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Post by Confessor on Oct 23, 2016 18:47:04 GMT -5
Star Wars #93Cover dated: March 1985 Issue title: CatspawScript: Mary Jo Duffy Artwork: Sal Buscema (pencils)/Tom Palmer (inks) Colours: Petra Scotese Letters: Rick Parker Cover art: Cynthia Martin Overall rating: 6½ out of 10 Plot summary: While on a diplomatic mission to the planet Saijo, Han Solo, Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia spot a battle damaged X-wing being pursued across the skies by three Y-wing fighters. Rushing to the Millennium Falcon, they take off and engage the Y-wings in combat, since Han has decided that three against one isn't fair odds, even though both types of ship are used by the Alliance. With the Y-wings destroyed, Han, Luke and Leia land the Falcon and pull the X-wing pilot from her wrecked craft. Back at the medical centre of the nearest Alliance base, the Cantrosian pilot, who is named Minka, tells Han, Luke and Leia that the Y-wings were Imperial ships and her base in the Cantros system has been under continuous assault from the Empire. The three assure Minka that this is impossible, partly because the Empire has now been defeated, but also because captured Imperial intelligence proves that there was no Imperial presence in the Cantros system. Nevertheless, they decide to investigate Minka's claim and head back to Cantros 7. Once there, Han, Luke and Leia meet with other Rebels who maintain that they are engaged in an ongoing fight with the Empire, prompting the trio, with Minka and her comrade Sami in tow, to travel to the Imperial base in the Falcon. After coming under attack and making an emergency landing, Luke, Han and Sami are apprehended by a group Cantrosians, while Leia and Minka evade capture. The three prisoners are taken back to a base, where they are surprised to learn that their captors are also part of the Rebellion. Suddenly, they see Durne – a member of the same group of Rebels that they had met earlier – instructing their captors to torture them. It quickly becomes apparent that Durne has been manipulating both groups of Rebels and playing each side off against the other. Leia and Minka appear to rescue their friends and, in the ensuing firefight, Luke saves the life of the Cantrosian leader who captured him, convincing the other Rebels at this location that he and his friends are not with the Imperials. The Cantrosians turn on Durne and take him prisoner, as Luke ponders who the scheming Rebel was working for and what has really been happening in the galaxy recently. Comments: Star Wars #93 is drawn by Sal Buscema, who is probably most famous for his work on Marvel's toy tie-in comic ROM and for a 10-year run on The Incredible Hulk. This is one of only two contributions that Buscema made to the Star Wars series (the other being issue #102), which is a real shame because his ability to tell a story with sequential art is marvellous, with some really interesting panel composition and clever "camera angels" on display here. Take this panel, for example... I love how we have our heroes' confiscated weapons in the foreground and we, the readers, are sort of peering around that rock at the scene unfolding beyond. It's only a little thing, but as a compositional choice it accentuates the tension of the scene and this could almost be Princess Leia and Minka's view of their friends, as they plan their rescue attempt. Regular inker Tom Palmer brings his usual high quality draftsmanship to the issue, although, like his work on issue #91, some of the pages here look much more polished than others. Cynthia Martin again handles the cover art – which is pretty unspectacular – and she will take over as the series' new regular artist from next month. Jo Duffy's plot and script is solid, as we've come to expect from her, and, actually, this issue works as something of a mystery story, with the reader trying to figure out what's going on and who the "Imperials" that the Cantrosians are fighting really are. In that respect, this is a real page turner. Speaking of the Cantrosians, they are the second feline-inspired race we've seen in the Star Wars comic recently, what with the Imperial adjutant Ssssk!, who appeared back in issue #84, and, just like Ssssk!, I'm afraid that they look a little too much like bipedal housecats for my tastes. Something that I find interesting about this issue is that we begin to see that Han Solo, Luke Skywalker and Leia are being lionised as legendary heroes of the Rebellion by the peoples of the newly liberated galaxy. At one point, Leia says that the further away from the galactic centre planets are, the more distorted the stories will become, with the result that the three of them will become living legends. This is perfectly in keeping with what we saw many years later in Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens, when Rey asks Han about the stories that she's heard concerning what happened during the Galactic Civil War, what with the Dark Side and the Jedi, and Han tells