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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 31, 2021 8:25:33 GMT -5
This was a good issue. I think Valence is a very good character, and I like the "I'd ask what's up, but it feels like I am" line from Jax, which I assume is a reference to Bug Bunny's "What's up, doc" catchphrase. I also liked that Archie threw in Fud and Dafi. Fun stuff. The art was pretty good, too. Valance was the best non-film villain and character (overall) ever created for Marvel's SW title. Never again would the series see as nuanced and tragic figure that was an original creation not trying to mirror anything from the then-single movie. Regarding the art, Simonson was a bit rough at this stage, much like his work on Battlestar Galactica. Perhaps it was Wiacek's inks, but Simonson's better days on the title were in the future. agree 100% Valance is a great character... I love they've brought him back, but the new canon doesn't seem to quite get the nuance. As far as Han's reward money goes... there are SO many stories now in the various canons about him losing it. In my head, ONE of them might be true... or it might be he never accepted the money in the first place, and he doesn't want to admit it to keep his 'street cred' as a smuggler. The various adventures we see are the stories he tells at the pub to other smugglers asking why he never paid Jabba.
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 31, 2021 10:23:54 GMT -5
Trimpe was not the right artist for this title, even as a short-timer; he was so right for the Hulk, but out of that bruiser-n-army environment, his work left something to be desired, especially if you've ever seen his Captain America, Thor or Iron Man. I'm reading Trimp's Iron Man right now (#85, with Marie Severin inks) and it's really quite good!
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Post by Confessor on Mar 31, 2021 22:45:35 GMT -5
I thought the writing here was quite good. Some good dialogue between Han and Leia, I like that they showed some Jedi meditation, and thought that Commander Strom wa a pretty good, unscrupulously evil, character. I think this story was face paced, like the movie, and left us with a very good cliffhanger. Senator Greyshade has some potential as a character, too. Yeah, Archie Goodwin is really finding his feet now. That said, I've always found Greyshade to be a bit of a wishy-washy villain overall, but his relationship with Master-Com, the Wheel's central computer, is pretty interesting and becomes more so as the story arc progresses. As far as the art, well, you and I are in agreement there. I think this is one major reason I didn't regularly collect Star Wars back in the day, and only picked up an occasionally issue. I hear ya! I hope it isn't spoiling your enjoyment of these early issues too much, because there's still a good couple of years-worth of Infantino-drawn issues ahead of you. For me, the series' "purple patch", in terms of writing and drawing, are the issues from the ESB adaptation through to just after the events of ROTJ. I still enjoy these earlier issues a lot, mind you, but yeah...the best is definitely yet to come IMHO. I hope you can hang on. As far as Tagge, I always pronounced it German style, with a hard "g" and the "uh" pronounciation of the "e" at the end, like on Porsche. So, it would be Tag-uh, or something like that. To me, the doulbe g implies a hard g rather than a soft g, and the e at the end is there to be pronounced rather than to change the pronounciation of the a. So, I also pronounce a short a, like in fast, not a long a, like in game. In all liklihood you're pronunciation is probably correct. I've always pronounced it like the word "rage", but with a "t" -- but then, I was only 5 or 6-years-old when I first encountered it, so I can be forgiven for that error. I've been saying it as "tage" for the past 40 odd years, even though it's wrong, so I'm unlikely to change now.
