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Post by String on May 4, 2019 11:02:57 GMT -5
While there's been a dearth of new comic material related to the sequel trilogy and it's characters, I do find it surprising that Marvel has adapted all the new movies (including the solo films) especially in this new age of instant streaming and download. Having grown up with such adaptations for the OT, this recent move makes glad to some extent.
I think part of the problem with the new characters is that, frankly, they don't feel 'new' to me. They seem based on the stereotypes of the OT characters. Poe is the new Han/Luke, Finn is the adventurer aspect of Luke while Rey is the Force novice aspect of Luke. Pitting them in scenarios and situations that are highly reminiscent of the OT doesn't help matters much either. It seems repetitive and familiar by now so the need to become invested in these characters and their struggles isn't as strong as it was with the OT.
As for the current Marvel output, the SW title itself was okay for me. I don't think Cassaday's style was a right fit for this story. When Immonen came aboard soon afterwards, I really enjoyed his efforts, he gave a more cinematic feel to the stories. I didn't have a problem with Aaron per se, taking on a project like Star Wars can be daunting and I was willing to give him time to settle into the mythos. Vader's title started off stronger and I even liked Aphra and her droids during their initial appearances. The limited series, on the other hand, were far better. The first Han Solo, Leia, and Lando minis were great.
Oh, thanks for the recommendation of Dark Times. It's on Comixology Unlimited now so I'll borrow it and check it out.
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Post by Confessor on May 4, 2019 12:05:59 GMT -5
While there's been a dearth of new comic material related to the sequel trilogy and it's characters, I do find it surprising that Marvel has adapted all the new movies (including the solo films) especially in this new age of instant streaming and download. Having grown up with such adaptations for the OT, this recent move makes glad to some extent. I only picked up the Rogue One comic adaptation (because that's the only new SW film that I actually genuinely enjoyed), but that isn't really an adaptation in quite the same way that Marvel used to do comic adaptations. I mean, it really functions as a supplement to the movie. There's no doubt from the way it's written that the writer definitely assumes that the reader has seen the film...either in the cinema, on DVD, or on a streaming platform. So, a lot of the scenes that are in the movie are quickly skimmed over or just paid lip-service to. Instead, the adaptation dwells on all-new scenes that weren't in the film or fleshes out some of the existing scenes in greater detail. The down side of that is that it renders a lot of adaptation quite confusing, especially if you hadn't seen the film first, I would think. So, the Rogue One Marvel adaptation is a very different beast from the old SW adaptations, and I assume that Marvel's adaptations of The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi are just the same. |
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Post by tarkintino on May 4, 2019 18:13:18 GMT -5
Very, very nice tribute there, tarkintino . Just like your Carrie Fisher one was. Thank you, Confessor. |
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Post by tarkintino on May 4, 2019 18:25:36 GMT -5
While there's been a dearth of new comic material related to the sequel trilogy and it's characters, I do find it surprising that Marvel has adapted all the new movies (including the solo films) especially in this new age of instant streaming and download. Having grown up with such adaptations for the OT, this recent move makes glad to some extent. I only picked up the Rogue One comic adaptation (because that's the only new SW film that I actually genuinely enjoyed), but that isn't really an adaptation in quite the same way that Marvel used to do comic adaptations. I mean, it really functions as a supplement to the movie. There's no doubt from the way it's written that the writer definitely assumes that the reader has seen the film...either in the cinema, on DVD, or on a streaming platform. So, a lot of the scenes that are in the movie are quickly skimmed over or just paid lip-service to. Instead, the adaptation dwells on all-new scenes that weren't in the film or fleshes out some of the existing scenes in greater detail. The down side of that is that it renders a lot of adaptation quite confusing, especially if you hadn't seen the film first, I would think. So, the Rogue One Marvel adaptation is a very different beast from the old SW adaptations, and I assume that Marvel's adaptations of The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi are just the same. Hmm...in the Rogue One adaptation, how is Leia handed? In the film, she did not mention she was looking for Kenobi, but is there any mention of him in the comic? Then, there's then end, and Jyn and Andor are waiting for the Death Star blast...any greater insight into their last feelings--beliefs? |