her it's true – all of it. On a related note, I like that Luke shows concern that he and his friend's "legend" doesn't become too big and diminish the sacrifices made by other Rebels. As he says, "everyone who's willing to risk his life for freedom is a hero, no matter who gets talked about." Knowing that it's impossible for the Rebels on Cantros 7 to the have been fighting the Empire, Luke clearly doesn't want them to feel as if they've been fighting for nothing – although, of course, they essentially have. This humility suits Luke well and is a testament to how clearly Duffy understands the essence of Skywalker's character. On the down side, the fact that the traitor Durne is so surprised to see Han and Luke at the so-called "Imperial base" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Durne was there only a handful of pages earlier when our heroes clearly stated that they were leaving to travel to the base, so why would he not be expecting them to have been there? I mean, OK, maybe he didn't know that the other Cantrosians had captured Han and Luke, but he definitely shouldn't have been as surprised as he was to see them there. Still, I like the fact that it's revealed that Durne was working for someone else, which ties in nicely with the hints about a shadowy power working behind the scenes that Knife was making, back in issue #91. It also ties this otherwise stand-alone story into the larger Nagai invasion a little later on in the series. The Wookieepedia website tells me that it was actually later retconned to have been Knife that Durne was working for in Rich Handley and Joseph Bongiorno's article "The University of Sanbra Guide to Intelligent Life: The Marvel Series" from Star Wars Gamer magazine. Something that doesn't sit well with me is Han's decision to attack and destroy the three Rebel Y-wing fighters that we see chasing Minka's X-wing at the start of the story. Han says, "when I see three against one, I draw my own conclusions about who the good guys and bad guys are", but that makes no sense at all, especially when all four ships sport Rebel markings. Simply destroying the three Y-wings because they outnumber the X-wing doesn't seem like a very good idea at all. On top of that, Luke and Leia go along with the Corellian's flawed logic, resulting in them killing other Rebels, as is pointed out later. Anyway, overall this is an enjoyable issue, with a pretty gripping plot. It was something of a favourite of mine as a kid, but these days I can see that, despite its engaging script, it's actually quite flawed in some respects. Nonetheless, this is a decent enough issue, with some rather nice Buscema art. Continuity issues: None Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "Sami, everyone who's willing to risk his life for freedom is a hero, no matter who gets talked about." – Luke Skywalker states his belief that all those who serve in the Rebel Alliance are heroes.
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Post by Confessor on Oct 23, 2016 19:41:53 GMT -5
Kind of surprised no one had anything to say about my thoughts on Leia in #86 - I thought that would be at least a little controversial! Sorry, I've been offline for a couple of days -- it was my Birthday yesterday and celebrations and family stuff took precedence. Anyway, as for your OUTRAGEOUS comments about Princess Leia... For a Rebel Princess Leia is not very rebellious. I said it before and I know that is a weird thing to say. Of the main cast Leia is by far the most ideologically commited to the Rebellion. In many ways she is the heart and soul of the movement. That being said, as Confessor's choice of quote makes clear, Leia did not come to the Rebellion as an adult, after some personal turning point or tragedy. She was raised in opposition to the Empire and her beliefs are Bail Organa's beliefs. That doesn't mean she doesn't think about them - she comes across as far too smart and passionate a woman to simply be parroting someone else's view - but it does make her different to Han or Luke or Lando, and in think in some ways she probably does still have the most black and white attitude to the Galactic Civil War. I've always enjoyed issues where Leia is forced to come face to face with dedicated Imperials who disagree with her politics but don't fall easily into a corrupt, power hungry standard Imperial box. In many ways they make a fascinating counterpart to Han confronting his own foils in the Rik Duel Gang. This story is the most memorable, and given the Alderaan connection, the most personal but equally interesting is her dealings with Major Grau in the World of Fire arc (from Star Wars Weekly) and Admiral Lieutenant Giel in Golrath Never Forgets! (#65) - respectively an Imperial patriot who refuses an offer to defect out of principle and an officer who even after being demoted is willing to sacrifice himself if it means killing Leia on the belief that her death would be a far greater blow to the Rebels than his would be to the Empire. As I've said though this probably