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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 23, 2014 21:44:19 GMT -5
Frank Quietly is the 2nd best comic book artist of all time? That is just crazy to me. Really not a fan of his work. I don't think I would put him in the top 50. Me either.... I actively dislike him, actually. I think everyone he draws has anorexia. It seems (as these lists usually are) pretty weighted to the current.... JH Williams #8? Quietly? Fiona Avery on the list at all? It's mostly 'Marvel and DC artists since 1980', with a couple others thrown in. Carl Burgos, Bill Everett, and of the Silver Age DC guys, Don Rosa, all missing in favor of Avery, MacFarlane, etc.? Silly, but predictable. At least Kirby is #1, not Jim Lee  |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 23, 2014 22:18:12 GMT -5
Frank Quietly is the 2nd best comic book artist of all time? That is just crazy to me. Really not a fan of his work. I don't think I would put him in the top 50. Me either.... I actively dislike him, actually. I think everyone he draws has anorexia. It seems (as these lists usually are) pretty weighted to the current.... JH Williams #8? Quietly? Fiona Avery on the list at all? It's mostly 'Marvel and DC artists since 1980', with a couple others thrown in. Carl Burgos, Bill Everett, and of the Silver Age DC guys, Don Rosa, all missing in favor of Avery, MacFarlane, etc.? Silly, but predictable. At least Kirby is #1, not Jim Lee I've seen his work decried as "too doughie" or "too round" but I've never heard his figures described as anorexic before. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 23, 2014 22:24:22 GMT -5
Sometimes the faces are a bit round, too.. the inconsistency is part of the problem.... I remember a couple in All-Star Superman and X-Men for sure that made me look twice and go 'what the heck!'.. Could be just a few bad panels have colored my impression, though, since I've really not read much of him (since I don't like what I have read) For Example:  |
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Post by badwolf on Dec 23, 2014 22:34:22 GMT -5
Based on Promethea I would definitely put J.H. Williams III up there.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 23, 2014 22:42:00 GMT -5
Sometimes the faces are a bit round, too.. the inconsistency is part of the problem.... I remember a couple in All-Star Superman and X-Men for sure that made me look twice and go 'what the heck!'.. Could be just a few bad panels have colored my impression, though, since I've really not read much of him (since I don't like what I have read) For Example: I don't see that as anorexic though, Superman looks pretty normal and healthy there. The musculature of his Superman has actually always reminded me of Charles Atlas:  Whom I've never heard called anorexic |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 23, 2014 22:49:23 GMT -5
It's mostly the face.. it's too thin, with the extra lines, and the eyes seem sunken to me. Maybe it's the inking, or it's just me  |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 23, 2014 22:55:22 GMT -5
I suppose it could be seen that way, but to me the face always reminded me of that other famous body builder:  The high cheek bones, the deep set eyes and the highly defined jaw muscles both look pretty similar to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 0:16:49 GMT -5
Yeah, not a huge fan. I'd say my top 50 would be staggeringly different, and the #1 for this list wouldn't make my top 50 at all, but it's not all that unexpected for him to come in first place.
But for the most part I thought the artists were good. Good in the safe and comfortable bronze/copper age mainstream house style that I don't hate but have trouble distinguishing one artist from the next with. So there's that.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Dec 24, 2014 0:23:09 GMT -5
Frank's drawing just looks like chicken scratch to me. I don't get the appeal. Frank Quitely:  chicken scratch(literally):  I think the difference is clear. Haha? Not sure if serious. You do know that the term "chicken scratch" is figurative, not literal right? Even so...that looks more like chicken scribble if anything. The point is in my view Frank's line work just doesn't have the confidence with the lines he throws down like a Neal Adams. And sometimes they seem randomly placed without purpose. This image of Robin's face is kind of what I'm talking about.  But whatever. His style is his style. I just don't think he warrants being the 2nd best comic book artist of all time. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 24, 2014 0:57:04 GMT -5
Based on Promethea I would definitely put J.H. Williams III up there. I think he is flat-out the best overall page designer to work in mainstream comics ever.... And I think it's a minor crime that George Perez, who has similar strengths but way more limitations, is higher than he is. I'd have no problem calling him one of the Top Ten Marvel/DC artists ever. (Which is what this countdown basically is.) |
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Dec 24, 2014 1:18:37 GMT -5
It seems (as these lists usually are) pretty weighted to the current.... JH Williams #8? Quietly? Fiona Avery on the list at all? It's mostly 'Marvel and DC artists since 1980', with a couple others thrown in. Carl Burgos, Bill Everett, and of the Silver Age DC guys, Don Rosa, all missing in favor of Avery, MacFarlane, etc.? Silly, but predictable. At least Kirby is #1, not Jim Lee Why would it be any other way in a fan-voted ranking? Most people on CBR are in their 20s and 30s and read mostly Marvel and DC. Joe Kubert may be a legend but he was lucky to rank 40th considering how little overlap there is between his work and the voting demographic. Haha? Not sure if serious. You do know that the term "chicken scratch" is figurative, not literal right? Even so...that looks more like chicken scribble if anything. Chicken scratch is actually a term used to described fuzzy lines. An amateur mistake is to draw a line in short, overlapping, hesitant segments rather than a single confident stroke. Quitely doesn't chicken scratch but he does have a very messy, scribbly look. I think if Quitely was inked by someone like Tom Palmer the results would be spectacular, but as it is he has a very unique look that has its good and bad sides (overworking the faces of children and women, for example).
Regarding the "anorexic" look of Superman, thats simple realism. |
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Post by badwolf on Dec 24, 2014 10:19:07 GMT -5
The point is in my view Frank's line work just doesn't have the confidence with the lines he throws down like a Neal Adams. And sometimes they seem randomly placed without purpose. Wow, I could not disagree more. To me his linework is precise and clear, without being overly-embellished like Perez for example. What I love about Quitely's art is that there is never any confusion or doubt about what the action is, what you're supposed to be focusing on, what you're looking at. Yet his drawing is not simple. It's exactly how comic art should be. (His faces are another discussion; I'm talking about his overall line and composition.) |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 24, 2014 10:53:37 GMT -5
The point is in my view Frank's line work just doesn't have the confidence with the lines he throws down like a Neal Adams. And sometimes they seem randomly placed without purpose. Wow, I could not disagree more. To me his linework is precise and clear, without being overly-embellished like Perez for example. What I love about Quitely's art is that there is never any confusion or doubt about what the action is, what you're supposed to be focusing on, what you're looking at. Yet his drawing is not simple. It's exactly how comic art should be. (His faces are another discussion; I'm talking about his overall line and composition.) I haven't seen a lot of his art, but what I have I'd only make that complaint as well. Much like Jack Kirby, his human faces are distorted and unappealing or ugly. But as far as the competence of the rest of his work, it is good. I particularly like that whole Batman and Robin full pose posted above except for Robin's face despite it being somewhat covered by a mask. His Beast from New X-Men is one of my favorites. Batman: The Scottish Connection, I remember reading, thinking, then, I didn't care for his art and wondered if I'd ever see it again. Since then I've only read New X-Men and We3. He's not an artists that I would seek out his work to see in a comic, but I wouldn't pass a book whose story I would be interested in just because he's doing the art. |
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Post by badwolf on Dec 24, 2014 11:22:34 GMT -5
[Quitely's] Beast from New X-Men is one of my favorites. He was the only one who was able to draw him correctly! |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 24, 2014 11:36:35 GMT -5
[Quitely's] Beast from New X-Men is one of my favorites. He was the only one who was able to draw him correctly! I will agree with the more cat like evolution of Beast yes. Blue fur Beast I have a few favorites. |
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