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Post by coinilius on Aug 16, 2017 5:05:04 GMT -5
Some more:
Frank Miller's Holy Terror was originally Holy Terror, Batman!
The Rob Lefield Fighting American was originally made using left over material from Heroes Reborn Captaon America.
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Post by coinilius on Aug 15, 2017 21:12:48 GMT -5
Youngblood was a reworking of a Titans pitch that Rob had worked on as well.
I echo the statements about Hawkman - while that would have been interesting, the Tony Issabella run is a favourite of mine and Katar Hol Hawkman had enough problems with what was done with him later (Hawkworld) - better to develop that idea as an original property.
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Post by coinilius on Aug 8, 2017 8:35:05 GMT -5
That was pre-Flashpoint Lois and Clark not pre- Crisis Lois and Clark but yeah... Convergence never really felt like it tapped into the actual feel of the old characters and eras it was returning, IMO, except in a couple of rare cases - the Secret Wars tie-ins over at Marvel around the same time did a much better job, I felt.
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Post by coinilius on Jul 30, 2017 5:32:40 GMT -5
Thing was, Rob showed promise, at first. He was raw and undisciplined; but, he had a good visual sense. I thought he was someone to watch, on Hawk & Dove. It turned out that Karl Kesel was doing a lot of cleanup. It seemed to me, when he had more editorial scrutiny, his work was better. As he got more and more freedom, he got looser and sloppier. He was a mess with Youngblood and it's related books. Greg Burgas covered him in his Year of the Artist, at CBR (the late, very lamented Comics Should Be Good blog) and you could see some growth. He had some stuff from post 2000 that looked far sharper than his 90s material. He still used too many lines and his sense of anatomy was still not good; but, his proportions were better and his storytelling stronger. One thing I will say, though, the boy had no grasp of science. In an interview in Comics Scene, in advance of Youngblood, he was talking about characters and was discussing one of his generic "big guys," Brahma. He said the inspiration came from friends, who were triplets. He asked how that occurred and they said one egg that splits into three (which is rare, as most triplets are born from more than one fertilized egg). Rob says his "warped mind" (his words) wondered what would happen if the egg didn't split? Would a giant baby come out? I sat there, stunned, and said out loud, "No, stupid, normal birth!" It isn't a giant ovum that splits. He then says, elsewhere in the article, that he wanted to quit school to get into comics; but, his parents forced him to get his diploma, before trying to get work. That said it all to me. Later, in the debut issue of Youngblood, he had Shaft, a human character, throw a ballpoint pen, upwards, to a second floor stairwell landing, and impale someone in the throat. That's a neat trick since, (a) the pen has little mass and won't have much impact, (b) he's throwing against the pull of gravity and (c) a ballpoint pen is rather blunt and isn't likely to penetrate the skin unless it is jammed in at close range and in a soft spot. I laughed hysterically at that scene, when I looked at the comics in my LCS. I can make fun of his work; but, he was very successful and was able to chart his own path, free of the shackles of DC and Marvel. That's worthy of respect, even if his swipes are not. I have that issue of Comicscene where there is an interview with Rob where he talks about Brahma's origin - it's actually a fascinating interview about the beginnings of Young Blood and there is a real sense of excitement and passion form Rob, along with some actually interesting ideas... but there's some real howlers as well, including describing Cougar's race as being a 'cat-wolves'!