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Post by lindario on Apr 1, 2021 18:53:24 GMT -5
Hmm, I come back to check the forum for first time in years and what do I see, the original Marvel's Star Wars run has had a one-off continuation! Years back in anticipation for the then upcoming Force Awakens film I was constructing a personal chronological listing of Star Wars comics to read as a marathon. For various reasons I've yet to actually read through that marathon (am planning it this summer though) but retroactively am glad for that, not least because there's now this "final" story to supplement the events told in the original Marvel run. Now that I'm here again I could also contemplate on what a shame it was for the series to end when and the way it did. While the Tof were aestethically a little out there, I loved the idea the post-Return of the Jedi stories suggested where once the Empire as a centralized force was weakened suddenly smaller local factions come out to fill the power vaccuum and turn themselves into regionally significant powers. Good examples of this from real history would be the post-1916 warlord era of China, the Russian civil war, and the contemporary, very unfortunate, situations in countries like Syria, Somalia and Iraq. Expanded Universe material created from the 90's forward with material like Zahn's Thrawn trilogy, the Dark Empire and Crimson Empire comic trilogies as well as the (magnificent) Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight video game did feature references to a civil war occurring withing the Imperial structures it was always left a little vague and the stakes in post-Return of the Jedi stories was always everyone vs. the Imperials whenever local insurrectionists were featured. The appearance of the Nagai and Tof as powers restrained by Imperial presence released in the wake of its demise (and indeed the comics show the weakened Imperials forced to co-operate with the Nagai out of geopolitical necessity) are something completely different however, ethnic local groups hungry for power and driven by mutual antagonism, not really concerned with noble ideological consideration like the Rebels but as forces of violence not totally unlike the Empire which used to keep them in cheque. Had the writers had the time and courage, this premise could've provided some highly dynamic stories of settling the galaxy back into order when the order that held it together is suddenly vanishing. Maybe I'm thinking too ambitiously here and possible political nuances could have potentially brought the series too far from what contemporaries would have been comfortable to call akin to the spirit of Star Wars. Regardless I feel that there was still a lot of story to tell that we'll never get to see. Speaking of somber subject matter, it's for personal reasons funny to me that they used Infantino's art in one of #108's alternate covers. Discussing with my dad (who was 10 at the time when the first film came out) why he never saw any of the films in theatre despite being a moderate Star Wars fan as long as I remember, back in the day as a kid he used to be a bit of a comic book purist, with artists like Hergé (the Adventures of Tintin), Carl Barks (Donald Duck comics), Uderzo (Asterix) and especially Franguin (Spirou and Fantasio, Gaston Lagaffe) being his favourites. Hence after browsing through some Marvel comics that came out at the time he especially found Chaykin's and Infantino's artwork so cringy looking that it scared him off from the franchise until all of the films were out on VHS. Kinda humbling to think that I'm able to produce anecdotes about a comic series that started almost 50 years ago, decades before my birth, and not be completely out of the water when it's referenced today. There's something comforting about that too, that these kinds of old cultural products still matter and resonate, especially in our modern world which is so obsessed with constantly renovating thrills and spectacle with little room left for charm or genuine creativity.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 1, 2021 22:09:48 GMT -5
Hey, lindario! Good to see you back around these parts. Hmm, I come back to check the forum for first time in years and what do I see, the original Marvel's Star Wars run has had a one-off continuation! Years back in anticipation for the then upcoming Force Awakens film I was constructing a personal chronological listing of Star Wars comics to read as a marathon. For various reasons I've yet to actually read through that marathon (am planning it this summer though) but retroactively am glad for that, not least because there's now this "final" story to supplement the events told in the original Marvel run. Yes indeed, the original Marvel run had a one-off continuation issue back in 2019 with an issue #108. As you'll see from my review of it, it was actually pretty good and very enjoyable, with just a few small niggling continuity issues that irritated me. Now that I'm here again I could also contemplate on what a shame it was for the series to end when and the way it did. While the Tof were aestethically a little out there, I loved the idea the post-Return of the Jedi stories suggested where once the Empire as a centralized force was weakened suddenly smaller local factions come out to fill the power vaccuum and turn themselves into regionally significant powers. Good examples of this from real history would be the post-1916 warlord era of China, the Russian civil war, and the contemporary, very unfortunate, situations in countries like Syria, Somalia and Iraq. Expanded Universe material created from the 90's forward with material like Zahn's Thrawn trilogy, the Dark Empire and Crimson Empire comic trilogies as well as the (magnificent) Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight video game did feature references to a civil war occurring withing the Imperial structures it was always left a little vague and the stakes in post-Return of the Jedi stories was always everyone vs. the Imperials whenever local insurrectionists were featured. The appearance of the Nagai and Tof as powers restrained by Imperial presence released in the wake of its demise (and indeed the comics show the weakened Imperials forced to co-operate with the Nagai out