all under contract and controllable. The A's made huge strides forward and are also young and under contract and controllable and are opening a new ballpark in a few years so have incentive to keep rather than trade those players away like they often do. The Angels have Mike Trout and are a pitcher or two away from being competitive in that division with the Astros and A's. What did the Mariners have? A lot of older high priced veterans who weren't quite enough to be seriously competitive and a barren farm system that doesn't have a lot of talent in the pipeline. They have no window to win with those veterans and nothing to look forward to that might make them competitive with the class of their division or even for the wild card for the next 3-5 years. They need to rebuild, restock their farm system and try to build a winner that emerges in that 3-5 year from now window when the Astros and A's talent starts hitting free agency and Trout is past his prime. They are trading off their high priced talent trying to restock that farm system now, and will likely take it on the chin for a couple of seasons to get some high draft picks to also build up their pipeline. It's the blueprint teams like the Astros, the Royals, the Braves and others have followed this decade. It sucks in the short term, but long term it lets a team build a competitive team with a longer window of contention. Cano wasn't going to help them in 3-5 years, neither was Diaz. Segura might have, but his contract was going to expire before then and they would have to pony up a lot of money in free agency to keep him. Crawford is a prospect (he was the #10 prospect going into this season but was limited by injuries and pretty much had a lost season), and Santana is a power guy that can play in the interim and can be traded to a would be contender in a deadline deal for more prospects come this July when Seattle is out of contention. It's had for the fanbase of a team to accept the dismantling of a veteran team and the transition into a rebuilding phase, but its now the way you have to build teams in MLB if you want to have a contender with a longer window-lots of young talent with affordable controllable contracts at the same time. Big market teams can manage it without going through a string of losing seasons, but medium and small market teams have to sacrifice a season or three to make it happen. Seattle tried to compete with veterans signed through free agency and trading prospects for proven talent and fell short. Now their cupboards are bare of prospects and they have nothing to show for their efforts, so they are scrapping things and starting over. -M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 1:29:55 GMT -5
Your analysis makes sense ... @mrp and looks like they starting over and that's why the M's are doing these days.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 9:35:54 GMT -5
@mrp -- They are even open the idea of trading outfielder Mitch Haniger and third baseman Kyle Seager as well.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 4, 2018 10:31:43 GMT -5
Our Roster will never, ever be a same ... I just find this latest trade makes no sense to me ... The Astros are going to be the class of the AL West for some time to come. They are young and all under contract and controllable. The A's made huge strides forward and are also young and under contract and controllable and are opening a new ballpark in a few years so have incentive to keep rather than trade those players away like they often do. The Angels have Mike Trout and are a pitcher or two away from being competitive in that division with the Astros and A's. What did the Mariners have? A lot of older high priced veterans who weren't quite enough to be seriously competitive and a barren farm system that doesn't have a lot of talent in the pipeline. They have no window to win with those veterans and nothing to look forward to that might make them competitive with the class of their division or even for the wild card for the next 3-5 years. They need to rebuild, restock their farm system and try to build a winner that emerges in that 3-5 year from now window when the Astros and A's talent starts hitting free agency and Trout is past his prime. They are trading off their high priced talent trying to restock that farm system now, and will likely take it on the chin for a couple of seasons to get some high draft picks to also build up their pipeline. It's the blueprint teams like the Astros, the Royals, the Braves and others have followed this decade. It sucks in the short term, but long term it lets a team build a competitive team with a longer window of contention. Cano wasn't going to help them in 3-5 years, neither was Diaz. Segura might have, but his contract was going to expire before then and they would have to pony up a lot of money in free agency to keep him. Crawford is a prospect (he was the #10 prospect going into this season but was limited by injuries and pretty much had a lost season), and Santana is a power guy that can play in the interim and can be traded to a would be contender in a deadline deal for more prospects come this July when Seattle is out of contention. It's had for the fanbase of a team to accept the dismantling of a veteran team and the transition into a rebuilding phase, but its now the way you have to build teams in MLB if you want to have a contender with a longer window-lots of young talent with affordable controllable contracts at the same time. Big market teams can manage it without going through a string of losing seasons, but medium and small market teams have to sacrifice a season or three to make it happen. Seattle tried to compete with veterans signed through free agency and trading prospects for proven talent and fell short. Now their cupboards are bare of prospects and they have nothing to show for their efforts, so they are