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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 3, 2015 2:24:09 GMT -5
The monkey above makes sense!!!!!
I always wanted to type that sentence and finally the opportunity appeared
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 3, 2015 10:04:06 GMT -5
I agree with Pol's sentiments in general (knowing comics history as well as I do, how could I not?) but I still think Claremont makes his influences a little too obvious.
Cei-U!
I summon the subtlety gap!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jan 3, 2015 10:53:35 GMT -5
Let's be honest, almost ANYONE who spends 17 years grinding out 24 pages of story a month every month is gonna be hacking it at least SOME of the time. And to be fair, so much of the superhero genre is pulling ideas from other places and whacking a leotard on it whether it's Bill Finger recycling a Shadow story as 'The Case of the Chemical Syndicate', Roy Thomas remaking '36th Chamber of Shaolin' as 'Iron Fist', pretty much every British writer of the 80's doing their take on Michael Moorcock's Jerry Cornelius stories, or Dan Slott and Mike Allred turning the Silver Surfer into Doctor Who. Very few ideas are created ex nihilo, and a lot of the ones that are are pretty ordininary. Honestly, if you can take an old idea, find a new spin to put on it, and execute it very well indeed, I'll take that over an entirely new, original idea who is mediocre in its execution. Wha??!!! I've not watched much but what I have bored me to tears. Is the comparison that obvious? And I have no problem with different takes on characters (I enjoyed the whole alien abduction SS volume complete with his comparison to grays) Dr Who's just dull to me. |
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Post by ironchimp on Jan 3, 2015 14:18:14 GMT -5
i'm on other side. A comic book writer is doing 3 or 4 arcs a year. of course it's impossible to tell purely original stories whether you do one arc or 100 arcs but the standards we expect from comic book writers is really low compared to novelists in my opinion.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jan 3, 2015 14:26:21 GMT -5
Let's be honest, almost ANYONE who spends 17 years grinding out 24 pages of story a month every month is gonna be hacking it at least SOME of the time. And to be fair, so much of the superhero genre is pulling ideas from other places and whacking a leotard on it whether it's Bill Finger recycling a Shadow story as 'The Case of the Chemical Syndicate', Roy Thomas remaking '36th Chamber of Shaolin' as 'Iron Fist', pretty much every British writer of the 80's doing their take on Michael Moorcock's Jerry Cornelius stories, or Dan Slott and Mike Allred turning the Silver Surfer into Doctor Who. Very few ideas are created ex nihilo, and a lot of the ones that are are pretty ordininary. Honestly, if you can take an old idea, find a new spin to put on it, and execute it very well indeed, I'll take that over an entirely new, original idea who is mediocre in its execution. Wha??!!! I've not watched much but what I have bored me to tears. Is the comparison that obvious? And I have no problem with different takes on characters (I enjoyed the whole alien abduction SS volume complete with his comparison to grays) Dr Who's just dull to me. It's more in the sense that the Surfer now has a human companion he takes on adventures with him. It's been a great book, filled with the kind of quirky moments that you'd expect from Allred. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 4, 2015 11:53:22 GMT -5
i'm on other side. A comic book writer is doing 3 or 4 arcs a year. of course it's impossible to tell purely original stories whether you do one arc or 100 arcs but the standards we expect from comic book writers is really low compared to novelists in my opinion. The monkey above makes sense!!!!! We're blessed with 2 smart chimps here |
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Post by Pól Rua on Jan 4, 2015 18:30:48 GMT -5
Wha??!!! I've not watched much but what I have bored me to tears. Is the comparison that obvious? And I have no problem with different takes on characters (I enjoyed the whole alien abduction SS volume complete with his comparison to grays) Dr Who's just dull to me. It's more in the sense that the Surfer now has a human companion he takes on adventures with him. It's been a great book, filled with the kind of quirky moments that you'd expect from Allred. Don't get me wrong, I love Slott and Allred's Silver Surfer, but it's about a mystery man from someplace else who has an equally mysterious method of conveyance (that looks like something that shouldn't be able to travel the universe) who turns up, befriends a young human and then offers to show her the endless wonderment of the universe. Personally, I think it's an inspired idea to do the Surfer as a riff on Doctor Who. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 6, 2015 18:50:23 GMT -5
I agree with Pol's sentiments in general (knowing comics history as well as I do, how could I not?) but I still think Claremont makes his influences a little too obvious. Cei-U! I summon the subtlety gap! I do kinda agree. Especially on X-men he seems to be drawing from a fairly shallow and obvious genre fiction pool, making his work less interesting to me than (say) Bill Finger who's incoporating German Expressionism and Surrealism of (to go completely in the opposite direction) Grant Morrison who's work is influenced by sociology, music, and fashion. |
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Post by berkley on Jan 6, 2015 20:28:48 GMT -5
Everyone will have a different take on this, but one thing I notice about myself is that I'm more or less forgiving of a writer lifting an idea from somewhere for a single story - like Pol said, it's probably unrealistic to expect serial writers to come up with something original for every single story month after month, year after year.
OTOH, I find myself less forgiving of a writer who lifts an entire concept for a character or series because he or she can't figure out anything to do with it as it stands.
So I didn't like a Doctor Strange miniseries a few years ago that tried to turn that character into a magical Doctor Who complete with companion, etc. I think there's already a very cool Doctor Strange paradigm to work with and if you don't like it or can't think of any good stories for it, then maybe you should be writing some other series.
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Post by Pól Rua on Jan 7, 2015 18:14:09 GMT -5
I do kinda agree. Especially on X-men he seems to be drawing from a fairly shallow and obvious genre fiction pool, making his work less interesting to me than (say) Bill Finger who's incoporating German Expressionism and Surrealism of (to go completely in the opposite direction) Grant Morrison who's work is influenced by sociology, music, and fashion. It's always a good idea to get new ideas into funnybook storytelling. One thing which worries me about a lot of the current crop of guys is that they're dudes who grew up reading mainstream ongoing Marvel and DC superhero comics, and they're now writing mainstream ongoing Marvel and DC superhero comics. So you end up with the snake eating its own head, and a bunch of guys whose only method of storytelling is to retread previous stories. |
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