of geopolitical necessity) are something completely different however, ethnic local groups hungry for power and driven by mutual antagonism, not really concerned with noble ideological consideration like the Rebels but as forces of violence not totally unlike the Empire which used to keep them in cheque. Had the writers had the time and courage, this premise could've provided some highly dynamic stories of settling the galaxy back into order when the order that held it together is suddenly vanishing. Maybe I'm thinking too ambitiously here and possible political nuances could have potentially brought the series too far from what contemporaries would have been comfortable to call akin to the spirit of Star Wars. Regardless I feel that there was still a lot of story to tell that we'll never get to see.I especially agree with the bolded part above. The series went out with a badly structured, overly wordy, and largely unsatisfying climax (no doubt due to the fact that, when writer Jo Duffy and artist Cynthia Martin began work on issue #107, they had no idea it was to be the last). Duffy has stated in interviews that she had lots of plans for the future of the series when it was cancelled. For example, she was planning to focus much more on Bey, Han Solo's half-Corellian/half-Nagai childhood friend, who would find himself torn between loyalties as the two cultures he hailed from clashed. This storyline was supposed to culminate with Bey and Dani the Zeltron -- who was still heartbroken about Kiro's supposed death -- attacking the Tof fleet in a kamikaze-style suicide attack so that their invasion could be halted. I've no doubt that the toxic love affair between Dani and Den, the sadistic Nagai torturer, would've also become even more twisted. Speaking of somber subject matter, it's for personal reasons funny to me that they used Infantino's art in one of #108's alternate covers. Discussing with my dad (who was 10 at the time when the first film came out) why he never saw any of the films in theatre despite being a moderate Star Wars fan as long as I remember, back in the day as a kid he used to be a bit of a comic book purist, with artists like Hergé (the Adventures of Tintin), Carl Barks (Donald Duck comics), Uderzo (Asterix) and especially Franguin (Spirou and Fantasio, Gaston Lagaffe) being his favourites. Hence after browsing through some Marvel comics that came out at the time he especially found Chaykin's and Infantino's artwork so cringy looking that it scared him off from the franchise until all of the films were out on VHS. Kinda humbling to think that I'm able to produce anecdotes about a comic series that started almost 50 years ago, decades before my birth, and not be completely out of the water when it's referenced today. There's something comforting about that too, that these kinds of old cultural products still matter and resonate, especially in our modern world which is so obsessed with constantly renovating thrills and spectacle with little room left for charm or genuine creativity. Yeah, Chaykin really dialled his work on the series in...by his own admission! And Infantino was just a really bad fit for Star Wars IMHO, as well as producing some rather harsh looking, overly-angular artwork. I mean, let's face facts: neither Infantino or Chaykin's art on Star Wars was in the same league as the high quality artwork that the likes of Hergé and Banks turned out in their prime. Then again, how many artists of any comic can hold a candle to the likes of Hergé and Banks?
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 2, 2021 9:47:24 GMT -5
Speaking of somber subject matter, it's for personal reasons funny to me that they used Infantino's art in one of #108's alternate covers. Discussing with my dad (who was 10 at the time when the first film came out) why he never saw any of the films in theatre despite being a moderate Star Wars fan as long as I remember, back in the day as a kid he used to be a bit of a comic book purist, with artists like Hergé (the Adventures of Tintin), Carl Barks (Donald Duck comics), Uderzo (Asterix) and especially Franguin (Spirou and Fantasio, Gaston Lagaffe) being his favourites. Hence after browsing through some Marvel comics that came out at the time he especially found Chaykin's and Infantino's artwork so cringy looking that it scared him off from the franchise until all of the films were out on VHS. Between the two (Chaykin and Infantino), Infantino--one of the medium's most significant legends--was well experienced in illustrating science fiction / sci-fi fantasy for DC's groundbreaking titles, Strange Adventures and Mystery in Space, so his working on Star Wars was one of the few logical, fact-based choices Marvel made while having the Star Wars property. He captured what Star Wars as originally presented--a science-fantasy, which require far more than an emphasis on the technical (i.e., the obsessive tracing of ship production photos seen in endless SW comics for decades), but to accentuate the alien environments / characters, similar to the 1977 original film.
So, despite the awful, sloppy adaptation of the first SW film, the run to follow saw some of the series' highest sales numbers. According to John Jackson Miller of the site Comichron: Comics' History By the Numbers:
1979 was well into the Infantino period, and if Miller is correct, it was likely Marvel's second best-seller. That speaks to two facts: one, readers clearly enjoyed what was published in that time, otherwise they had the free will to drop the title--but did not. Two, historically, movie and TV adaptations--no matter the publisher, creative team or how popular the subject--rarely lasted more than a couple of years; the majority of Marvel's movie and TV adaptions before and during the first few years of Star Wars popularity consistently under-performed or in one case--Logan's Run--was allegedly cancelled due to rising licensing costs triggered by the development of the short-lived TV series. But titles such as Adventures on the Planet of the Apes (1975-76 - a poorly colored, 11-issue reprint of the 1st two movies originally adapted for the POTA magazine), Man from Atlantis (7 issues in 1978), Star Trek (18 issues, 1980-81), and endless TV and movie adaptations failed to capture the interest of readers.
