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Post by hondobrode on Dec 10, 2019 10:26:27 GMT -5
The Big Happy Marvel Bullpen
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 10, 2019 10:28:43 GMT -5
I saw some more recent Jim Lee Superman comic panel or cover where Superman and Superboy did not have the Hulk-sized muscles, and Supergirl looked humanly proportioned (could only find this partial image). And here's a sketch that seems more Michael Turner-ish... That Super panel looks more like Ivan Reis. You guys have collectively managed to come up with my opinion of Jim Lee... he's able to mimick whatever style is popular at the time reasonably well, but if it's the style you like, you're better off with the person who created it. He doesn't really have a style of his own. (unless you could excessive cross hatching as a style)
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 10, 2019 10:29:23 GMT -5
It's a nice idea. I believed in it too for a lot of years. I am glad the lie exists.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 10, 2019 10:32:48 GMT -5
It's a nice idea. I believed in it too for a lot of years. I am glad the lie exists. That would make a great tv show.. like the West Wing, but with comics!
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Post by MDG on Dec 10, 2019 11:02:00 GMT -5
It's a nice idea. I believed in it too for a lot of years. I am glad the lie exists. The lie we all want to believe....
(Actually, once in NYC, my friend and I recognized Julie Schwartz on the street and started talking to him. He was nice enough, but when we asked if we could go to DC, he said, "Ah, you don't want to go up there. It's just a buncha offices.")
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 11:14:30 GMT -5
It's a nice idea. I believed in it too for a lot of years. I am glad the lie exists. I prefer the truth, though. I mean, wrestling is real, right? If someone ever told me it was fake, my illusions would be shattered! That won't happen as I believe it is 100% real, but just imagine if someone revealed it wasn't - and how that lie would shatter the illusions of wrestling fans everywhere.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 10, 2019 11:41:53 GMT -5
It's a nice idea. I believed in it too for a lot of years. I am glad the lie exists. I prefer the truth, though. I mean, wrestling is real, right? If someone ever told me it was fake, my illusions would be shattered! That won't happen as I believe it is 100% real, but just imagine if someone revealed it wasn't - and how that lie would shatter the illusions of wrestling fans everywhere. Eh, you can have both. You need a degree of illogical suspension of disbelief to invest the experience of watching wrestling with emotional stakes. You can acknowledge the value of the Bible as myth - and think that myth is at least as important as truth - without being a full-on literalist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 11:52:48 GMT -5
I hope you know that post wasn't intended to be taken seriously.
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Post by impulse on Dec 10, 2019 11:53:00 GMT -5
That Super panel looks more like Ivan Reis. You guys have collectively managed to come up with my opinion of Jim Lee... he's able to mimick whatever style is popular at the time reasonably well, but if it's the style you like, you're better off with the person who created it. He doesn't really have a style of his own. (unless you could excessive cross hatching as a style) Interesting. I have an opposite impression. The dude is really good at that 90s SUPER DETAILED big muscles and flexy poses drawing and was in fact one of the very best in that style, but I wouldn't call him especially versatile. His style largely informed what Marvel's house style was in the 90s after they left.
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Post by kirby101 on Dec 10, 2019 14:21:23 GMT -5
That Super panel looks more like Ivan Reis. You guys have collectively managed to come up with my opinion of Jim Lee... he's able to mimick whatever style is popular at the time reasonably well, but if it's the style you like, you're better off with the person who created it. He doesn't really have a style of his own. (unless you could excessive cross hatching as a style) I am not sure you understood my post. I was not saying that was Jim Lee looking like Ivan Reiss. That is actually an Ivan Reiss panel. You may not like Lee's style, but I have no problem recognizing his work. It doesn't look like Reiss at all
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 10, 2019 18:58:20 GMT -5
That Jim Lee art looks a lot better than his earlier work to me, I guess he dropped a lot of the '90s trademarks like all the excessive large cross-hatching and every surface being shiny, plus the Hulk proportion muscles and tree trunk necks. Scary Krypto!
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Post by Duragizer on Dec 10, 2019 21:45:35 GMT -5
Which reminds me.... Post- Crisis Krypto was a stupid idea. A super-powered dog in a cape may have worked in the wacky Silver Age, but he sticks out like a sore thumb in a world grounded in verisimilitude. Just another prime example of the witless nostalgia which turned me off from the post-Triangle Era Superman comics. There, I said it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 23:35:54 GMT -5
Which reminds me.... Post- Crisis Krypto was a stupid idea. A super-powered dog in a cape may have worked in the wacky Silver Age, but he sticks out like a sore thumb in a world grounded in verisimilitude. Just another prime example of the witless nostalgia which turned me off from the post-Triangle Era Superman comics. There, I said it. On the other hand, Krypto has worked exceedingly well in the live action Titans show and is one of my favorite parts of the show, one that is a world grounded in verisimilitude to the point of being almost exceedingly grim and gritty. The boy and his dog trope with Krypto and Conor serves to instantly connect both with the audience (at least those who are dog lovers) -M
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Post by Duragizer on Dec 10, 2019 23:52:04 GMT -5
Which reminds me.... Post- Crisis Krypto was a stupid idea. A super-powered dog in a cape may have worked in the wacky Silver Age, but he sticks out like a sore thumb in a world grounded in verisimilitude. Just another prime example of the witless nostalgia which turned me off from the post-Triangle Era Superman comics. There, I said it. On the other hand, Krypto has worked exceedingly well in the live action Titans show and is one of my favorite parts of the show, one that is a world grounded in verisimilitude to the point of being almost exceedingly grim and gritty. The boy and his dog trope with Krypto and Conor serves to instantly connect both with the audience (at least those who are dog lovers) -M Maybe Krypto can work in a live-action TV show (real dogs are hard not to like), but when I see him in a Modern Age comic, he just takes me out of the story.
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 10, 2019 23:53:50 GMT -5
I was just reading a Generation X Marvel circa 1999 and suddenly there is Peter Porker The Spider-Ham running around the Massachusetts academy grounds being chased by Ducktor Doom! That was like having Super Turtle show up in an actual Superman story... and worse than Popeye being in the crowd at some Shi'ar Empire outer space get together. They explain it was two very young mutants using those image generator thing Nightcrawler and The Beast sometimes use, but cutesy stuff like that risks really blowing the gravitas of even a quieter scene. On the other hand, She-Hulk complaining about the narrator in a Heroes For Hire of around the same time was somewhat at home in a sort of between serious stories issue. Batman in particular would be easily undone by some of those '50s add-ons like Bat Mite, or if Ace the Bat Hound were to really be shown as having a serious role, so I can see Krypto being actually real type attacking scary could hit the same note because of the cape. I can't abide characters like Mxyzptlyx usually, they used him in the modern Supergirl tv series and I guess it worked as well as it can, but it still undermined the reality overall even if it had a couple actually funny moments and was about as subtle as such a magical creature can be played. It's a big risk anyway. marvel's Impossible Man ruined things fro me in the '70s and '80s comics he was in, especially with his almost identical mate. Tin and no-name in The Metal Men could also be over-milked, but at least it's premise was even more fantasy to begin with.
Somewhere between the Batman laughing at some not funny 'joke' after beating the Calculator (terrible villain) at the end of Detective Comics #468 and the Bat-tank running over crowds of people and mutants in Dark Knight Returns there is a really cool character. Keep Ace semi-official and used very sparingly. I think the capes probably have to be out for anything serious though.
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