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Post by coinilius on Jul 26, 2017 2:25:48 GMT -5
Kanigher also wrote Wonder Woman for years, even if he wasn't always the best, during a period where it would have been a very thankless task - he came back to the character on a number of occasions as well, also for better or for worse, but to be attached to the character for more than twenty years he must have had some affection or sense of duty towards the property. Kanigher despised Wonder Woman. He only took the job as part of a package deal: he was promoted to editor in the late '40s on the condition he took Wondy off of Sheldon Mayer's hands (Mayer also disliked the character and loathed her creator). He stuck with it all those years because A) DC was contractually obligated to publish the book lest the rights revert to the Marston estate, B) nobody else at DC wanted to do it, and C) though a brilliant writer when engaged in his work, Kanigher could also, as Rob notes above, be a shameless whore, writing strictly for the paycheck. He was so cynical about the strip that when he took it back over after the Sekowsky run, he recycled old scripts from the late '40s/early '50s, terrible stories totally out of sync with the '70s market. Cei-U! Can you tell I have very little respect for the man? I did a bit of googling before posing earlier because I was looking for anything that said what Kanigher's feelings were on the character but couldn't find anything, which was why I tried to be cagey at the end (and certainly, I wasn't trying to suggest that he was writing A Grade material for the book). Funnily enough, I quickly found something today which mentions how Kanigher never liked the character (as well as other interesting information about Marston and Wonder Woman) at: www.npr.org/2015/07/10/421464118/the-man-behind-wonder-woman-was-inspired-by-both-suffragists-and-centerfolds
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Post by coinilius on Jul 25, 2017 6:38:35 GMT -5
Kanigher also wrote Wonder Woman for years, even if he wasn't always the best, during a period where it would have been a very thankless task - he came back to the character on a number of occasions as well, also for better or for worse, but to be attached to the character for more than twenty years he must have had some affection or sense of duty towards the property.
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Post by coinilius on Jul 21, 2017 23:39:43 GMT -5
I quite like Wonder Tot as well lol
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Post by coinilius on Jul 21, 2017 16:58:07 GMT -5
It was the Amazon Magic Eye story which Carol put as the first appearance of Seperate Character Wonder Girl, the story which you mentioned in your opening post (sorry I might have gotten the issue numbers wrong when I posted before) - as you mentioned yourself, it's kind of ambiguous as to whether Wonder Girl and Diana are seperate or not in that story, though presumably it was still meant to be just young Diana - Diana often seems to be talking about herself at different ages as being seperate people. The various Mer-Boy/Mer-Man, Bird-Boy/Bird-Man relationships with Diana and Wonder Girl also add to the confusion.
I quite enjoy the Impossible Tales era of Wonder Woman - they're goofy, but they have a charm and sense of family and fun to them that is actually quite nice. I've got a soft spot for the whole Magic Penny origin up to the (first of many) 'Return to the Golden Age' run, actually.
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Post by coinilius on Jul 21, 2017 2:54:39 GMT -5
No mention yet of Carol Strickland and all the wonderful writing she has done on the subject of Wonder Woman and Donna Troy? On her old Wonder Woman Central she laid out that she thought issue #123 was the first appearance of Wonder Girl as a seperate character, though acknowledges the ambiguity issues.
Also, to add to the confusion - issue #200, during the mod Diana Prince era, reprints the story from issue #144 but there are some changes - it is inteoduced as being about Diana when she was a (Wonder) girl, and the art has been retouched to make the adult Diana and Wonder Tot into simply random Amazons!
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Post by coinilius on May 27, 2017 1:21:42 GMT -5
The Pre-Teen Dirty Gene Kung Fu Kangaroos is also one
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Post by coinilius on May 26, 2017 22:32:18 GMT -5
At the TMNT Entity blog the blogger has covered quite a few of the Turtle inspired characters and parodies.
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Post by coinilius on May 20, 2017 6:27:56 GMT -5
So far I have only watched about half of Deadpool - it just didn't grab me in any way, so my interest just waned and I turned it off and haven't gone back. It had some funny lines but overall it just didn't click with me.
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Post by coinilius on Apr 22, 2017 21:27:12 GMT -5
I always thought that by not doing anything with that weird origin they really missed an opportunity - none of the revivals have done anything with it either.
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Post by coinilius on Apr 21, 2017 17:26:33 GMT -5
I didn't realise there was a new Fighting American coming out - thanks for the heads up, I'll have to look into it. Ironically Titan is a British publisher! I believe the creative team did some work on Judge Dredd. No announcement on the release date. [ Yeah - Titan releases a trade of the Simon and Kirby Fighting American material awhile ago, so I guess they have the licence.
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Post by coinilius on Apr 20, 2017 23:13:34 GMT -5
I didn't realise there was a new Fighting American coming out - thanks for the heads up, I'll have to look into it.
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