Again, for the fact SW during the Infantino period was so successful (instead of dropped by readers), spoke to its creative strengths which captured the film's sci/fantasy feel. It is my favorite period of the title, and arguably, its most original.
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 2, 2021 13:28:22 GMT -5
Star Wars #19Cover dated: January 1979 Issue title: The Ultimate Gamble!Script: Archie Goodwin Artwork: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Bob Wiacek (inks) Colours: Carl Gafford Letters: Irving Watanabe Cover art: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Bob Wiacek (inks) Overall rating: 5½ out of 10 Plot summary: On board the gambling station known as The Wheel, C-3PO and R2-D2 take an unconscious Luke Skywalker to the medical centre, while the Wheel's administrator, Senator Greyshade, has Princess Leia brought to his quarters. While talking with Greyshade, Leia tips the former senator off about the Empire's plan to take over the Wheel to help fund its war against the Rebel Alliance. This prompts Greyshade to broker a deal with Imperial Commander Strom to have Luke, Han Solo, Chewbacca and the two droids meet an untimely end, on condition that Leia be allowed to remain with him on the Wheel. Meanwhile, Chewbacca has been captured by the Wheel's security and forced to enter into a lethal gladiatorial contest known as The Big Game. Han Solo has also entered the Big Game, not realising that his Wookiee sidekick is a contestant as well. This seeming coincidence has actually been orchestrated behind the scenes by Greyshade and the Wheel's central computer, Master-Com. Comments: Issue #19 of Marvel's Star Wars is more or less on a par with issue #18, in terms of its storyline and action quota. However, one big improvement over last issue is that we have Bob Wiacek back on inks, instead of Gene Day. Straight off the bat, from the opening splash page, this issue just looks a lot nicer than the last one. While it's true that Wiacek tends to emphasise the angular tendencies of penciller Carmine Infantino (and to be honest, he's no better or worse at that than Day), his style just seems to gel much better with the artist's. Certainly, it's nice not to see the slightly over heavy line work and hatching that marred last issue. Plus, Wiacek is a bit more liberal with the Zip-a-Tone shading, which I like. As for Infantino himself, I love the front cover of this issue. Floating, disembodied heads of the type used here are never my favourite thing on a comic cover, but somehow they work in this context - especially in conjunction with the surrealistic red skull that forms the hub of the Wheel. The overall result is very striking. In terms of the interior artwork, in addition to the usual problems that I have with Infantino's art on this series, I'm finding it frustrating that he has yet to give us a decent depiction of Chewbacca anywhere in his run. It's kind of hard to pinpoint exactly what's wrong with his take on the Wookiee, but the face is definitely too hairless and the fur on Chewie's body just doesn't hang right. As I've said before, Infantino must have had access to reference photographs of the Wookiee, so there really is no excuse for this. But like I've also said, the inaccurate depiction of Chewbacca is a recurring problem with Marvel's Star Wars comic throughout its early years. Only Tom Palmer has really drawn the Wookiee right so far, in issues #8, #9 and #10. That said, the page where Infantino depicts Chewbacca sneaking around the Wheel, making his way to the Crimson Casino on the station's upper levels, is probably my favourite page of the whole issue. Just not necessarily because of the way that Infantino draws Chewbacca. The colouring of Carl Gafford is worthy of mention in this issue. I really liked his multi-coloured rendering of the interior of the Death Star back in the movie adaptation issues and here again we get a stylised interior to the Wheel, with vivid splashes of purple, blue, cerise and yellow. These kinds of Technicolor hues really shouldn't work in a futuristic space station, but just like in the film adaptation, they do. What's weird is that this colouring never once makes the reader think that this is actually how the station is decorated. It's rather strange that this colouring works as well as it does. Archie Goodwin's plot line continues to entertain, with his usual good scripting and excellent characterisation of the central cast. We learn more about Senator Greyshade's slightly creepy, obsessive interest in winning Princess Leia's heart and we also get our first glimpse of Master-Com's fascination with the Rebel droids' protective and devotional attitude towards Luke. Master-Com's interest in this aspect of R2 and 3PO's character will come to a head in the not-too-distant future. There's also a slightly humourous typo in this issue, when the Wheel security guards are telling Chewbacca that he must fight in the Big Game or be sent to the Spine Mines of Kessel, rather than the Spice Mines. There's another small typo when 3PO calls R2 a "thermo-capsuary dehousing assister", when it should be "thermo-capsulary", but it seems overly nit-picky to mention that...so I won't. This is another fairly fast-paced and entertaining episode of the Wheel saga, although it's still quite far from being of the highest quality that the series can and will eventually offer. I'm gonna rate this a ½ point higher than last issue for the improved inking, but really, there's little to choose between the two books in terms of entertainment. Continuity issues: None Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "You guys are destroying a work of engineering art...undoing years of special modifications!" – Han Solo complains to the Wheel security guards about their tampering with the Millennium Falcon. I agree that Chewie has been lookng pretty bad. I am really enjoying the plot, though. Lots going on. Our characters great broken up into four groups and each of them is in big trouble? By the way, is your favorite panel so because of the creature from the cantina scene being depecited there?
