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Post by Confessor on Oct 30, 2016 12:49:36 GMT -5
Star Wars #94Cover dated: April 1985 Issue title: Small WarsScript: Mary Jo Duffy Artwork: Cynthia Martin (pencils)/Tom Palmer (inks) Colours: Glynis Wein Letters: Rick Parker Cover art: Cynthia Martin Overall rating: 4 out of 10 Plot summary: At the Alliance base on the forest moon of Endor, the native Ewoks have declared war on a visiting delegation of Lahsbees. The trouble between the two diminutive races is being caused by an alleged affair that one of the visitors is having with the Ewoks' Princess Kamida. This has prompted the Ewok warrior Tippet, who is Kamida's swain, to declare war on the Lahsbees in a fit of jealous rage. However, both sides are, in fact, being manipulated by Hirog, an aide to Admiral Ackbar, who has contrived the incident in an attempt to unbalance the Alliance and make it easier for his race, the Hiromi, to conquer the galaxy. As Hirog communicates with the Hiromi mothership from the undergrowth, the disgruntled Ewoks launch an attack on Luke Skywalker and the Lahsbees, hurling rocks and stones at them. As a particularly large boulder is launched from an Ewok catapult, Luke uses the Force to send it crashing into the bushes – where it knocks Hirog unconscious. As the fight dies down, Luke, Princess Leia, Han Solo, Chewbacca, R2-D2 and C-3PO all try to figure out a solution to the impending war, while Hirog regains consciousness and primes a bomb that will destroy the Ewok village and kill the Alliance leaders. Meanwhile, Lando Calrissian convinces both of the warring sides that this is an affair of the heart and, as such, should be settled by Tippet and the accused Lahsbee alone. As the pair square off against each other, Han gives the woefully unprepared Lahsbee his blaster, but due to his unfamiliarity with the weapon, the tiny creature begins firing it randomly in all directions, as Ewoks and Alliance members run for cover. A stray shot hits Hirog's bomb, but has the effect of starting an uncontrolled countdown to detonation, rather than destroying it. As the Lahsbee continues to fire Solo's blaster, he becomes overexcited and transforms into a huge, monstrous Huhk. The hulking creature advances towards the spear-wielding Ewoks, just as a panicked Hirog runs screaming from the undergrowth. Coming face to face with the ferocious creature, the Hiromi spy flees back into the foliage, as the beast hurls a large boulder after him, hitting the bomb and destroying it. Back on board the Hiromi mothership, Hirog's superiors hear his panicked screams and decide to suspend their plans for invasion and leave the galaxy, abandoning their spy on Endor. With the Ewoks and Lahsbees having made their peace, Luke, Han, Leia, and the others watch amused, as Hirog is pursued through the trees by the ferocious Huhk. Comments: Although I think that Star Wars #94 is a pretty fun read, it also marks the beginning of the end of the original Marvel series, as far as I'm concerned. What I mean by that is, for me, this is the point where the quality of the comic's artwork and writing begins to seriously tail off. Having said that, I do really like the basic idea of an Ewok/Lahsbee war (even if it does turn out that both sides have been manipulated). The clash represents an entertaining and interesting meeting of the Marvel characters and George Lucas's creations. It also serves to ground the action on Endor, which is a nice change of pace from the inter-planetary adventures that we normally see in Star Wars. As an aside, I do kind of wonder if this issue was timed to shine a light on the Ewoks, just as their own comic – which was based on the Ewoks cartoon series and published through Marvel's STAR Comics imprint – was about to debut. The fact that we have an Ewok on the front cover, with not a Lahsbee in sight – making this issue look for all the world like an Ewoks comic – tends to lend credence to that theory, in my eyes. Regardless of Marvel's marketing strategy though, writer Jo Duffy is clearly having a lot of fun here with the notion of these two diminutive, furry races going head-to-head. The set up at the beginning of the issue, in which our heroes gravely talk about an upcoming war between two of the Alliance's greatest allies – as if there is about to be some major galactic conflict – is a good way to