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Post by Confessor on May 4, 2019 18:33:13 GMT -5
I only picked up the Rogue One comic adaptation (because that's the only new SW film that I actually genuinely enjoyed), but that isn't really an adaptation in quite the same way that Marvel used to do comic adaptations. I mean, it really functions as a supplement to the movie. There's no doubt from the way it's written that the writer definitely assumes that the reader has seen the film...either in the cinema, on DVD, or on a streaming platform. So, a lot of the scenes that are in the movie are quickly skimmed over or just paid lip-service to. Instead, the adaptation dwells on all-new scenes that weren't in the film or fleshes out some of the existing scenes in greater detail. The down side of that is that it renders a lot of adaptation quite confusing, especially if you hadn't seen the film first, I would think. So, the Rogue One Marvel adaptation is a very different beast from the old SW adaptations, and I assume that Marvel's adaptations of The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi are just the same. Hmm...in the Rogue One adaptation, how is Leia handed? In the film, she did not mention she was looking for Kenobi, but is there any mention of him in the comic? Then, there's then end, and Jyn and Andor are waiting for the Death Star blast...any greater insight into their last feelings--beliefs? Do you know what? I don't even remember, which speaks volumes about how much of an impression it made on me. I was quite disappointed with it overall because I loved the film and was hoping for a slightly nostalgic old school-style Marvel adaptation, and that's not what it is at all. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 4, 2019 19:18:29 GMT -5
On the topic of the use, or lack there of, of the new characters in comics I think that has more to do with wanting the comics to be on the same level of canon as the films and as the trilogy hasn't finished yet that could be problematic on what can be revealed and so forth. I'm betting once the last movie is released we'll see more adventures of Rey, Finn and Poe whether you want them or not.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 4, 2019 21:36:52 GMT -5
You might be right about that, but that begs the questions.. what's next? These characters will have had 3 movies to capture people's hearts unless the new movie defies expectation and knocks it out of the park. What's next.. a reboot? Will they continue to attempt to move forward? Stick to living in the past and working around the original time line and movies? It'll be interesting to see how things evolve.
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Post by Confessor on May 5, 2019 3:42:08 GMT -5
I'm not convinced that it's a case of Rey, Finn and Poe not being in the comics because Lucasfilm don't want to reveal too much about them. I guess that's possible, but personally I think it's far more likely that the comics, just like most other Star Wars merchandising these days, makes most money for Disney by relying on the continuing popularity of the legacy characters of Luke, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, Darth Vader, R2-D2 and C-3PO et al. Those are the characters that the majority of comic book buyers want to read about. Just like toy collectors haven't been buying the sequel trilogy action figures; it's the legacy character action figures that continue to sell the most in toy shops.
Same goes for the films themselves, to an extent. I mean, look at what the majority of people where most excited about in the latest SW trailer: Lando! Not what's gonna happen to Rey, not whether Finn and Rose will get it on, not Poe's daring-do, but the reappearance of the nearly 40 year old legacy character of Lando.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Rey, Finn and Poe just aren't interesting enough characters. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Star Wars nut and I can honestly say that, as the sequel trilogy comes to a close, I couldn't give a rat's ass about what is going to happen and, chances are, I won't even bother going to see the film. I'm just not emotionally invested in the characters, and I also think the story is sub-standard. I just don't care anymore.
My feeling, based purely on my own subjective experience and anecdotal evidence, is that an awful lot of the general public aren't terribly invested in the new characters either. I mean, the new characters haven't penetrated mainstream public consciousness at all. At least, not outside of Star Wars fandom. Compare that to the original 1977 movie, where the names Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, Han Solo, Chewbacca and the phrase "May the Force Be with You" had entered the public consciousness within a year of that movie's release. Even my old Grandma knew the names of those characters in the late 70s...they became so iconic, so quickly.
Personally, I believe that it's general interest in the Star Wars brand, and the "star turns" of Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and now Billy Dee Williams that have proped this sequel trilogy up and made Joe Public want to see them.