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 2, 2021 13:32:31 GMT -5
Star Wars #20Cover dated: February 1979 Issue title: DeathgameScript: Archie Goodwin Artwork: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Bob Wiacek (inks) Colours: George Roussos Letters: John Costanza Cover art: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Bob Wiacek (inks) Overall rating: 5½ out of 10 Plot summary: As part of a plot by Imperial Commander Strom and Senator Greyshade to defame the Rebel Alliance, an attack by a Rebel X-wing fighter on a pleasure yacht departing from the gambling station known as the Wheel is staged. Although the X-wing is destroyed by Imperial TIE fighters, the scene is watched by the Wheel's patrons, who are appalled by what they perceive as the ruthlessness of the Rebel Alliance. Greyshade has also conspired to have Han Solo and Chewbacca killed, while competing in separate gladiatorial events in The Big Game, but Solo unexpectedly thwarts the senator's plan by defeating his opponent. Meanwhile, the droids R2-D2 and C-3PO, who have been appropriated by the Wheel as a gambling stake for Han, are scheduled to have their memories wiped when the Wheel's central computer, Master-Com, intervenes and saves them from their fate. The three droids visit the medical centre to check up on Luke Skywalker, who lays helpless in a Force-induced trance, only to find that he has regained consciousness and escaped. Comments: The Wheel saga continues in this issue with perhaps a little less intrigue and excitement than previous instalments. Archie Goodwin's scripting is as good as ever though and I love how he's writing Princess Leia in this story arc: she's relaxed and diplomatic when she needs to be, like the former senator that she is, but also feisty and cunningly resourceful. In fact, I'd have to say that Leia is the character that Goodwin has the best grip on at the moment, in terms of writing her as she was written by George Lucas. It's a pity Goodwin didn't write Leia like this over in the Pizzazz magazine strip though. As usual, Carmine Infantino's art has me in two minds as to its merits. On the one hand, this issue has all the usual artistic traits that I dislike and have mentioned in earlier reviews – including the unwelcome return of Infantino's tendency to put characters in ungainly, awkward or even physically impossible poses every now and then – but on the other hand, the panel-to-panel reading flow and communicating of the character's emotions is as excellent as ever. Add to that the nostalgia that Infantino's artwork elicits in me and I have a serious love/hate thing going on with this art. However, I must make mention of the, frankly, terrible depiction of an X-wing fighter that Infantino gives us on the opening splash page. I've noted a number of times in these reviews that Infantino seems to have a very poor grasp of Star Wars ship design, but this X-wing fighter really takes the biscuit. It's inaccuracies include – but are not limited to – it having the wrong number of engines, engines in the wrong places, no droid socket, incorrectly shaped "S-foils", and no visible cockpit canopy. Here, take a look for yourself... Now, putting aside for a second the fact that Infantino and Marvel would've definitely had reference photographs from Lucasfilm to go on, by mid-to-late 1978, when this comic would've been drawn, mania for the first Star Wars movie was at its absolute zenith. Images of X-wing fighters were everywhere: on lunch boxes, on t-shirts, on posters, on gum cards, on pinball and video game machines, in press adverts etc. Given that fact, it boggles the mind how Infantino – the man charged with drawing the official Star Wars comic – could render such an inaccurate drawing of the craft. My only conclusion can be that Infantino had no interest at all in drawing accurate versions of the Star Wars ships, preferring instead to put his own spin on them. As the series progressed, the accuracy of Infantino's spacecraft design would slowly but surely improve, but even in his final few post- Empire Strikes Back issues, his depictions of Star Wars craft still left much to be desired. Something else I want to mention about this issue is that the Star-Words letters page includes a missive from former series scribe Roy Thomas. Thomas praises Infantino's art and Goodwin's handling of the characters, but most interestingly (at least, for me), Thomas makes it clear that he really enjoyed the return of Jaxxon, the green space-rabbit, in issue #16. Thomas calls him "a beloved creation of mine" and notes that Goodwin has developed Jaxxon "almost exactly the way I wanted to see him turn out." He goes on to say, "My only request is that, if there's ever to be a series of Jaxx stories you don't write yourself, I get a crack at it. I was really quite fond of the fellow…and I'm even fonder of what you've done with him." Now, just imagine that for a second: a late Bronze Age era Jaxxon spin-off mini-series written by Roy Thomas! Man, if