hook the reader, before revealing that, actually, the central cast are not really taking the impending war seriously at all. It's also nice to see the Ewoks playing a larger role in the comic, since they've mostly been relegated to the background since the events of Return of the Jedi. We even get a brief appearance from Wicket, who was the first Ewok that Princess Leia met. This issue is somewhat important (or maybe "infamous" is a better word) within the context of the series for two reasons. Firstly, it gives us our first look at Hirog and his race, the Hiromi (who Duffy named after the Japanese singer Hiromi Go, incidentally). Trouble is, I think Hirog, who is initially introduced as an aide to Admiral Ackbar, is probably my least favourite character of the entire Marvel run. The way that he's drawn makes him look like an utter joke! Without exaggeration, he and his insectoid race are probably the worst designed and most poorly conceived alien concept that I've ever seen published in a mainstream comic book... On top of Hirog's appallingly bad design, he's an annoyingly jokey, bumbling character, who's clearly supposed to provide some big laughs, but unfortunately comes across as annoying, rather than funny. Truth be told, Hirog's entire race are equally annoying, with their plan of using the Ewok/Lahsbee war as a way to divide the galaxy being utterly ridiculous – even for a plot devised by a comic book villain! Based on the reaction of the Alliance leaders, it seems far more likely to me that the other races in the galaxy would simply ignore the feud (although the idea of killing the Alliance leaders with a bomb, to further destabilise things politically, isn't without merit). Hirog is just so bad at being a spy and so prone to being on the receiving end of slapstick accidents, that it stretches credibility to believe that he could ever have successfully infiltrated the Alliance, let alone carried out his mission. In addition, the fact that the Hiromi abandon their plans for galactic conquest because of a misunderstanding, seems so hackneyed and unbelievable that it sort of reminds me of one of those old 1950s Marvel sci-fi tales. For better or worse though, the incompetent, bumbling Hiromi will go on to play a much larger role in the series. The second reason why this issue is significant (or infamous), is because it sees the debut of Cynthia Martin as the comic's new regular artist. I have to say right up front that I'm really not a fan of Martin's art. While I do see something sort of "classical" and almost art nouveau about her artwork at times, it's much more akin to '80s, Saturday morning kid's cartoons. Her grasp of anatomy, or posture and articulation, seems to be a little wonky too, and you'd have never gotten panels as slapdash or cartoony as these below during Ron Frenz's run... Come back Carmine Infantino...all is forgiven! This cartoony style of art is – and was, back when I was a 12-year-old fan of the series – a really jarring change of pace from the exquisite, movie-authentic work that the likes of Walt Simonson, Ron Frenz and Tom Palmer brought to the book in its heyday. Palmer is still on board for this issue, but he would be gone by next month to work on The Avengers with John Buscema. Palmer does his best to rein in the worst excesses of Martin's style, but he seems to be rather "dialling it in" in places, leaving many pages looking rather sloppy. All in all, I'd have to say that, although this issue is basically a fun read, it's a little too "played for laughs" for my tastes. I've always liked Duffy's use of humour in the series, but here it starts to tip over into making the Star Wars comic seem like a comedy. The introduction of the intensely annoying Hirog doesn't help things and neither does Martin's cartoony artwork. Still, this issue is important for introducing the Hiromi race to the series, regardless of whether you think that's a good thing or not. Ultimately, Star Wars #94 is a tongue-in-cheek, jokey story, which, while being pretty flawed in some respects, is nonetheless quite readable. Continuity issues: None Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "Lahsbees, dangerous? Come off it, pal! You're never gonna convince me you were ever scared of one of 'em. This whole thing is a joke, right?" – Han Solo incredulously asks Chewbacca about the Lahsbees' fighting ability.