the most memorable of the stories where Leia has to confront someone who simply rejects her beliefs without being an unthinking drone, who considers her a traitor. As you say Confessor, the TIE pilot doesn't have the most well thought out philosophy but there is genuine weight to his conversations with Leia, and to the fact that she is able to get through to him. None of the previous encounters had truly happy endings, and perhaps neither does The Alderaan Factor! but I think this is the one that shows her best, at her most mature, wisest and most compassionate. I agree with a lot of what you're saying here, but I don't understand why you feel that Leia isn't very rebellious? Also, although you are spot on about her dislike of and resistance to the Empire having been instilled in her from a young age by Bail Organa, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Leia has "the most black and white attitude to the Galactic Civil War". Her motivation is different to Han and Luke because she's suffered a lot more personal tragedy at the hands of the Empire than they have. The losses that the princess had to endure -- that of her parents, her entire world and everything she called "home" (not to mention the psychological torture she endured on board the Death Star) -- utterly dwarfs anything that Luke Skywalker had to endure. Star Wars #89Cover dated: November 1984 Issue title: I'll See You in the Throne Room!Script: Ann Nocenti Artwork: Bret Blevins Colours: Glynis Wein Letters: Joe Rosen Cover art: Bret Blevins Overall rating: 2 out of 10 I could be wrong but is that the lowest rating you've graded Confessor? Ummm...yes, the lowest rating for one of the regular U.S. comics -- although issue #78 came close with 2½. Some of the Pizzazz strips scored as low as a ½ point, but as far as the regular series goes, yeah, this is the lowest rated issue so far. I don't think it is quite as bad as that, but it isn't good and unfortunately it jars badly with the issues around it, in style, characterisation and continuity. Where are Plif, Kiro and the Rik Duel Gang? Last we saw they were with Luke but seemingly they've vanished. As noted in my review, I think that the only way that you can make this story fit into then-current Marvel continuity is to slot it between pages 5 and 6 of issue #81. I speculated in my review of issue #81 that several days, if not weeks, must've passed between those two pages, based on how things had changed on Tatooine when Han and Leia got there, so it's feasible that Luke could've gone off and had this adventure on the planet Solay during that time.
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Post by Confessor on Oct 23, 2016 19:45:49 GMT -5
I always thought that Boba Fett's return in Star Wars: Dark Empire (1991-1992) was a pseudo-continuation of Star Wars #81, where he briefly escaped the Saarlac & then fell back in. I always thought he escaped again, and thereby that's how he showed up in DE - where he said something like, "The Sarlaac found me somewhat indigestible" to Han. Sure, I know that DH & the '90's SW novels largely ignored the Marvel comics continuity, but I still think they kept the Marvel comics in mind in some cases... Oh, it certainly works as an explanation, and I'm glad that I'm not the only one who tried to reconcile the events of Dark Empire with those of Star Wars #81, but Fett's dialogue in DE could just as easily be a reference to his dip in the Sarlaac in ROTJ as well. Was it left intentionally open like that, as a way to include the events of SW #81 if reader's so wished? Maybe. I'm dubious myself, but you may well be right. What gets confusing with SW EU continuity is that there's so much of it these days. You have the late '70's/'80's continuity (SOTME novel, Marvel comics, Brian Daley Han Solo novels, Lando Calrissian novels, WEG) & then you have the '90's-on novels/comics (DE, HTTE trilogy by Tim Zahn, the terrible Jedi Academy novels by KJA, etc.). Now, you have the post-Disney continuity, which ignores most/all of the previous continuity. I can't keep track of it all, so don't even bother. I'll just read what I like. Disney & Lflm. can go screw themselves with their continuity However, when SW #81 came out that fall, I ended up borrowing it from a friend - and, at the time I thought it was cool that they were expanding the story beyond ROTJ. This issue remains possibly my favorite post-ROTJ SW issue; You and me both! Although, as I noted in my review, it's almost certainly my favourite issue of the entire series. I thought it was interesting how the story almost made you feel sorry for Boba Fett to a certain extent, especially given that Han/Leia tried to save him from falling back into the Saarlac pit. I'm not sure that this issue ever maade me feel sorry for Fett, but I definitely always thought that it was fascinating to see Han wrestling with his conscience -- knowing that he should save Fett, but clearly being tempted to leave him to an unpleasant death...not unreasonably given the history that the pair had.