only... If I've ever read this letter of Roy's before then I had completely forgotten it. So, in celebration of my discovery (or re-discovery) of Roy Thomas's once dreamed of Jaxxon mini-series, here's a gratuitous picture of some sexy Jaxxon cosplay... Overall, issue #20 of Marvel's Star Wars is another solid, but fairly average issue. Goodwin's plot continues to build towards its conclusion and there's some very good characterisation here, especially of Princess Leia. There's also some excellent sequential artwork from Infantino, but with all his usual annoying artistic idiosyncrasies as well. Continuity issues: None Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "Forgive me, partner...it must be difficult for a man of no principles attempting to win the affection of a woman with such high ones." – Commander Strom sarcastically comments on Senator Greyshade's attempts to woo Princess Leia. A Roy Thomas penned Jaxxon series? I think I'd actually buy that. Again, good writing, exciting story and yes, certainly no reason for Infantino to not know what an X-Wing looks like at this point. Heck, he could have borrowed my toy X-Wing for a reference!
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 2, 2021 15:51:27 GMT -5
I agree that Chewie has been lookng pretty bad. Chewbacca has rarely and consistently appeared as a mirror to the movie costume; Chaykin, Kane and the horrible work of Cynthia Martin all had Chewbacca appearing like he was related to Marvel's Sasquatch, and the Bigfoot mascot for Jack Link's Beef Jerky, more than a character from SW: Photo resources were always available (in the late 70s, some of my older friends were already collecting publicity photos from films--including Star Wars), and if--for argument's sake--they were not, or limited, by the time of Kane and certainly Martin's work, endless images of Chewbacca were plastered on merchandise spilling off of retail shelves, not to mention magazine covers constantly covering the film. So references were everywhere, but artists chose to do their own thing with Chewbacca---and other characters.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 3, 2021 1:06:18 GMT -5
I agree that Chewie has been lookng pretty bad. Yeah, Infantino's rendering of Chewbacca in these early issues is less than great. Other artist's on the series rendered the Wookiee in ways that ranged from excellent (Al Williamson, Walt Simonson, Ron Frenz etc) to acceptable (Howard Chaykin, Cynthia Martin etc) to poor (Gil Kane). Of the series' regular artists, however, Infantino is definitely bottom of the class when it comes to drawing Chewie. I think the two biggest problems with his depiction of Chewbacca are that he draws the Wookiee's face as being mostly hairless (maybe taking his cue from Planet of the Apes??), which is just an unforgivable mistake for the man charged with drawing the official Star Wars comic to make, and also that Chewie's hair just doesn't hang right. It's like he's been using too much conditioner or has had a Farrah Fawcett blow-dry. It won't be until issue #31 that Infantino finally gives us a serviceable Chewbacca. I am really enjoying the plot, though. Lots going on. Our characters great broken up into four groups and each of them is in big trouble? By the way, is your favorite panel so because of the creature from the cantina scene being depecited there? You know, I believe that you're the first person in this thread to ask me about the rationale behind my "favourite panel" in each issue. Since I read and re-read these comics umpteen times as a kid, I know the artwork in these issues very, very well. I mean, sometimes as a kid I wouldn't even re-read them because I already new the stories so well; I'd just leaf through a particular issue and look at the pictures. So, my "favourite panels" are sometimes the ones that I consider particularly well drawn or impressive, sometimes they're the ones that look most action-packed, and sometimes (as is the case in this particular instance) they are just the ones that I got a kick out of as a kid. In this case, yes, I think you're probably right -- it is the presence of the same alien species we saw in the Mos Eisley cantina, along with the exotic, crowded, neon-lit environs of the Wheel casino that I like. Star Wars #20A Roy Thomas penned Jaxxon series? I think I'd actually buy that. Well, of course! Like all sensible folk, I'm sure. Again, good writing, exciting story and yes, certainly no reason for Infantino to not know what an X-Wing looks like at this point. Heck, he could have borrowed my toy X-Wing for a reference! Exactly! There's really no excuse. Still, I must say that Infantino's storytelling and pacing in this issue is really strong. There's some really fine panel composition too. I also love his design for the big, six-armed alien that Han Solo first has to fight in the arena (he's pictured on the cover of this issue): this beast looks proper formidable, with his hulking size, facial tusks, and lethal dagger-thorns.