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Post by philfrombrentwood on Oct 30, 2016 15:58:12 GMT -5
Pretty much agree with everything here especially in regards to Ms Martin's art which seemed very out of place with Star Wars. I don't ever recall seeing her artwork anywhere else afterwards so she couldn't have gone down well. Despite that I did like what the Marvel UK art team did with the cover.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 30, 2016 16:37:00 GMT -5
Come back Carmine Infantino...all is forgiven! That had me laughing out loud!!!
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Post by chaykinstevens on Oct 30, 2016 17:51:01 GMT -5
Pretty much agree with everything here especially in regards to Ms Martin's art which seemed very out of place with Star Wars. I don't ever recall seeing her artwork anywhere else afterwards so she couldn't have gone down well. She went on to pencil Ann Nocenti's Spider-man three-parter Life in the Mad Dog Ward and worked with Steve Gerber on Web Of Spider-Man Annual #4 and the Marvel Comics Presents storyline Vandals of the Heart, both featuring Poison.
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Post by Confessor on Oct 30, 2016 19:51:01 GMT -5
Pretty much agree with everything here especially in regards to Ms Martin's art which seemed very out of place with Star Wars. I don't ever recall seeing her artwork anywhere else afterwards so she couldn't have gone down well. She went on to pencil Ann Nocenti's Spider-man three-parter Life in the Mad Dog Ward and worked with Steve Gerber on Web Of Spider-Man Annual #4 and the Marvel Comics Presents storyline Vandals of the Heart, both featuring Poison. I had no idea it was Martin drawing the Mad Dog Ward arc in Amazing Spider-Man. Though it's been ages since I read that arc, I remember it being quite good...and quite trippy. Maybe Martin's artwork gelled better with that kind of dark, surrealistic story than it did with Star Wars.
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Post by rom on Oct 31, 2016 20:50:42 GMT -5
I agree that Cynthia Martin's art is definitely not for everyone. I did like the tech/ships she drew of the warring factions in some of the post-ROTJ issues, i.e. the punk rock white-skinned aliens & the green aliens. I will also say that I do appreciate these post-ROTJ issues now much more than I did at the time these came out in the '80's.
That all being said, I definitely think the SW title lost a lot of steam in the post-ROTJ issues - for the most part. The writers seemed to be floundering for ideas - and, with the Empire gone as a viable enemy for Luke & co. to fight, there wasn't that much tension in these stories.
This went along with what I've called "the dark times" for SW fans, i.e. the time period from roughly 1985/1986 - 1991. There was very little new SW material during this time; the Marvel SW comic was winding down & while we did some great cartoon series (Droids & to a lesser extent Ewoks) and two decent made-for TV movies (the two live-action Ewok films), that was the extent of it - for the most part....other than the West End Games Sourcebooks/adventures, which were not for everyone - I myself got some of the sourcebooks, but never played the game(s).
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Post by rossn on Nov 1, 2016 16:28:57 GMT -5
I actually rather like the Ewoks but at the same time it feels a bit strange the Alliance seems in no hurry to get off Endor, an out of the way moon who's few inhabitants have stone age technology which was only strategically important at all because the Second Death Star was orbiting around it. Shouldn't they have packed their bags for Coruscant by now, or at the very least somewhere that could serve as a better temporary capital? I like the Hiromi better than you Confessor but yeah I have to agree they are very silly, and Admiral Ackbar in particular comes across as totally moronic for trusting Hirog who does all but twirl his moustache in front of him. This went along with what I've called "the dark times" for SW fans, i.e. the time period from roughly 1985/1986 - 1991. There was very little new SW material during this time; the Marvel SW comic was winding down & while we did some great cartoon series (Droids & to a lesser extent Ewoks) and two decent made-for TV movies (the two live-action Ewok films), that was the extent of it - for the most part....other than the West End Games Sourcebooks/adventures, which were not for everyone - I myself got some of the sourcebooks, but never played the game(s). Good point. Ironically though I am roleplayer and have many of the West End Game books my actual experience with the game is limited to a few play-by-post forum games - I didn't have much chance to play anything until I reached college and by then the very different Wizards of the Coast version of the rules was in the picture (though I never warmed to that game, it had too much crunch.) Out of interest which sourcebooks did you have rom?