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Post by rossn on Oct 24, 2016 2:35:31 GMT -5
Sorry, I've been offline for a couple of days -- it was my Birthday yesterday and celebrations and family stuff took precedence. Anyway, as for your OUTRAGEOUS comments about Princess Leia... Oh, belated happy birthday! Hope it went well! I had one last month. I agree with a lot of what you're saying here, but I don't understand why you feel that Leia isn't very rebellious? Also, although you are spot on about her dislike of and resistance to the Empire having been instilled in her from a young age by Bail Organa, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Leia has "the most black and white attitude to the Galactic Civil War". Her motivation is different to Han and Luke because she's suffered a lot more personal tragedy at the hands of the Empire than they have. The losses that the princess had to endure -- that of her parents, her entire world and everything she called "home" (not to mention the psychological torture she endured on board the Death Star) -- utterly dwarfs anything that Luke Skywalker had to endure. Very true. Princess Leia suffers far more than any of the others. However, and I think this is important, her attitude is already set in stone before Grand Moff Tarkin destroys her home. The very first time we see her Leia, still a princess and a senator, she is running an incredibly important and dangerous mission for the Rebel Alliance of which she already appears to be one of the leaders. She sneers at both Vader and Tarkin and bristles with heroic defiance. At this point Alderaan is still around and given her position and her 'outraged diplomat' act towards Vader it is fairly unlikely Leia has felt the oppressive nature of the Empire on a personal level (she almost certainly has seen it affect others however.) I think a lot of that personal loathing of the Empire was down to how she was raised, which is why she seems less rebellious to me - Luke is already in a state of rebellion against his aunt and uncle (even if he is not very good at it ) and Han and Lando are in rebellion against the galaxy at large. Leia is following in her father's footsteps. Ummm...yes, the lowest rating for one of the regular U.S. comics -- although issue #78 came close with 2½. Some of the Pizzazz strips scored as low as a ½ point, but as far as the regular series goes, yeah, this is the lowest rated issue so far. Wow. Hopefully that score will remain unchallenged for the rest of the run! As noted in my review, I think that the only way that you can make this story fit into then-current Marvel continuity is to slot it between pages 5 and 6 of issue #81. I speculated in my review of issue #81 that several days, if not weeks, must've passed between those two pages, based on how things had changed on Tatooine when Han and Leia got there, so it's feasible that Luke could've gone off and had this adventure on the planet Solay during that time. Yeah, that makes a sort of sense! The 90's/2000's Expanded Universe had a few stories set straight after Jabba's demise which are kind of fun. In one of them some of Jabba's thugs try and steal his personal ship only to find the Hutt had set up the ship's computer with a security program based on his own personality.
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Post by rossn on Oct 24, 2016 4:05:20 GMT -5
Star Wars #90Cover dated: December 1984 Issue title: The Choice!Script: Mary Jo Duffy Artwork: Bob McLeod (breakdowns)/Tom Palmer (finished art & inks) Colours: Bob Sharen Letters: Rick Parker Cover art: Bob McLeod (pencils)/Tom Palmer (inks) Overall rating: 6 out of 10 For me the treatment of the Empire after Endor is the biggest disappointment of the entire Marvel run. The Galactic Civil War, the whole engine of the story for the first four fifths of the series run is brushed offscreen with a few unsatisfactory lines of dialogue that raise more questions than they answer. To be fair, as you have pointed out Confessor, Duffy and the other Marvel writers very much had their hands tied by Lucas. It is maddening, knowing what freedom Timothy Zahn would have just a few years later when writing Heir to the Empire, to think about what we might have seen if the Marvel writers had had the same opportunity. As it is we are told that the (unidentified) Imperial leaders have surrendered to the Alliance and the former Rebels are facing a mopping up operation against small factions of ex-Imperials. I know you've said that the bulk of the Imperial military was destroyed at Endor Confessor but that is only likely if the Empire just has a few dozen ships available in the entire Imperial Navy. The evidence from the film suggests a fleet of a couple of dozen Star Destroyers - a big and powerful fleet certainly, but not the hundreds or thousands the Empire is implied to have. Lines from the film itself imply a much bigger navy. As our heroes approach the Sanctuary Moon and Luke senses Vader on the Executor Han reassures him that "there are lot of command ships" implying that the Empire has several similar ships around (some reassurance Han! ). There is also the line about "the Imperial fleet spread throughout the galaxy" which implies the Empire is using (and has) enough warships to bluff the Rebels into thinking the Second Death Star won't have much protection. Even Palpatine's line about a full Legion of his best troops being on the Sanctuary Moon does imply he has more than one legion. The earlier Marvel comics also give the Empire a big fleet - big enough that an entire fleet of older ships can be left to patrol unimportant backwaters ( #46) or that an immense armada can perform escort duty for an admittedly important secret weapon ( #61). So where did all these Imperials go, and if they did dutifully lay down their arms why didn't the Alliance of Free Planets use those ships and crews in the desperate life or death struggle against the Nagai? Aside from the 'where did all of the Imperials actually go?' question the peace negotiations feel like a real missed opportunity too. Imagine our heroes having to protect Imperial moderates from diehard Imperial hardliners, or uncover threats from Rebel factions unhappy at a negotiated peace, or find the first traces of Lumiya and/or the Nagai scheming. As I've said it isn't Marvel's fault that we didn't get to see any of this, but even knowing that it still feels very disappointing. Moving away from the Empire and to the rest of this issue I can't say Mon Mothma and the rest of the Alliance leadership comes across very well. The decision that no one who is not present for an arbitraily timed meeting should have no say in the future of the GFFA is not just stupid it is worryingly undemocratic. The comics seem to have forgotten that there is an existing galactic government that Leia is part of (and Admiral Ackbar is not) - the Sentate! I've never understood why this institution is never referenced again, even though we have already met at least one senator (Greyshadow) so there must be others out there. Lines in A New Hope ("the Rebellion will continue to gain support in the Imperial Senate...") suggest that even under Palpatine the Senate was not entirely composed of Imperial-line lapdogs and with the Emperor dead it is the obvious body to undissolve itself and take over the government at least on a temporary basis. Indeed the suspiciously shadowy Imperial leaders Mon Mothma mentions could even be the Senate. So... do I have anything positive to say about this issue. Actually yes, despite my disappointment at the offscreen end of the Galactic Civil War (which isn't the fault of Duffy) and the stupidity and ingratitude of the Rebel leadership towards the people who won the war (which might be more the fault of Duffy). The cover is really very striking and our heroes are well characterised throughout. I do like the tensions between Rik Duel and the Rebels and the brother-sister bonding between Luke and Leia (and I didn't know even the sibling bond was restricted by Lucas.) We even get the first steps towards a new generation of Jedi Knights, even if Luke is understandably reluctant to take the plunge. Even given my frustrations I'm very happy to stick with these stories. If anything knowing the near impossible restrictions the Marvel writers were placed under increases my admiration for what they do achieve.
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Post by Confessor on Oct 24, 2016 10:06:57 GMT -5
For me the treatment of the Empire after Endor is the biggest disappointment of the entire Marvel run. The Galactic Civil War, the whole engine of the story for the first four fifths of the series run is brushed offscreen with a few unsatisfactory lines of dialogue that raise more questions than they answer. To be fair, as you have pointed out Confessor, Duffy and the other Marvel writers very much had their hands tied by Lucas. It is maddening, knowing what freedom Timothy Zahn would have just a few years later when writing Heir to the Empire, to think about what we might have seen if the Marvel writers had had the same opportunity. As it is we are told that the (unidentified) Imperial leaders have surrendered to the Alliance and the former Rebels are facing a mopping up operation against small factions of ex-Imperials. Yeah, it is a shame that Jo Duffy wasn't given the same freedom as later writers. I think she pretty much did as good a job as she could under the restrictions that were placed on her, but it does kind of leave a lot to be desired, I'll grant you. I think the fact that Lucasfilm kept Marvel on such a short leash during the post-ROTJ period was partially what convinced Marvel that they didn't really want a SW comic on the shelves anymore. As we now know, George Lucas essentially walked away from SW after completing the third film and it's easy to see that he perhaps might not have been wholly enamored with Marvel continuing his story after he'd stopped. From Lucasfilm's point of view, the comic book, which had initially been conceived as a publicity tool, had long since served its purpose. I know you've said that the bulk of the Imperial military was destroyed at Endor Confessor but that is only likely if the Empire just has a few dozen ships available in the entire Imperial Navy. The evidence from the film suggests a fleet of a couple of dozen Star Destroyers - a big and powerful fleet certainly, but not the hundreds or thousands the Empire is implied to have. Lines from the film itself imply a much bigger navy. I think the implication is that there were a lot more Imperial ships and troops at the Battle of Endor than we saw on film. Take the ground troops for example, Palpatine states that a legion of his finest troops are on Endor and a legion is normally 10,000 soldiers, but there's no way we saw the Ewoks defeating 10,000 stormtroopers. As for the fleet specifically, I've always understood that the cream of the Imperial navy was at Endor, either engaging the Rebellion or docked within the Death Star itself. Certainly the ROTJ novelization seems to support this. As our heroes approach the Sanctuary Moon and Luke senses Vader on the Executor Han reassures him that "there are lot of command ships" implying that the Empire