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 3, 2021 6:22:47 GMT -5
Again, good writing, exciting story and yes, certainly no reason for Infantino to not know what an X-Wing looks like at this point. Heck, he could have borrowed my toy X-Wing for a reference! The same problem will appear (constantly) in Williamson, Simonson and Martin-illustrated issues (which I will point out with art-to-photo references) of everything from ships, character hairstyles and the most iconic Star Wars object of all, the lightsaber during a period where Lucasfilm (by 1980-forward was a far more image/license conscious company than in 1977) was not short on providing as many photo references as needed, but....
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 3, 2021 8:29:00 GMT -5
I agree that Chewie has been lookng pretty bad. Chewbacca has rarely and consistently appeared as a mirror to the movie costume; Chaykin, Kane and the horrible work of Cynthia Martin all had Chewbacca appearing like he was related to Marvel's Sasquatch, and the Bigfoot mascot for Jack Link's Beef Jerky, more than a character from SW: Photo resources were always available (in the late 70s, some of my older friends were already collecting publicity photos from films--including Star Wars), and if--for argument's sake--they were not, or limited, by the time of Kane and certainly Martin's work, endless images of Chewbacca were plastered on merchandise spilling off of retail shelves, not to mention magazine covers constantly covering the film. So references were everywhere, but artists chose to do their own thing with Chewbacca---and other characters. Wow, Infantino's Chewie almost looks good compared with Cynthia Martin's Chewie!
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 3, 2021 8:33:02 GMT -5
Again, good writing, exciting story and yes, certainly no reason for Infantino to not know what an X-Wing looks like at this point. Heck, he could have borrowed my toy X-Wing for a reference! Exactly! There's really no excuse. Still, I must say that Infantino's storytelling and pacing in this issue is really strong. There's some really fine panel composition too. I also love his design for the big, six-armed alien that Han Solo first has to fight in the arena (he's pictured on the cover of this issue): this beast looks proper formidable, with his hulking size, facial tusks, and lethal dagger-thorns. I agree that Infantino is a good sequential storyteller. It's just such a shame that the drawings aren't better. Such good stories well, not quite ruined, but certainly not done well by.
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 3, 2021 8:42:47 GMT -5
Star Wars #21Cover dated: March 1979 Issue title: Shadow of a Dark Lord!Script: Archie Goodwin Artwork: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Gene Day (inks) Colours: George Roussos Letters: John Costanza Cover art: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Terry Austin (inks) Overall rating: 7 out of 10 Plot summary: After making her escape from Senator Greyshade's suite on the galactic gambling station known as The Wheel, Princess Leia locates C-3PO and R2-D2, before also finding Luke Skywalker, who has now recovered from the strange, trance-like state he was in. Luke reveals that his trance was caused by his mind touching another individual's; a person who is strong with the Force, but evil and twisted. Luke strongly suspects that this other Force-sensitive mind was none other than Darth Vader's. Greyshade, meanwhile, has secretly sent his security forces to recover the money that the Empire had stolen from the Wheel, behind the back of his new partner, Imperial Commander Strom. Concurrently, in the gladiatorial arena of The Big Game, Han Solo is preparing to fight in the main event when he realises that one of his opponents is Chewbacca, whom he must kill if he is to survive the contest. Meanwhile, on the planet Ultaar, Darth Vader stands among the bodies of a Rebel information retrieval team, who have been slaughtered by the bounty hunter Valance. Vader realises that he and Valance are both searching for the young farmboy who destroyed the Death Star. Deducing that the boy may be on the Wheel, Vader sets course for the gambling station, determined to find his quarry before Valance does. Comments: Issue #21 of Marvel's Star Wars sees The Wheel saga kick into high gear. Archie Goodwin's plot is really gripping and inventive, amply demonstrating what a good grasp of the Star Wars universe and the workings of the Force he has. As always, his characterisation of the central cast is very good and, like last issue, he writes Princess Leia particularly well here. There's a touching little scene in which the Wheel's central computer, Master-Com, speaks to Senator Greyshade about his fascination with the relationship that Luke Skywalker has with the droids R2-D2 and C-3PO, confessing that he would similarly like the senator to be his human friend. Although Greyshade seems to dismiss Master-Com's notion, the conversation clearly effects him emotionally, causing him to reflect on his recent actions towards Leia and the other Rebels. We also learn in