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Post by rom on Nov 1, 2016 20:13:15 GMT -5
I actually rather like the Ewoks but at the same time it feels a bit strange the Alliance seems in no hurry to get off Endor, an out of the way moon who's few inhabitants have stone age technology which was only strategically important at all because the Second Death Star was orbiting around it. Shouldn't they have packed their bags for Coruscant by now, or at the very least somewhere that could serve as a better temporary capital? I like the Hiromi better than you Confessor but yeah I have to agree they are very silly, and Admiral Ackbar in particular comes across as totally moronic for trusting Hirog who does all but twirl his moustache in front of him. This went along with what I've called "the dark times" for SW fans, i.e. the time period from roughly 1985/1986 - 1991. There was very little new SW material during this time; the Marvel SW comic was winding down & while we did some great cartoon series (Droids & to a lesser extent Ewoks) and two decent made-for TV movies (the two live-action Ewok films), that was the extent of it - for the most part....other than the West End Games Sourcebooks/adventures, which were not for everyone - I myself got some of the sourcebooks, but never played the game(s). Good point. Ironically though I am roleplayer and have many of the West End Game books my actual experience with the game is limited to a few play-by-post forum games - I didn't have much chance to play anything until I reached college and by then the very different Wizards of the Coast version of the rules was in the picture (though I never warmed to that game, it had too much crunch.) Out of interest which sourcebooks did you have rom? I have at least two WEG sourcebooks: The Imperial Sourcebook (with the Emperor's Royal Guards standing on the DS II on the cover), and the Han Solo & the Corporate sector sourcebook - which fleshed out two of the great Brian Daley Han Solo novels. These HS novels were superb, and some of my favorite EU out there. I liked how this particular sourcebook fleshed out the Corporate Sector Authority, Gallandro, and other characters from these novels. I always hoped WEG would also come out with a Sourcebook based on the Lando C. novels from the '80's (by L. Neil Smith), but nothing like this ever came out.
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Post by rossn on Nov 2, 2016 10:26:52 GMT -5
I actually rather like the Ewoks but at the same time it feels a bit strange the Alliance seems in no hurry to get off Endor, an out of the way moon who's few inhabitants have stone age technology which was only strategically important at all because the Second Death Star was orbiting around it. Shouldn't they have packed their bags for Coruscant by now, or at the very least somewhere that could serve as a better temporary capital? I like the Hiromi better than you Confessor but yeah I have to agree they are very silly, and Admiral Ackbar in particular comes across as totally moronic for trusting Hirog who does all but twirl his moustache in front of him. Good point. Ironically though I am roleplayer and have many of the West End Game books my actual experience with the game is limited to a few play-by-post forum games - I didn't have much chance to play anything until I reached college and by then the very different Wizards of the Coast version of the rules was in the picture (though I never warmed to that game, it had too much crunch.) Out of interest which sourcebooks did you have rom? I have at least two WEG sourcebooks: The Imperial Sourcebook (with the Emperor's Royal Guards standing on the DS II on the cover), and the Han Solo & the Corporate sector sourcebook - which fleshed out two of the great Brian Daley Han Solo novels. These HS novels were superb, and some of my favorite EU out there. I liked how this particular sourcebook fleshed out the Corporate Sector Authority, Gallandro, and other characters from these novels. I always hoped WEG would also come out with a Sourcebook based on the Lando C. novels from the '80's (by L. Neil Smith), but nothing like this ever came out. According to Wookiepedia there was a Lando sourcebook planned but for some reason it never happened. I love the Brian Daley Han Solo books and I've seen Han Solo & the Corporate Sector on Amazon. Might be worth picking up. I have the Trilogy Sourcebook (which is pretty much what it says on the tin), Pirates & Privateers, Galaxy Guide: Mos Eisley and Cynabar's Fantastic Technology: Droids. Mos Eisley is probably the best, giving a close up look at our favourite hive of scum and villainy and her inhabitants with a lot of great story hooks and fleshing out the setting. Pirates & Privateers is a close second, basically giving ideas for a privateer campaign where the players are pro-Alliance pirates who have cut a deal with the Rebels to go after pro-Empire corporations (Tagge Co. is one of the potential targets listed.) Basically a good excuse to play greedy but still 'good' characters in the setting. Droids isn't bad, and again it has a few references to the Marvel comics ( Droid World is detailed) but it was the victim of unlucky timing, coming out just a couple of years before the prequels. There isn't much in it that really contradicts the newer films but given it talks about anti-droid prejudice and battle droids the lack of connection to the Clone Wars feels jarring.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 3, 2016 10:44:18 GMT -5