has several similar ships around (some reassurance Han! ). See, personally I've always heard that line as Han saying, there are a lot of command ships here, not that there a lot of command ships in the galaxy. There is also the line about "the Imperial fleet spread throughout the galaxy" which implies the Empire is using (and has) enough warships to bluff the Rebels into thinking the Second Death Star won't have much protection. Even Palpatine's line about a full Legion of his best troops being on the Sanctuary Moon does imply he has more than one legion. The earlier Marvel comics also give the Empire a big fleet - big enough that an entire fleet of older ships can be left to patrol unimportant backwaters ( #46) or that an immense armada can perform escort duty for an admittedly important secret weapon ( #61). So where did all these Imperials go, and if they did dutifully lay down their arms why didn't the Alliance of Free Planets use those ships and crews in the desperate life or death struggle against the Nagai? In the Marvel run, the majority of those other ships did lay down their arms and surrender following the destruction of the second Death Star. The reason being that the Imperial war machine was essentially rudderless after the twin loses of the Emperor and Darth Vader. Some hardliners continued to fight on and, as we are seeing in the comics that I'm currently reviewing, other leaders tried to rally the still loyal troops and rebuild the Empire. Maybe you consider such a cut and dried end to a huge military power, after the loss of its leader, to be unrealistic, but there are real world parallels. Just look at Hitler's death and the end of World War 2. The German military having been beaten back into Germany can be seen as in comparable terms to the loss of its Death Star, but it was Hitler's death (like the Emporer's) that finally caused the German army/air force/navy etc to surrender. I'm not saying that the way the Marvel series handled it was perfect, but given what they had to work with, it at least held water. Moving away from the Empire and to the rest of this issue I can't say Mon Mothma and the rest of the Alliance leadership comes across very well. The decision that no one who is not present for an arbitraily timed meeting should have no say in the future of the GFFA is not just stupid it is worryingly undemocratic. Yeah, that whole plot contrivance is really crappy. Essentially, it's just a way to conveniently take the book's heroes out of the political arena and keep them on the front lines, so to speak, which is probably where most readers of the time wanted them. Galactic politics can be dry, as the prequels showed us, and the comic was essentially aimed at 10 to 14-year-olds, after all. The comics seem to have forgotten that there is an existing galactic government that Leia is part of (and Admiral Ackbar is not) - the Sentate! I've never understood why this institution is never referenced again, even though we have already met at least one senator (Greyshadow) so there must be others out there. Lines in A New Hope ("the Rebellion will continue to gain support in the Imperial Senate...") suggest that even under Palpatine the Senate was not entirely composed of Imperial-line lapdogs and with the Emperor dead it is the obvious body to undissolve itself and take over the government at least on a temporary basis. Indeed the suspiciously shadowy Imperial leaders Mon Mothma mentions could even be the Senate. The senate didn't exist in the timeline of the Marvel comic because it was dissolved by the Emperor during the first Star Wars film. Grand Moff Tarkin says as much during the meeting on board the Death Star, during which Vader Force-chokes Admiral Motti. That's why it was never referenced -- it didn't exist any more. Greyshade was an ex-senator, just like Leia.
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Post by rossn on Oct 24, 2016 11:47:10 GMT -5
Yeah, it is a shame that Jo Duffy wasn't given the same freedom as later writers. I think she pretty much did as good a job as she could under the restrictions that were placed on her, but it does kind of leave a lot to be desired, I'll grant you. I think the fact that Lucasfilm kept Marvel on such a short leash during the post-ROTJ period was partially what convinced Marvel that they didn't really want a SW comic on the shelves anymore. As we now know, George Lucas essentially walked away from SW after completing the third film and it's easy to see that he perhaps might not have been wholly enamored with Marvel continuing his story after he'd stopped. From Lucasfilm's point of view, the comic book, which had initially been conceived as a publicity tool, had long since served its purpose. I'd never thought about it that way but that sounds scarily plausible. A real shame. I think the implication is that there were a lot more Imperial ships and troops at the Battle of Endor than we saw on film. Take the ground troops for example, Palpatine states that a legion of his finest troops are on Endor and a legion is normally 10,000 soldiers, but there's no way we saw the Ewoks defeating 10,000 stormtroopers. As for the fleet specifically, I've always understood that the cream of the Imperial navy was at Endor, either engaging the Rebellion or docked within the Death Star itself. Certainly the ROTJ novelization seems to support this. I'd actually agree that the cream of the crop in terms of talent was at Endor, and surprisingly so does the later EU. In Heir to the Empire Captain Pellaeon reflects that - from the point of view of the Imperial military - the loss of the Executor was a far bigger