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Post by BigPapaJoe on Dec 19, 2014 5:27:00 GMT -5
I've been reading Avengers and X-Men from the beginning along with The Fantastic Four and Thor. Mostly Avengers. I'm about ten issues in or so and I have to admit that due to the time period it's been kind of a chore. Now I know it's important to have some historical perspective and consider the writing at the time along with what audiences comics were aimed towards at the said time. Along with society's views on what was and wasn't appropriate in comic book narratives at the time. I still find some entertainment in stories from the early 60's, but it definitely is difficult to get through sometimes. Especially when I'm also reading modern day comics. I'm wondering how far back you folks go in reading mainstream American superhero comics like these titles. And do you have to adjust your sensibilities for the time period? Or does it not bother you at all. Just seems hard for me to be engaged and/or invested. Strange, I don't have the same issue with a lot of old television shows like The Twilight Zone or Star Trek.
Part of me is thinking about asking for these titles if I should skip ahead to a better starting point. At the same time I don't want to miss anything good. Perhaps if I spend more time with it I'll be fine. Fantastic Four and Avengers are probably the strongest titles I've read thus far from the era.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 7:03:10 GMT -5
I'm reading Mickey and Dick Tracy strips from the 1930's right now.
How old was the first Tintin?
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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 19, 2014 7:09:47 GMT -5
I'm reading Mickey and Dick Tracy strips from the 1930's right now. How old was the first Tintin? Around that time, though I think I've read the revised editions of those and never got around to reading the actual first one (Soviets)
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 19, 2014 7:16:12 GMT -5
I've been reading Avengers and X-Men from the beginning along with The Fantastic Four and Thor. Mostly Avengers. I'm about ten issues in or so and I have to admit that due to the time period it's been kind of a chore. Now I know it's important to have some historical perspective and consider the writing at the time along with what audiences comics were aimed towards at the said time. Along with society's views on what was and wasn't appropriate in comic book narratives at the time. I still find some entertainment in stories from the early 60's, but it definitely is difficult to get through sometimes. Especially when I'm also reading modern day comics. I'm wondering how far back you folks go in reading mainstream American superhero comics like these titles. And do you have to adjust your sensibilities for the time period? Or does it not bother you at all. Just seems hard for me to be engaged and/or invested. Strange, I don't have the same issue with a lot of old television shows like The Twilight Zone or Star Trek. Part of me is thinking about asking for these titles if I should skip ahead to a better starting point. At the same time I don't want to miss anything good. Perhaps if I spend more time with it I'll be fine. Fantastic Four and Avengers are probably the strongest titles I've read thus far from the era. I usually read books from the 60's and up. I will admit , because of reading today's decompressed books, that It feels a little more difficult to get through some older comics. Or maybe it's a personal taste issue. I can read older Avengers comics and enjoy it but I have read Spider-man from the beginning and it takes 30 minutes per issue. I was never a big Spider-man fan.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 19, 2014 7:29:11 GMT -5
I've been reading Avengers and X-Men from the beginning along with The Fantastic Four and Thor. Mostly Avengers. I'm about ten issues in or so and I have to admit that due to the time period it's been kind of a chore. Now I know it's important to have some historical perspective and consider the writing at the time along with what audiences comics were aimed towards at the said time. Along with society's views on what was and wasn't appropriate in comic book narratives at the time. I still find some entertainment in stories from the early 60's, but it definitely is difficult to get through sometimes. It is interesting to have some historical perspective, regarding comic books, and to know where the medium has been or come from, but life's too short for reading comics you don't enjoy. I used to feel almost obliged to wade through certain old comics -- even if I didn't like them -- in some silly attempt to become acquainted with the "important classics". These days, if a vintage series doesn't do it for me, I ditch it pretty quick. In answer to the main question, the 1950s sci-fi, horror or detective stories ( Weird Science, Rip Kirby, Tales from the Crypt, Dan Dare etc) are about the earliest I can go back and still enjoy what I'm reading. I really can't handle Golden Age comics at all; they're just too crudely drawn and written for my tastes. I do like the Dick Tracy newspaper strips from the 30s and 40s though, but that's an exception. I also enjoy the Tintin books from the 30s and 40s, but they're a slightly different thing. The American Golden Age comics that I've read have always bored me rigid as a rule. I love Silver and Bronze Age comics though...particularly Marvel's Silver Age stuff. It is hideously dated in some instances, and you have to make allowances for that, but in no way does that detract from my enjoyment of those comic books. To be honest, not all Silver Age Marvel books are created equal: the early X-Men comics are pretty terrible IMHO (interesting concept and all, but lousy comics), while Amazing Spider-Man is the very best of '60s Marvel, if you ask me. The early issues of The Avengers are quite basic and my enjoyment of the series definitely picks up once the series gets going, say around issue #30 -#40 or thereabouts. Personaly, I've always found Thor as dull as dishwater, but the general consensus is that the '60s Thor stuff is actually really good. Try the Silver Age Nick Fury stuff (especially the Jim Steranko stuff) and the Steve Ditko era Dr. Strange too...they're both excellent comic books. Who knows though, maybe old '60s comics just aren't for you.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 19, 2014 7:32:37 GMT -5
How old was the first Tintin? The first Tintin strip, Tintin in the Land of the Soviets, was published in 1929. But I don't really count the early Tintins as Golden Age comics. That term refers to U.S. comics (and maybe UK comics) to me. The Bande Dessinée is something quite different.