Star Wars #95Cover dated: May 1985 Issue title: No ZeltronsScript: Mary Jo Duffy Artwork: Cynthia Martin (pencils)/Steve Leialoha (inks) Colours: Glynis Oliver Letters: Rick Parker Cover art: Kent Williams Overall rating: 7 out of 10 Plot summary: On the planet Kinooine, the Dark Lady of the Sith, Lumiya, learns from a captured former Rebel that he and his party were sent to the planet by her nemesis, Luke Skywalker. Realising that she now has the means to lure her enemy to her, the Sith Lord prepares a trap for the young Jedi. Back at the Alliance base on Endor, Princess Leia reluctantly accepts a group of four male Zeltrons – a race that Leia is not at all fond of – as her escorts and personal attendants, in order to facilitate closer diplomatic ties with their homeworld. As Luke, Kiro and Dani depart to investigate the disappearance of the scouting party on Kinooine, Leia, Han Solo and the Zeltrons leave for a summit on the planet Kabray. Once there, it soon becomes apparent that they have walked into an ambush, and the group is quickly captured by the slaver, Knife, and other members of his species. The Alliance delegation are thrown into a prison cell, but with much help from Leia's Zeltron attachés, they soon manage to escape and overpower their captors. Meanwhile, on the barren world of Kinooine, Luke begins to set up camp, while Kiro and Dani scout the nearby terrain. Some time later, a wounded Kiro stumbles back to the camp, pleading with Luke to save his lover Dani from a mysterious assailant. Grimly, Skywalker heads off in the direction of his friend's encounter and soon comes face to face with Lumiya. Igniting his lightsaber, as Lumiya simultaneously activates her lightwhip, the pair silently engage in a vicious duel. Although Luke puts up a valiant fight, Lumiya eventually manages to gain the upper hand, disarming the young Jedi and knocking him to the ground unconscious. Comments: Star Wars #95 features the first instalment of the Dark Lady story arc, which will continue through to issue #97. The story is certainly a gripping one, with the return of Lumiya, the Dark Lady of the Sith, who looks fairly different to how she did during her first appearance in issue #88. We get a striking splash page showcasing Lumiya's new look, which I'd have to say is a big improvement over her earlier design... Interestingly, Kent Williams's front cover painting, which is a rather nice piece of artwork, by the way, has Lumiya clothed in the armour that she wore during her earlier appearance. Regardless, the Lady of the Sith comes across as a much more sinister and much more threatening adversary here than she did in issue #88. I also really like her lightwhip weapon, which is part-real whip and part lightsaber, with the weapon's metal and leather tails encased in a crackling sheath of energy. Along with the reappearance of Lumiya, writer Jo Duffy also introduces us to the Nagai warrior, Den Siva, although he is not named in this issue. Several other Nagais appear here too, along with Knife, who we met back in Star Wars#91, but their species are referred to as "Knives" by the Alliance members, after the first one of their type that Han Solo encountered. The Nagai race were actually named after the legendary Japanese manga artist, Go Nagai, creator of the popular Cutey Honey series, whom Duffy was a big fan of. Talking to starwars.com in 2002, artist Cynthia Martin recalled that she came up with their visual design by looking at Japanese comics: " Jo Duffy suggested that I look at anime for inspiration for the Nagai. This was back when anime was scarcely known in the mainstream; Jo was really ahead of her time. She showed me a Japanese comic about a tragic vampire that had a strong influence on my concept drawings." To my eyes, however, the Nagai look more like Elves – particularly Dark Elves – from fantasy literature, with their slender, slightly androgynous appearance and pointed ears, rather than exuding a manga influence. But maybe that's just me. Martin's artwork in this issue is still not really to my tastes, but Steve Leialoha's tight inking works wonders at tempering the worst excesses of her cartoony