blow than either Death Star but Vader's flagship had a hugely disproportionate number of ambitious and talented young officers who saw it as a quick (if dangerous!) route to the top. (Of course in Heir to the Empire a lot of the Imperial Navy fled rather than be blown up or captured so there is that.) See, personally I've always heard that line as Han saying, there are a lot of command ships here, not that there a lot of command ships in the galaxy. Hmm, I can't say I ever read it that way, and the Exectutor is the only one of it's type we actually see onscreen. In the Marvel run, the majority of those other ships did lay down their arms and surrender following the destruction of the second Death Star. The reason being that the Imperial war machine was essentially rudderless after the twin loses of the Emperor and Darth Vader. Some hardliners continued to fight on and, as we are seeing in the comics that I'm currently reviewing, other leaders tried to rally the still loyal troops and rebuild the Empire. Maybe you consider such a cut and dried end to a huge military power, after the loss of its leader, to be unrealistic, but there are real world parallels. Just look at Hitler's death and the end of World War 2. The German military having been beaten back into Germany can be seen as in comparable terms to the loss of its Death Star, but it was Hitler's death (like the Emporer's) that finally caused the German army/air force/navy etc to surrender. I'm not saying that the way the Marvel series handled it was perfect, but given what they had to work with, it at least held water. I don't know, but I suppose we aren't going to agree on how serious the Imperial defeat at Endor was - you see it as crippling in and of itself, I see it as bad but survival, with the deaths of the Emperor and Darth Vader being far more devastating. I guess in WWII terms I'd see Endor as more like the Battle of Stalingrad or the Battle of Midway - a blow but not one that would ordinarily mean an immediate surrender. The other problem with that though is that it still doesn't explain what happened to the surrendered Imperials or the equipment. Endor doesn't have huge POW camps, at least that we see and the Alliance doesn't have access to the many Star Destroyers they should have lying around when the Nagai turn up. As I've said the Imperial surrender really sets up more questions than it answers. Yeah, that whole plot contrivance is really crappy. Essentially, it's just a way to conveniently take the book's heroes out of the political arena and keep them on the front lines, so to speak, which is probably where most readers of the time wanted them. Galactic politics can be dry, as the prequels showed us, and the comic was essentially aimed at 10 to 14-year-olds, after all. I suppose that's true (and I liked the Prequels!) It does seem like there could have been a happy medium somewhere. The senate didn't exist in the timeline of the Marvel comic because it was dissolved by the Emperor during the first Star Wars film. Grand Moff Tarkin says as much during the meeting on board the Death Star, during which Vader Force-chokes Admiral Motti. That's why it was never referenced -- it didn't exist any more. Greyshade was an ex-senator, just like Leia. Of course, but with the Emperor dead, why not just 'undissolve' it? The Senate was only dissolved a few years earlier in what the Rebellion would probably proclaim to be a tyrannical abuse of power by Palpatine. Assuming there are members still living they could plausibly claim to be the legitimate galactic government, forcibly shut down under an illegal act by the late Emperor. They might even win friends with moderates across the galaxy who would be nervous about dealing with revolutionaries but would happily work with a more traditional Senate (even if several of those Senators are also revolutionaries like Leia.) Of course at that point we are heading back into Galactic Politics and as you pointed out the readers of the time might not have been grateful!
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Post by rossn on Oct 24, 2016 12:07:06 GMT -5
Star Wars #91Cover dated: January 1985 Issue title: Wookiee WorldScript: Mary Jo Duffy Artwork: Tony Salmons (breakdowns)/Tom Palmer (finished art & inks) Colours: Glynis Wein Letters: Ken Bruzenak Cover art: Tony Salmons (pencils)/Tom Palmer (inks) Overall rating: 6½ out of 10 Knife might be the character who makes the single nastiest first impression in the Marvel run. Arrogant, ugly (like you I have difficulty seeing the Manga influence Confessor) and engaged in slavery he is instantly hate-able and his introduction is nicely handled to give us a mystery new antagonist. That said I am far more interested in the teased idea of Domina Tagge. I do wonder if Duffy had intended to introduce her after the Nagai-Tof arc was finished? Star Wars #92Cover dated: February 1985 Issue title: The DreamScript: Mary Jo Duffy Artwork: Jan Duursema (pencils)/Tom Mandrake (inks) Colours: Glynis Wein Letters: Rick Parker Cover art: Cynthia Martin (pencils)/Bill Sienkiewicz (paints) Overall rating: 7 out of 10 The beautiful cover image to this issue is my favourite of the whole series and the simple two word story title that accompanies it feels strangely eloquent in it's own right. The story itself never quite lives up to the height of the cover, but it is still very good. (For some reason whenever I mentally picture it I always see Luke with his hand outstretched towards Vader, not in confrontation but in closure.) I don't really have that much to add to your review here Confessor, other than general agreement.
