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Post by coke & comics on May 4, 2015 13:38:30 GMT -5
Last night (again because my timing is off) I watched part 2 of the Samurai Trilogy. An excellent film. And I now know why the character in Usagi is named Jotaro. I will have to watch part 3 soon.
And then maybe I can watch some western films in June.
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Post by Jesse on May 6, 2015 2:01:54 GMT -5
Hondo (1953) Just finished watching this on Encore On Demand and was really impressed by it. This was John Wayne at his peak and the restoration of this classic looks phenomenal. The action throughout is superb, the performances are outstanding, the story is excellent and the climax is epic. An absolute must see for fans of the Western genre.
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Post by shaxper on May 6, 2015 13:19:22 GMT -5
Watched the ultimate anti-Western today, The Big Lebowski (1998). Though there are no cowboys nor six shooters, this film only begins to make sense (note: "begins to") when viewed in the context of the traditional Western. In addition to being framed by images of drifting tumbleweed, Gene Autry music, and Sam Elliot narration, the entire point of the film is to draw contrast between the heroism we idealized in the California of the 19th century against the ambivalence found there today. The film offers competing, often hilarious ideas of heroism, nobility, and even belief systems, all portrayed as absurd, impotent, and ultimately wishy-washy. In the end, when Sam Elliot pronounces that he takes comfort in knowing the dude is "out there, taking it easy for all us sinners," there's no way to read that line but sarcastically. Even without a single noble cowboy present, this film is obviously a love letter to the kind of simple, unwavering heroism found in those tales. If you haven't seen it, it's also cinematic genius and absurdly funny.
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 6, 2015 14:38:33 GMT -5
Watched the ultimate anti-Western today, The Big Lebowski (1998). Though there are no cowboys nor six shooters, this film only begins to make sense (note: "begins to") when viewed in the context of the traditional Western. In addition to being framed by images of drifting tumbleweed, Gene Autry music, and Sam Elliot narration, the entire point of the film is to draw contrast between the heroism we idealized in the California of the 19th century against the ambivalence found there today. The film offers competing, often hilarious ideas of heroism, nobility, and even belief systems, all portrayed as absurd, impotent, and ultimately wishy-washy. In the end, when Sam Elliot pronounces that he takes comfort in knowing the dude is "out there, taking it easy for all us sinners," there's no way to read that line but sarcastically. Even without a single noble cowboy present, this film is obviously a love letter to the kind of simple, unwavering heroism found in those tales. If you haven't seen it, it's also cinematic genius and absurdly funny. I never thought of this as a Western, though as you frame it I think it totally makes sense.
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Post by MDG on May 7, 2015 12:14:36 GMT -5
Watched the ultimate anti-Western today, The Big Lebowski (1998). Though there are no cowboys nor six shooters, this film only begins to make sense (note: "begins to") when viewed in the context of the traditional Western. In addition to being framed by images of drifting tumbleweed, Gene Autry music, and Sam Elliot narration, the entire point of the film is to draw contrast between the heroism we idealized in the California of the 19th century against the ambivalence found there today. The film offers competing, often hilarious ideas of heroism, nobility, and even belief systems, all portrayed as absurd, impotent, and ultimately wishy-washy. In the end, when Sam Elliot pronounces that he takes comfort in knowing the dude is "out there, taking it easy for all us sinners," there's no way to read that line but sarcastically. Even without a single noble cowboy present, this film is obviously a love letter to the kind of simple, unwavering heroism found in those tales. If you haven't seen it, it's also cinematic genius and absurdly funny. I never thought of this as a Western, though as you frame it I think it totally makes sense. It's also been called a noir, ostensibly based on The Big Sleep.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 17:14:00 GMT -5
Hondo (1953) Just finished watching this on Encore On Demand and was really impressed by it. This was John Wayne at his peak and the restoration of this classic looks phenomenal. The action throughout is superb, the performances are outstanding, the story is excellent and the climax is epic. An absolute must see for fans of the Western genre. Totally agree with you Jesse!