style. Nonetheless, the quality of the art in this issue is a little uneven, with some of it working better than other parts. Martin's quite good at conveying the high tension of Luke Skywalker and Lumiya's duel though, with this page in particular being heavy on operatic drama... Plus, I also really like the inventive way that Martin uses jagged, rough-looking panel borders in the scenes set on Kinooine. This serves to highlight the planet's rugged, inhospitable terrain, while also lending these scenes a nightmare-like quality. Leialoha, who had previously done such a fantastic job inking some of the Star Wars movie adaptation and Star Wars Annual #1, provides some sharp detailing, particularly in the backgrounds. However, while he minimises the cartoon-ish elements present in Martin's work, he also brings a hard-edged quality to her art, which seems to accentuate its ugliness and leaves it looking rather harsh. Ultimately though, the end result is probably some of Martin's best looking artwork on the series, although that's hardly saying very much. It's probably just a coincidence, but the title, "No Zeltrons", is actually something that Princess Leia exclaimed in Star Wars #88, which was also the issue that featured Lumiya's debut. It's actually kind of a throwaway title for, what is, quite a dark story. The group of Zeltron males that are assigned to Leia look rather like a red-skinned boyband, dressed up in camp '80s fashions... Fortunately, the Zeltrons provide some real laughs, which serves to lighten the otherwise heavy script somewhat. It's also nice to see that, after initially establishing them as little more than comic relief, Duffy has the Zeltrons play an important part in Leia and Han's escape from their Nagai captors. That's a nice way to show up Leia's irrational dislike of their race for the narrow-minded attitude that it is. In fact, this is really the point at which Leia's dislike of Zeltrons, which could have previously been dismissed as a simple dislike for Dani, tips over into blatant racism. I mean, just what is it that Leia has against this race?! Duffy's characterisation of the princess as being bigoted towards a particular race seems really at odds with what we've previously seen in the series and in the Star Wars films. Something else that niggles me slightly is how Kiro and Dani seem to be a couple now. Where the hell did that come from? I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a nice piece of character development for Dani, but it just seems to have come out of nowhere. Where was the set up for this development? The only evidence of any vague romantic connection between the two that we've seen was in issue #87, when a frightened Dani cuddled up to Kiro for comfort and called him "darling". However, Dani's still all over Luke later on in that same issue, so it's not apparent that she's developed any special feelings for the Iskalonian. Like I say, I don't mind the Kiro/Dani relationship at all, but I would've liked to have seen a little bit more set up for it. On the political side of things, Duffy gives us some interesting hints at the developing, post-Empire situation, with some worlds feeling that the former Rebellion is too "rough and ready" and too much of a military organisation to administer peace throughout the galaxy. That sounds like a very plausible thing for certain systems to think, as far as I'm concerned, but fortunately Han and Leia demonstrate to the delegates on Kabray that that it is precisely its military experience that makes the Alliance the ideal organisation to secure peace. It's also nice to revisit the Kabray system, which is home to Kabray Station, where issue #77 was set. All in all, this is a much more gripping tale than we got last issue. Duffy and Martin both do a good job of building the tension in the story, as Luke heads to Kinooine and unknowingly into Lumiya's trap. The writer ratchets up the drama further with a second plot to capture Han and Leia on Kabray. The duel between Luke and Lumiya is really well handled and the final page, with Luke seemingly defeated by the Dark Lady, gives us the best cliffhanger we've seen in the series for a while. Martin's cartoon-like art is still bothersome and Leia's inexplicable racism towards the Zeltrons doesn't sit at all well with me, but nonetheless, this is definitely one of the better issues from the latter part of the series. Had this comic been drawn by the old art team of Ron Frenz and Tom Palmer, it would have no doubt scored higher than 7 out of 10. Continuity issues: None Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "Y'know, when I first met you, I thought you were unique. An' I gotta say, the thought of a whole race of your kind is really depressing." – Han Solo sarcastically taunts the Nagai warrior Knife, who has the Corellian at blasterpoint.
