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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 10:46:28 GMT -5
in advertising, non ad ppl have said the same thing. which never stopped heads rolling if sales of the product went down after the ad campaign 'if only due to 'correlation' caused sales to drop. #Shooter-ism It's one thing for people in advertising to make decisions based on faulty logic( it's their money so they're free to make decisions how they wish ) but it's a completely other thing when trying to actually debate the idea in a logical way. comics are a product which lead to advertising which lead to ancillary product sales. like DALEK SOAP. 'faulty logic' kinda demeans 'the hope that the message through the medium' will be heard and responded to, which is the cause of most tv existing at all. most of what we love on the small screen has been a shill for corporate conglomerates.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 9:55:42 GMT -5
d'accord though i diagree that the politics were 'hidden'. yes, more or less hidden, as I doubt Miller and Sienkiewicz told their edtor they were about to create a political pamphlet. love that reply. but disagree. true politics are what the public 'see' and decide themselves from what they see. vox populi. 'hidden' is bureaucracy, masquerading as politics.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 9:45:48 GMT -5
I don't hate, you, but all your exemples indeed have more or less hidden politics, while those I used as exemple don't hide anything: politics is the subject, and those work also have an opinion, and are comics, and great ones. All am sayin'. So yes, comics can be foremost poliical and still be great comics d'accord though i diagree that the politics were 'hidden'.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 9:34:36 GMT -5
chowder
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 9:32:37 GMT -5
the meaning is very simple. it means, according to comichron, semi-recent lessening sales of traditional monthly-comics is correspondent with certain writers spending more of their time on social media espousing partisan-politics rather than spending that extra ‘free’ time making their scripts better. This is more the case with Marvel than DC, as DC still has a ‘we make comics, we pay you to make comics, use twitter to mainly blab about comics or even your non-comics-medium writing but keep your politics to yourself, until you get paid to be a politician, buddy. Or switch to Rich Johnston’s/Heidi MacDonald’s side of the street and get paid for opinion, rather than plots/scripts.’ It seems Spencer and Slott (maybe even Waid) haven’t learned from the mistakes of Byrne and Miller, albeit Waid/Spencer and Miller Byrne being philosophically apposite in their relative opposition. There may be a correlation but that does not mean that one has actually caused the other. in advertising, non ad ppl have said the same thing. which never stopped heads rolling if sales of the product went down after the ad campaign 'if only due to 'correlation' caused sales to drop. #Shooter-ism
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 9:18:48 GMT -5
I doubt that in 2017 there is such a thing as an un-selfcouncious comic book nerd I don't know if I agree with that. You have the rise of the superhero movies which is a new jumping off point, but I will say I am not self-conscious about it at all...probably has to do with my antisocial tendencies and subtle schadenfreude at other's disdain for my life choices. (Except I am one of the most social people I know...go figure.) and the fact that the superhero movies/tv and comics they've come from have fractured-apart from themselves so much.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 5:33:16 GMT -5
If you refer to the people who work for you as "lackey", "underling" or "dolt". I actually used to refer to a young woman I was mentoring at a previous employer as my "minion". Does that count? yes, but unless she's a fan of '50 Shades of Fanfic Derived #@@!!!' she'll sue you.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 5:31:04 GMT -5
i like the classic Lost in Space one: 'belligerant booby!'
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 5:29:10 GMT -5
Sure, I agree with yor exemples... But how about mine then? How could you read that work without foremost thinking about it as a political work, in the sense of those old Costa Gavras movies with Yves Montand? And yet, it is IMHO one crown achievement of both Moore and Sienkiewicz, one of the most important US comics ever, in so many ways. I think that some of Kyle Baker recent work falls in the same category, and so would obviously all three volumes of March from Rep. Lewis. well, 1st off, GREAT counter reply and much appreciated in answering, i always believe the personal is the political, stemming from experience which leads to philosophy which leads to politics. that's just me. so i look at the Miller/Sienkiewicz Daredevil graphic novel as being more political, as at least it dealt with mental illness (i mean the Kingpin's own and the 'guy in the closet' from that publication) as a major issue without 'being on the nose', as too many wannabe screenwriters say to excuse their lack of plotting skills or love of Warhol 'films', lol. please don't hate me,
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 3:52:15 GMT -5
i adored speaking to Shelly on the phone! all hail Shelly! lol
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 2:36:29 GMT -5
you had to explain to a woman that 'mylar snug' was not a 'dirty' reference/thing.
you knew what an 'editor' was, and what they do, before age 10.
'retcon' is a 'four letter word' to you.
you ever played the marvel superheroes card game long before Magic the Gathering even existed.
you know how G R R Martin tried to make $$ outta super-heroes long before game of thrones.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 2:30:49 GMT -5
Claremont/Cockrum X-Men
LoSH
Squadron Sinister
early 1980's Teen Titans
early Buscema and Perez Avengers
silver-age X-men (up til Neal's final issue)
Kirby's Challengers of the Unknown
Eternals (pre Gaiman)
Inhumans
Sunrunners
Kirby/Buscema/Romita/Perez/Buckler FF
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 2:04:58 GMT -5
Highly disagree with that well, there's that, yes. but I think if we define our stances on the issue we might disagree less, or find common-ground. For example, Marshall Law by Epic was highly political, but the politics were an aspect of the series, the entire reason for it being extant at all, not merely the writer and illustrator using politics to 'sell the book' or bolster failing sales. Yet it was, in it's way, enjoyable even if a reader couldn't give a rotten fig about politics. Which is the way I felt about the original V for Vendetta: a story which is fascinating on it's own and well written on its own and superbly-drawn on its own sans politic s. Though I feel 'V' is more philosophical than political. The politics were a backdrop. Much like Miracleman, by Moore.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 1:44:42 GMT -5
force writers to stop their nut baggy-partisan nonsence on twitter etc. get editors/creators to spend over 70% of their free time aside from bills/sleep/eating/etc. to be on their COMICS work. which of as the past year, AIN'T happenin'. anyone who spends more than 30% of their available time tweeting about hillary or trump or any politics AIN'T a comics writer. or artist . politics ain't comics. apples ain't oranges. can't sell old moldy apples to potential customers asking for ORANGES. So you're in favor of corporate slavery. i could never be in favour of any form of slavery at all. too many people apart from this board have iPhones which could be argued by many people are the product of slavery, as stated on N.P.R. in fact, android phones might suffer the same allegations. i wonder how many board members here post with an iPhone or Android... yet question 'corporate slavery'. there's a wide berth between doing what you're priveleged to do, without going off your nut for your own gratification, which is not paid for by a contract a freelancer signs, and 'slavery'. in modern times, as someone with your credentials would know, no slave is offered a contract and is free to sign, or not sign, that contact.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 1:27:19 GMT -5
how many people here have paid money to acquire recent indie Scottish (vs Scottish freelancer) comics?
How many non-aussie or non-Kiwi people here have paid for 'pure Aussie' comics? from 1983 or so? and still have them in their collection?
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