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 5, 2019 10:49:26 GMT -5
I'm not convinced that it's a case of Rey, Finn and Poe not being in the comics because Lucasfilm don't want to reveal too much about them. I guess that's possible, but personally I think it's far more likely that the comics, just like most other Star Wars merchandising these days, makes most money for Disney by relying on the continuing popularity of the legacy characters of Luke, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, Darth Vader, R2-D2 and C-3PO et al. Those are the characters that the majority of comic book buyers want to read about. Just like toy collectors haven't been buying the sequel trilogy action figures; it's the legacy character action figures that continue to sell the most in toy shops. Same goes for the films themselves, to an extent. I mean, look at what the majority of people where most excited about in the latest SW trailer: Lando! Not what's gonna happen to Rey, not whether Finn and Rose will get it on, not Poe's daring-do, but the reappearance of the nearly 40 year old legacy character of Lando. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Rey, Finn and Poe just aren't interesting enough characters. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Star Wars nut and I can honestly say that, as the sequel trilogy comes to a close, I couldn't give a rat's ass about what is going to happen and, chances are, I won't even bother going to see the film. I'm just not emotionally invested in the characters, and I also think the story is sub-standard. I just don't care anymore. My feeling, based purely on my own subjective experience and anecdotal evidence, is that an awful lot of the general public aren't terribly invested in the new characters either. I mean, the new characters haven't penetrated mainstream public consciousness at all. At least, not outside of Star Wars fandom. Compare that to the original 1977 movie, where the names Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, Han Solo, Chewbacca and the phrase "May the Force Be with You" had entered the public consciousness within a year of that movie's release. Even my old Grandma knew the names of those characters in the late 70s...they became so iconic, so quickly. Personally, I believe that it's general interest in the Star Wars brand, and the "star turns" of Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and now Billy Dee Williams that have proped this sequel trilogy up and made Joe Public want to see them. You'll never hear me say this new batch of characters is my favorite group either, I think they're a bunch of card board cut outs and I don't think they have or ever will reach the levels of pop culture awareness that the OT characters had and continue to have...but I'm not sure the comparison is super useful as the OT truly was a cultural phenomenon so most things are going to fall short of that kind of recognition, but that doesn't mean they aren't popular in their own right. It's by no means a perfect barometer, but aside from Elsa and Anna from Frozen and something called a PJAnimal hero, Rey was one of the most popular young girls Halloween costumes here in the States last year...and she has been since the first film was released. And while behind Darth Vader, Storm Trooper and Han Solo, Kylo was a very popular choice among boys so it's not as if these characters aren't popular...they just resonate with a different age group than us but that's steadily been the case with Star Wars. As kids we were pretending to be Luke and Han on the playground, but as a summer camp councilor half a decade back the names I heard from the kids on the playground were Anakin, Obi-Wan and Commander Cody...because that was their Star Wars and with it now under the reigns of Disney I imagine they'll churn out the same every generation hence forth. Every once in a while lightening will strike and we'll get something that appeals more to our sensibilities like Rogue One or (for me anyway) Solo...but for the rest I feel like we'll continue to feel they are imperfect to us. |
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Post by tarkintino on May 5, 2019 15:17:04 GMT -5
Hmm...in the Rogue One adaptation, how is Leia handed? In the film, she did not mention she was looking for Kenobi, but is there any mention of him in the comic? Then, there's then end, and Jyn and Andor are waiting for the Death Star blast...any greater insight into their last feelings--beliefs? Do you know what? I don't even remember, which speaks volumes about how much of an impression it made on me. I was quite disappointed with it overall because I loved the film and was hoping for a slightly nostalgic old school-style Marvel adaptation, and that's not what it is at all. Ah, ok. That's enough for me to avoid picking it up. Since Rogue One had Leia's cameo, I thought it would have been natural for an adaptation to expand things by having her speak with Bail about how bad things are that they are desperate to contact Obi-Wan (and not Yoda, for some reason). |
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Post by Duragizer on May 5, 2019 15:35:56 GMT -5
Are comic adaptations even anything other than shot-by-shot recreations of the movies these days?
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Post by Confessor on May 5, 2019 17:08:55 GMT -5
Are comic adaptations even anything other than shot-by-shot recreations of the movies these days? I think I answered that in my above post. Well, at least as far as the SW adaptations go. I couldn't say for sure about other comic versions of movies, but I wouldn't be surprised if they also functioned as supplemental material for the movie itself, rather than a strict comic retelling. |
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Post by aquagoat on May 21, 2019 14:08:11 GMT -5
Are comic adaptations even anything other than shot-by-shot recreations of the movies these days? You should see the Darth Vader comics. They are just blatantly traced screenshots from the movies. |
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Post by Duragizer on May 21, 2019 20:14:44 GMT -5
Are comic adaptations even anything other than shot-by-shot recreations of the movies these days? You should see the Darth Vader comics. They are just blatantly traced screenshots from the movies. There's a special place in Purgatory for the Greg Lands of the world. |
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Post by aquagoat on May 24, 2019 14:25:48 GMT -5
Actual image from Star Wars #31...  |
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