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Post by rossn on Nov 3, 2016 12:24:53 GMT -5
Star Wars #95Cover dated: May 1985 Issue title: No ZeltronsScript: Mary Jo Duffy Artwork: Cynthia Martin (pencils)/Steve Leialoha (inks) Colours: Glynis Oliver Letters: Rick Parker Cover art: Kent Williams Overall rating: 7 out of 10 Another great review Confessor. Glad I'm not the only one to see the Nagai=Dark Elves connection. I want to leave most of the talk about the Lumiya and Luke fight to the next issue, so I'll concentrate on the other aspects here. You are right about the Dani/Kiro pairing coming out of nowhere but I suppose the poor girl finally got fed up of Luke's total indifference (as I said before I still think Luke is nuts given Dani's awesomeness, but even aside from Dani in particular I think Duffy writes him as a little too asexual for someone who had a romantic side in the earlier comics.) I do agree Leia's intolerance with the Zeltrons painting her in a rather poor light. I think her bodyguards are a lot of fun honestly, and one aspect I like is that male Zeltrons seem to have a very similar world view to the women. (Also that is a wonderful panel choice. )
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Post by Confessor on Nov 3, 2016 12:51:17 GMT -5
Another great review Confessor. Glad I'm not the only one to see the Nagai=Dark Elves connection. Yeah, I've never seen much of a manga or anime influence in the Nagai at all. I want to leave most of the talk about the Lumiya and Luke fight to the next issue, so I'll concentrate on the other aspects here. You are right about the Dani/Kiro pairing coming out of nowhere but I suppose the poor girl finally got fed up of Luke's total indifference (as I said before I still think Luke is nuts given Dani's awesomeness, but even aside from Dani in particular I think Duffy writes him as a little too asexual for someone who had a romantic side in the earlier comics.) I think it makes sense that Dani would tire of Luke's indifference to her, and like you, that indifference puzzles me. However, Dani puts it on such a plate for Luke that if he were to ever take advantage of her, it might not seem like a very hero-y thing to do. The Kiro and Dani romance is absolutely fine with me and, as I said in my review, I do like the development it represents for the Zeltron, but it just seems really sudden. I do agree Leia's intolerance with the Zeltrons painting her in a rather poor light. I think her bodyguards are a lot of fun honestly, and one aspect I like is that male Zeltrons seem to have a very similar world view to the women. I don't understand what Leia's problem is at all. I mean, I can accept that she isn't very fond of Dani, but why be so down on the whole race? Personally, I suspect that Duffy accentuated Leia's dislike of Zeltrons for comedic effect, not realising that, actually, it had the unintended consequence of painting the princess as something of a bigot. (Also that is a wonderful panel choice. ) Heh! I don't know why that panel sticks in my mind so much (or maybe it's obvious!) but, for me, it's definitely the panel I think of first when I recall this issue.