this issue that the droid hating bounty hunter Captain Valance, who we met in issue #16, is still on Luke's trail. Most notably though, this issue is important because it sees the return of Darth Vader. The Dark Lord of the Sith is finally reintroduced back into the comic after more than a year, with his last appearance having been at the end of the movie adaptation in Star Wars #6. Although we are first teased by seeing Luke fight a dream image of Vader, the Dark Lord returns for real a few pages later with an absolutely gorgeous splash page by artist Carmine Infantino (see my favourite panel below). Goodwin explains in this issue that Luke's mind touched Vader's while the farmboy was meditating on board the Millenium Falcon back in issue #18, causing the youngster to want to mentally retreat into his own subconscious. Although it probably wasn't intended that way by Goodwin at the time, the way this is all written and explained serves to nicely foreshadow events that will be seen in The Empire Strikes Back, where Luke will encounter a vision of Vader in the cave on Dagobah and then share mental communications with the Dark Lord after Luke is rescued from Cloud City. It's also worth noting that we see the first appearance of Obi-Wan Kenobi's body as a Force apparition, albeit one that exists purely in Luke's mind, rather than a bona fide Force ghost as in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. I must admit that it's great to finally see Vader return to the pages of the Star Wars comic. Goodwin writes him expertly here, with all the power and menace that you would expect. We see the Sith Lord being his normal, mercilessly evil self, while brandishing his lightsaber and we even get to see him Force choke an Imperial officer who has had the gall to call him "Dear boy". Yep, this is the Darth Vader that we know and love from the movie. On the art side of things, there's evidence of all the usual pros and cons I always make reference to in Infantino's artwork and we also have the return of Gene Day on inks. I was very critical of Day's inking in issue #18, but it seems to have improved somewhat in this issue. Infantino's front cover is pretty striking, with the looming figure of Darth Vader announcing the Dark Lord of the Sith's return to the comic and rightly so! This cover must've really caught the eye of kids browsing the spinner racks back in 1979. As an aside, there's mention on the letters page that Chris Claremont (of Uncanny X-Men fame) is working on another Star Wars story, following his excellent "Crucible!" tale in issue #17. According to Goodwin, Claremont is "hard at work shaping up another Star Wars plot for us, this time a two-parter involving Han, Luke, Chewbacca and the Princess." This two part story that Goodwin refers to will actually see the light of day as a double length story in the first Star Wars Annual in late 1979. In closing, Star Wars #21 is a very good read. The Wheel saga is really starting to build to a nice conclusion and the return of Darth Vader to the pages of the comic adds another layer of awesomeness. In addition, Infantino's artwork is probably the best he's done for this story arc so far. Continuity issues: - Luke's lightsaber is red in some of the panels in this issue, although it's coloured correctly in others.
Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "Ease the pain, Rebel...? I'll end it entirely!" – Darth Vader cruelly executes a wounded Rebel who is begging for pain relief. It was nice seeing Princess Leia escape on her own. She found the droids and Luke a bit too easily, but I guess we do have to keep the pace moving. I, too, found the mental "communication" between Luke and Vader interesting in light of later events, and the bit with Ben Kenobi was a nice touch. We get a wonderfully ruthless Darth Vader here. Looking forward to further developments with him. I see we'll also be seeing more of Valence. I've been reading some Gene Day inked Master of Kung Fu comics, where his run started in 1980, and he did a fantastic job. So far, though, his work hasn't been quite as good here. So far, it seems like Tom Palmer has been the best inker on this series. I hope there's an alternate universe out there somewhere where either Jim Starlin, Dave Cockrum, George Perez, of John Byrne did the pencils for this series!
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 3, 2021 9:57:57 GMT -5
I hope there's an alternate universe out there somewhere where either Jim Starlin, Dave Cockrum, George Perez, of John Byrne did the pencils for this series! Perez was fantastic on Logan's Run, but i've seen one of his personal illustrations of a SW scene, and frankly, it was lacking. Byrne...Lord no. No one needed to see everyone with inflated chest areas, squinty eyes, broad mouth sections, dimples and flat feet. Starlin....ehh...no. Cockrum knew his way around sci-fi (up to a point) while working on Superboy and the Legion of Superheroes, but he was too "superhero-y" for Star Wars, and I feel he would not have captured the variety of sci-fantasy character differences like Infantino.
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