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Post by Dr. Poison on Dec 19, 2014 7:56:05 GMT -5
I'm comfortable going all the way back to the Golden Age.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 8:00:43 GMT -5
I started reading Fantastic Four, Wolverine, All-Star Squadron, Justice Society, Justice League, Spider-Man, and Detective (Batman) Comics right around 1965. I've pretty much read these books until I graduated out of High School in the late 70's and stopped reading them until I got a steady job around 1985. By 1985 - I dropped a lot of books but stick with X-Men, Wolverine, Justice League, and couple other minor books off and on until now. I dropped Marvel right around 2000's with some changes that I did not like but stayed with DC Comics off and on staying with Batman 66, Arrow, and couple other winners like Superman Wonder Woman and Sensation Comics.
I do love the Golden Age as well ...
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 19, 2014 8:30:50 GMT -5
As a comics historian, I've read comic books from every decade since Max Gaines invented the modern floppy in the early 1930s. I can read any of them and enjoy them but my preference is for material published between 1955 and 1986. And I have to say I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum from my friend Icctrombone: I want a comic it takes me half an hour to read. Modern comics, as a rule, are way too quick a read to satisfy me.
Cei-U! Wants some meat in that sammich!
* Not true, as it turns out. It was Gaines, however, who first proposed selling comic books on newsstands instead of continuing to market them as prmotional giveaways.
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Post by Earth 2 Flash on Dec 19, 2014 8:45:07 GMT -5
I a comfortable with the Golden Age, but it is always a matter of personal choice. There are comics from every age that are a chore for me to read.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 19, 2014 8:53:15 GMT -5
The 60's are mostly the furthest back I've go. Silver Surfer (though I read them in the Fantasy Masterpiece reprints and then the actual last four issues) was the oldest at the time in the 90's (only a few years into reading comics) that I had read. Being familiar with the character from the then ongoing series, I enjoyed the difference in them, but I haven't gone back and read them often. Since then nothing I've ventured out to read has taken me further back than the 60's. I don't know if that is intentional, or it's just that nothing older than that interests me.
Now with all the available material in TPB, I have bought and/or read from the library a lot of Essentials and Showcase volumes of titles I previously had never read, or only a few issues of. I came away really liking House of Mystery, though the later stuff than the earlier. I enjoyed all the House of Secrets volumes, but never was able to finish the first Challengers of the Unknown book. It did, for me. become a chore, and I found myself really just saying, hey this is Kirby stuff you need to get acquainted with the man, but never really enjoying it, so I quit and haven't opened it up again. Early Avengers, FF, Thor and Spidey are that way for me too. All these titles hit the ground running for me sometimes in the 60's and really in the 70's.
One other example I can think of is a book of horror comics along with some history about them. It's in a book (novel) format and gives examples of horror comics throughout history. Sorry I cannot remember the title. And I read the whole book, the history and the reprinted comic stories themselves (not always the whole comic, just usually one story within an anthology comic) and found the early 40's (maybe went back to the 30's) and 50's stuff just unreadable. As someone mentioned I think being a collector to start has spoiled me to spectacular art, and it's hard to appreciate something that isn't what things are now. Kind of like my kids with NES as oppose to the Xbox 360 or PS3.
So as Confessor says, I finally decided that if I don't enjoy it, why bother with it, no matter what cultural influence it is suppose to have. Just read what you like. I do however like reading ABOUT older comics, like in book about the history of. It's the actual material that I have yet to find interest in something that old.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 19, 2014 9:06:15 GMT -5
The furthest back I've currently read is X-Men #1 (original series, not the 90's book) and while I struggle at times with the style and pacing of Silver Age books, I'm certainly comfortable reading them. They're just different from the type of comics that I started reading when I got into the hobby, but they have their charm, and as a former history major, I have an affection for the "history" of those characters and their genesis.
Would I read older books? Probably, just to give it a try. The Golden Age Captain America Masterworks can be picked up pretty cheaply, so I may spend some of the money I will likely get for Christmas on one to give it a shot.
One more thought on this subject is that comic books are just like any other media type in terms of age. I certainly enjoy current films like the Marvel movies (not just these, but as an example), but at the same time, I am a big Hitchcock fan and I will watch classic movies on TCM with my wife (as well as her collection of Gene Kelly musicals). I like the Harry Potter series, but I also own the entire works of Shakespeare and the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Quality productions will always have an audience regardless of age, and while not all may be to a person's taste, they can probably find something that they like.
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Post by badwolf on Dec 19, 2014 9:57:08 GMT -5
I can go back to the 60s with Marvel. I think Spider-Man and Fantastic Four are the best of the early period. Avengers is really not very good (apart from the first issue), but I did get through the first omnibus.
For DC, bronze age is the earliest I like.
I've tried reading some golden age books and I can't get into them at all.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Dec 19, 2014 9:59:51 GMT -5
Silver age to present is my preferred reading. I can read Golden Age, but it definitely requires an adjustment. I like the energy of the Golden Age, but the art and writing aren't really my cup of tea.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 19, 2014 11:39:26 GMT -5
I tend to prefer books from the silver age on up to the present but I love atom age horror and Sci-fi comcs, and I really like the golden age adventures of Batman, Superman, the Phantom, Mandrake the Magician and Flash Gordon and the oldest comic I've read and enjoyed would be the Nemo strips.
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