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Post by james on Mar 27, 2024 20:21:49 GMT -5
Correct me if I’m wrong but really the only difference was the ending? This makes me wonder how would the last 45 years have been affected? The ending is main difference is the ending. It was totally redrawn with a different plot (Jean defeated and depowered versus killing herself). It's not the only difference. There's one panel earlier in the story where Angel was drawn in place of Gladiator and the dialogue consequently changes. There are also various rewritten dialogue earlier in the issue that doesn't really change the meaning much, but there are a couple places earlier in the issues where there are significant dialogue changes. First, as I mentioned in my original post on #137, the 2 or 3 pages dealing with each of the individual X-Men in turn on the night before the battle on the moon have significantly altered dialogue. Originally, most of the characters were thinking about themselves. In the rewritten version, their thoughts are more focused on Jean, and specifically how they feel morally about fighting on her behalf. The other part earlier in the issue where scripting significantly changed things was when Lilandra tells Beast and Angel that they aren't X-Men so they're free to go rather than participating the duel. In the published version in that moment they both confidently want to stay and fight. But in the Untold Story version, Beast has dialogue where he is going to take Lilandra up on her offer before Angel cuts him off. In thought balloons, Beast reflects that Angel foiled his plan. He was hoping to go back to Earth, so he could get the Avengers or other Earth heroes as reinforcements. Thank you for the reminder. I haven’t read the Untold probably since it came out.
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Post by james on Mar 27, 2024 19:50:35 GMT -5
In a reprint or trade or maybe the actual issue in your collection? Sorry, I probably should've specified that it was in the UK Classic Marvel Graphic Novel Collection edition of the "Second Genesis" hardcover. No way I'd be able to afford the original issue! lol. Me either
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Post by james on Mar 27, 2024 17:34:44 GMT -5
Actually, I didn't re-read every word of Phoenix: The Untold Story. For those who don't know, it was a one-shot that printed the intend original version of Uncanny X-Men #137, before Jim Shooter took umbrage at the fact that Phoenix wasn't going to die for her crimes and forced changes for the version that actually saw publication. Jean's death wasn't Shooter's idea. He wanted her to be taken to a prison asteroid to be eternally tortured, prompting Byrne to say, "F**k that, I'd rather kill her!" Oddly, Jean Grey's mostly obscured head appears on the wanted poster and then we get Rachel in the story. She doesn't get a surname in the story, but the redheaded telepath/telekinetic suggested her eventual origin as the daughter of Jean Grey. How could this be? Was it because it was already plotted before the old ending to #137 was scrapped, and they just decided they're weren't going to rewrite this one two? Was this already supposed to be an alternate Earth that Kitty went back to even though she thought it was her own past? Did they already want to hint that a Phoenix could always rise again? Byrne said he plotted DOFP months before "The Fate of the Phoenix", with Rachel as Scott and Jean's daughter. When #137 was altered, she was too central to the story to eliminate, so Byrne retained her as a generic telepath, assuming Claremont would no longer connect her to Scott and Jean. Correct me if I’m wrong but really the only difference was the ending? This makes me wonder how would the last 45 years have been affected?
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Post by james on Mar 27, 2024 17:29:40 GMT -5
I read a real Bronze Age classic for the first time yesterday, Giant-Size X-Men #1... It's a fun comic and I can see why it was such a hit back in 1975. The opening pages showing Professor Xavier getting the new team together -- which serve as a neat showcase for each new member -- were really enjoyable and might've been my favourite part of the whole comic. The new team itself hangs together pretty well, with the possible exception of Banshee who, I dunno, just seems a bit out of place. He seems older than the rest, so maybe that's it? The Japanese hero Sunfire also doesn't seem like a great fit, but I'm guessing he leaves the X-Men pretty quickly anyway. Len Wein's plot is fairly basic and some of his characterisation of the ethnic, non-white American superheroes is heavily stereotyped by modern standards. But regardless, the issue really allows the new team to shine, which was the point, I guess. There's a good amount of Marvel's patented dysfunctional team angst in the writing too, which gets a little tiresome from a modern perspective, but the characters are certainly an interesting bunch -- Nightcrawler, Wolverine and Storm are really likeable right out of the gate. I'm not sure the ending, in which the villainous, mutant island of Krakoa gets launched away into space, makes a whole lot of sense, but hey...comics! Dave Cockrum's artwork is really nice too, and I especially enjoyed the way he rendered the scenes in which Krakoa comes to life. I'm glad I finally got around to reading this. I'll be continuing on with X-Men #94. [b In a reprint or trade or maybe the actual issue in your collection?
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Post by james on Mar 26, 2024 12:35:18 GMT -5
KAL
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Post by james on Mar 21, 2024 14:24:39 GMT -5
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Post by james on Mar 19, 2024 17:45:22 GMT -5
Did you think Kirby and Perez wouldn't move the needle? On this board? -M Oh man, I missed Kirby. I was never a fan of Perez as a writer.
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Post by james on Mar 19, 2024 14:36:11 GMT -5
Find it interesting that so far Frank Miller has zero votes. Other than his DD run I’ve never been super impressed.with either his art or his writing. While I liked the first 10 issues of DD (scripted by Mackenzie). I don’t really find his run holds up More so than the others?
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Post by james on Mar 19, 2024 14:31:20 GMT -5
The heroes have been discussed but what happens to the villains? Are they scattered to the 4 winds? Does Magneto become the FF’s second most dangerous villain? Juggernaut becomes a DD and Spidey villain ? Etc etc
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Post by james on Mar 18, 2024 14:24:36 GMT -5
Pulled out my TPB of New Teen Titans. Let’s see if they hold up 44 years later.
Currently I’m juggling: Teen Titans FF VOL. 3 masterworks Hitman 13-18 DD Born Again Stern /Byrne Cap And Avengers 164-166 .
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Post by james on Mar 16, 2024 15:08:16 GMT -5
Ok what if Roger Stern had rebooted Superman? I know he worked on Death of Superman, but what if he started from the beginning?
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Post by james on Mar 16, 2024 15:02:16 GMT -5
It may have been answered but would Madelyn Pryor no longer exist? Would Wolverine not go through the numerous changes ?
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Post by james on Mar 16, 2024 4:48:40 GMT -5
How many of the characters would be members of the Avengers or Defenders during this time?
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Post by james on Mar 14, 2024 7:51:56 GMT -5
Great Perez cover. Crossover Classics
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Post by james on Mar 12, 2024 8:47:34 GMT -5
TARTANPHANTOM. Close Second Prince Hal
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