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Post by rossn on Oct 26, 2016 6:23:00 GMT -5
Star Wars #93Cover dated: March 1985 Issue title: CatspawScript: Mary Jo Duffy Artwork: Sal Buscema (pencils)/Tom Palmer (inks) Colours: Petra Scotese Letters: Rick Parker Cover art: Cynthia Martin Overall rating: 6½ out of 10 Finally caught up! I agree the catpeople are a bit too cat. I mean the Hutts may be sluglike, but they are not literally just giant slugs. Other than that I enjoyed the story. Even if (as I may have made clear ) I think the offscreen disposal of the Empire was a disappointment, the idea of faking Imperial involvement to get Rebels fighting each other is inspired. I suspect the later Expanded Universe writers must have based Nom Anor on the sort of manipulations Knife was doing. I do agree the destruction of the Y-Wings is a bit off. It reminds me of a discussion I was having over on the Jedi Council Forums over whether the new Marvel comics make the Rebels a bit too bloodthirsty in shooting down fleeing Imperials - there is a scene in the Shattered Empire comic (set during the Battle of Endor and immediately after) where the heroine (a Rebel X-Wing pilot) attacks a shuttle fleeing the Death Star. The shuttle turns out to be the one Luke escaped in and he is able to break her weapons lock with the whole thing played as a wacky misunderstanding but it left me a little uncomfortable.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 26, 2016 9:52:51 GMT -5
I haven't read alot of these (before my time... I'll be doing so as Marvel puts out the epics though), but in regards to the politics v. action thing.. I think it would have been pretty easy to have a page or two out of each issue showing political events.. either worked into the story or as a legit back up story.
Of course, if it wasn't allowed, that's another issue.
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Post by Confessor on Oct 26, 2016 11:46:24 GMT -5
I haven't read alot of these (before my time... I'll be doing so as Marvel puts out the epics though), but in regards to the politics v. action thing.. I think it would have been pretty easy to have a page or two out of each issue showing political events.. either worked into the story or as a legit back up story. Of course, if it wasn't allowed, that's another issue. Well, as discussed, in the post-ROTJ era, Duffy wasn't actually supposed to have the Empire mentioned at all, on Lucasfilm's instructions, but actually, she did address the political situation a lot more than she was supposed to. So, don't go thinking that it was simply swept under the carpet, but it certainly wasn't explored in as much detail as it could've been. Duffy herself as said that was disappointed to see how much the later EU writers were allowed to do with the likes of the Empire or Boba Fett, compared to the tight rein that she was kept on. For the most part though, Duffy actually did a fantastic job of keeping the post-ROTJ Marvel comics interesting, given the restrictions she was under and all the characters she wasn't allowed to use. On a side note, if you do get round to reading any of this run wildfire2099, I'd be really interested in your thoughts on specific issues, even if my reviews are long finished by then.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 26, 2016 14:17:55 GMT -5
I certainly will be looking at the reviews (and perhaps posting) when I read them, don't worry! I'm also pondering perhaps starting some other Star Wars thread after you're done. either some of the Dark Horse stuff or the new Marvel stuff. I really like Ostrander's Tales of the Jedi books.. but the effort of getting them all together and in order might be too much work .
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Post by Confessor on Oct 26, 2016 18:10:48 GMT -5
I certainly will be looking at the reviews (and perhaps posting) when I read them, don't worry! I'm also pondering perhaps starting some other Star Wars thread after you're done. either some of the Dark Horse stuff or the new Marvel stuff. I really like Ostrander's Tales of the Jedi books.. but the effort of getting them all together and in order might be too much work . You should totally start a SW review thread! I certainly don't plan to do another one after this. I'll be moving on to other characters/books next. Some of the Dark Horse stuff would be great to see reviewed. If the Tales of the Jedi books are a bit too conveluted, maybe it might be easier to choose something like the Dark Empire trilogy or maybe just do a straight forward series like X-Wing: Rogue Squadron? I'd definitely follow any such thread though, whatever you go with.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 26, 2016 18:16:33 GMT -5
I did also have a notion to do the EU stuff chronologically, but that would be kinda crazy. The problem there would be some of the novel have comic book versions, and some don't. Lots of choices .
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Post by rossn on Oct 26, 2016 18:25:13 GMT -5
I did also have a notion to do the EU stuff chronologically, but that would be kinda crazy. The problem there would be some of the novel have comic book versions, and some don't. Lots of choices . I'd be very happy to read more EU reviews, and as a fan of the novels it would be interesting to see the differences in some of the works.
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