scrapping things and starting over. -M What you are seeing in MLB is that teams are recognizing there is no benefit to being in the middle, particularly for smaller-revenue teams. Either they need to be competing for division titles and the World Series, or they are going to tear it down to the studs and rebuild. Fans used to support teams through thick and thin, good years and bad, but now they only want winners, and they show that through their spending. The Pittsburgh Pirates, who had their first winning season in three years (82-79), were at 1.47MM, a drop from 1.91MM the previous year, while Tampa Bay, who finished with a 90-72 record (albeit 18 games out of first place), lost almost 100K fans from 2017. The effect on bad teams was even worse. Baltimore (-465K), Cincinnati (-210K), Detroit (-465K), Kansas City (-555K), Miami (-770K), Texas (-400K), and Toronto (-880K) all lost hundreds of thousands of ticket buyers in 2018, which perpetuates the downward spiral. Without funds to pay for better players, how are teams supposed to improve unless they go through a complete and total teardown, bottoming out on payroll and building through prospects while trading good, older players on bigger contracts to teams that can afford it, which just happen to be the big-market teams that already have advantages in terms of income? On top of this, another factor in the payroll discussion is TV contracts. With cable on the decline as cord-cutting increases, MLB is going to have to figure out a way to deliver in-market games to fans or else they risk losing generations of fans who refuse to pay $150-$200 per month for bloated cable packages just to watch live sports. My wife and I cut the cord two years ago and although we occasionally pine for the days when we could watch any game we wanted, we have found other uses for both our time and money; because of that, our interest in the game overall is waning, to the point that last year was the first time in probably three decades that I did not attend a Pirates game in person. Couple that with younger fans who never developed a deep love for the game and that is a recipe for disaster for the coming years for baseball.
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Post by Warmonger on Dec 4, 2018 15:24:36 GMT -5
Urban Meyer stepping down as the coach at OSU after their bowl game.
And with that, Jim Harbaugh was just handed the keys to the Big 10.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 4, 2018 15:34:10 GMT -5
Urban Meyer stepping down as the coach at OSU after their bowl game. And with that, Jim Harbaugh was just handed the keys to the Big 10. Maybe, maybe not. Penn State and Wisconsin are usually tough, and Nebraska will be on the rise now that Scott Frost has his feet under him and will be putting his guys on the roster instead of working with what his predecessor left him. And never forget that THE Ohio State University has a lot of prestige. The team wasn't exactly a dumpster fire before Meyer got there, so it's not like they are some flash in the pan that was dependent on the coach for their success.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 4, 2018 17:03:08 GMT -5
Urban Meyer stepping down as the coach at OSU after their bowl game. And with that, Jim Harbaugh was just handed the keys to the Big 10. I'll believe it when Harbaugh actually manages to win a big game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 20:36:36 GMT -5
NHL HOCKEY COMING TO SEATTLE ... We will begin play in 2021-2022 Season and become the 32nd team in NHL history.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 5, 2018 9:43:47 GMT -5
NHL HOCKEY COMING TO SEATTLE ... We will begin play in 2021-2022 Season and become the 32nd team in NHL history. Just a minor note, but Seattle will be the 32nd current team/franchise in the NHL. There have been many other teams/franchises to either fold, relocate, or merge in the history of the league. I'm excited about this, far more than I was about the team in Las Vegas. Seattle is a city made for hockey, and I'm sure their rivalry with the Vancouver Canucks will ramp up quickly. The list of names presented as possibilities thus far is underwhelming (I sure hope they don't pick something like "Kraken" just because they think it sounds edgy), but I'm sure a expansive list is in the works; I've seen Metropolitans, Totems, and Sea Lions (I really like this one) also suggested.
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Post by Warmonger on Dec 5, 2018 9:47:47 GMT -5
Urban Meyer stepping down as the coach at OSU after their bowl game. And with that, Jim Harbaugh was just handed the keys to the Big 10. Maybe, maybe not. Penn State and Wisconsin are usually tough, and Nebraska will be on the rise now that Scott Frost has his feet under him and will be putting his guys on the roster instead of working with what his predecessor left him. And never forget that THE Ohio State University has a lot of prestige. The team wasn't exactly a dumpster fire before Meyer got there, so it's not like they are some flash in the pan that was dependent on the coach for their success. I know that Ryan Day is supposed to be the next big offensive guru and I’ll certainly give him credit for Haskins’ dramatic improvement as this season carried on...but the next Urban Meyer he ain’t. Wisconsin and Penn State just sort of bleed together in the division. Quality programs but clearly not on par with the Buckeyes and Wolverines. I hated Frost when he played for the Jets but I think he’s a quality coach. Still, it’s going to take at least another 2-3 recruiting classes before Nebraska is ready to hang with the big boys IMO. With that being said, if Michigan doesn’t make the final four playoff next year, much less win the Big 10...then you have to consider Harbaugh’s tenure there a MASSIVE disappointment.
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