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Post by rossn on Nov 4, 2016 12:33:48 GMT -5
I think it makes sense that Dani would tire of Luke's indifference to her, and like you, that indifference puzzles me. However, Dani puts it on such a plate for Luke that if he were to ever take advantage of her, it might not seem like a very hero-y thing to do. The Kiro and Dani romance is absolutely fine with me and, as I said in my review, I do like the development it represents for the Zeltron, but it just seems really sudden. The heroing thing makes sense (even if it is as we said before kind of double standard-y.) I wonder if there was also a reluctance to have Luke in a relationship with an alien - I mean Zeltrons look just like (very good looking) humans with magneta coloured skin and hair but still. I don't understand what Leia's problem is at all. I mean, I can accept that she isn't very fond of Dani, but why be so down on the whole race? Personally, I suspect that Duffy accentuated Leia's dislike of Zeltrons for comedic effect, not realising that, actually, it had the unintended consequence of painting the princess as something of a bigot. That sounds plausible sadly. I have to say while Leia's racism is very unattractive I do really like the way Duffy has managed to flesh out the Zeltrons, even though we have only met five of them, and only one for an extended period. Babh, Jahn, Marruc and Rahuhl share Dani's friendliness, aesthetic sense, fun and curiosity but they lack her greed and their adoration for Leia and Han is hero worship rather than strictly romantic. It paints a picture of a species that does have definite cultural traits but still allow for individuals. Dani became a smuggler and pirate (with a heart of gold) but that doesn't mean every Zeltron is like that. Heh! I don't know why that panel sticks in my mind so much (or maybe it's obvious!) but, for me, it's definitely the panel I think of first when I recall this issue. Hah, I can see why!
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Post by tex1272 on Nov 4, 2016 12:41:34 GMT -5
This point in the series is where Dani really starts to show some maturity which I liked. And she sure seemed happy to know Kiro would live at the end of #87.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 6, 2016 11:59:03 GMT -5
I' never heard of Pizazz before this forum (before my time)... what was it exactly? You say 'teen magazine', but, with comics? Or just Star Wars? I know I am responding to an old post; but, I had to comment on this one. Pizazz was Marvel's attempt to compete with DC, in an arena where they ruled. Well, not exactly (and not exactly compete with DC); but it did factor into DC coming back strongly to compete with Marvel. Back in 1974, Scholastic, Inc, the children's book publisher, launched a magazine, called Dynamite. It was primarily sold via their monthly school book club. It was the brainchild of Jenette Kahn, who had similar success with a magazine called Kids (created and produced by actual children) and, later Smash (for Xerox). Kahn oversaw the first 9 issues, before handing off to Jane Stine, wife of future Goosebumps author RL. Dynamite was a mixture of pop culture articles, educational material, puzzles and games, and comics. The comics were mostly from DC, including Batman (there were some Marvel stories, too). They later created their own heroes, the Dynamite Duo. The magazine lasted until 1992, which is a heckl of a run. Seeing the success of this, Marvel created their own version, Pizazz, which they heavily promoted in ads within their comics. It wasn't the success that Dynamite was and Star Wars was about the only major draw for it. It was cancelled after 16 issues. Marvel had similar, though better luck with Crazy, their attempt to compete with Mad and Cracked. It was success on these magazines that led to Jenette Kahn being approached about taking over the publishing of DC Comics. Kahn has remarked in interviews about the state of things when she arrived and how horrified she was with some of the business practices, compared to the world of mainstream book and magazine publishing. The old guard fought her tooth and nail; but, she found key allies in Neal Adams, Joe Orlando, and Paul Levitz and dragged DC out of the past and instituted many incentives and reforms that drew talent away from the competition. It took a while to get things done and many reforms (such as royalties and ownership) were highly compromised (and many have eroded since); but, it began to pay off. DC in the late 70s was a much better publisher than it was by the mid-70s and it really started rockin' in the 80s, setting off salvos that not only had the industry reeling; but, drew attention from the outside world, who used to poo-poo comics. Now, back to your regularly scheduled program....
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