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Post by Jesse on May 7, 2015 19:16:16 GMT -5
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid (1973) I had seen bits and pieces of this growing up but this is the first time I sat through the whole thing. As a huge fan of Sam Peckinpah I'm always looking forward to viewing more of his work. Peckinpah like Sergio Leone is one of the quintessential Western directors who bring their unique perspectives to the genre. The casting in this is interesting with James Coburn and Kris Kristofferson giving excellent performances as the title characters. The soundtrack by Bob Dylan who also appears in the film is fantastic and fits the time period perfectly. Of course there is something inherently cool about seeing Kristofferson and Dylan interact on screen. There are also noteworthy appearances from Jason Robards, Slim Pickens and Harry Dean Stanton. The action and shootouts are all well done and I thought the ending and build up to were very satisfying.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 19:25:52 GMT -5
Again, this movie that you've described is spot on. I thoroughly enjoyed Kris Kristonfferson's performance and he did a terrific job acting in this movie. I did not think that he will do a good job but he did a terrific job in Billy the Kid that I was stunned by his ability to work with James Corburn who played Pat Garrett. Great Western and one other thing that Kris Kristofferson fell in love with on-screen love interest Rita (played Maria) Coolidge and the two were married shortly after filming. I was surprised by that.
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 7, 2015 21:49:33 GMT -5
I never thought of this as a Western, though as you frame it I think it totally makes sense. It's also been called a noir, ostensibly based on The Big Sleep. I've often labeled it a noir myself, I think I mentioned it back when we did noir as a theme, and while there are other westerns that I would consider noir it never crossed my mind that this could be one of them.
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Post by shaxper on May 7, 2015 22:17:42 GMT -5
It's also been called a noir, ostensibly based on The Big Sleep. I've often labeled it a noir myself, I think I mentioned it back when we did noir as a theme, and while there are other westerns that I would consider noir it never crossed my mind that this could be one of them. I think the two are contrasted against each other in the film. The framing of the film desperately wants it to be the simple Western tale of a hero, but instead a very modern person finds himself caught up in the jaded world of Noir. In a sense, I think the film tries to argue that the only real difference between Westerns and Noir (beyond the setting) is the attitude. Both involve good guys and bad guys, crime, greed, and crazy plots, but Westerns believe there's a virtuous hero out there who will trump it all, while Noir believes there are no good guys and, if there are, they get a bullet in the back soon enough. The Dude and the reality of the American 1990s fails to hold to either expectation of course, giving us an outcome that is neither heroic nor particularly jaded. It's just an ending, no matter how hard Sam Elliot tries to sell it otherwise. And don't forget that the rise of Noir followed on the heels of the Western heyday. The Big Lebowski uses film history as a reflection of all that America has gone through, passing from an age of innocence to an age of cynicism. A shift we saw both in the 1950s (coming out of the idealism of Post WWII and into the Cold War) and in the early 1990s (coming out of the idealism of Post-Cold War American and into Operation Desert Storm).
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 8, 2015 16:21:13 GMT -5
High NoonOkay. I didn't really stretch myself, but I hadn't seen this in probably a decade and it was readily available on Netflix streaming. By most reasonable measures this is hit most lists of the ten best western movies ever. And that's interesting...because it's a pretty atypical western. This is very liberal film in a very conservative genre. It takes aim right at the heart of McCarthyism. And it's a pretty quiet western. The fight between Gary Cooper and Lloyd Bridges and the climactic gun battle being the only real action scenes. And it's a fairly small western. It takes place entirely in the fictional town of Hadleyville and is confined to a Hollywood sound-stage. None of the sweeping vistas of John Ford's Monument Valley scenes. But it works perfectly as a western. Will Kane, the lone man standing up for right in the face of daunting odds. Kane could have left, though he'd certainly be followed and hounded by Jack Miller. But even though it may cost him his new bride, he can't run. He's not capable as a person...and he knows the town will be at the mercy of Miller. To be fair...I'm not sure why Kane would care about this particular bride. She's not remotely interesting. I can't for the life of me figure out why he'd want Grace Kelly, cold and distant as Amy when Katy Furtado is available as the fiery and completely interesting Helen Ramirez. And it's hard to imagine why he'd risk his life for the people of the town of Hadleyville who are prepared to let him be gunned down by Miller and his gang. But that's the point. Kane is a hero. And the people of Hadleyville are sheep who will turn a blind eye to injustice. The cast is great, though not without issues. Cooper is arguably a bit long in the tooth to play Kane. Especially given he's five years older than Lon Chaney, Jr. who plays his aged mentor. As has been intimated above, I'm not a big fan of Grace Kelly...but she's given very very little to do. Katy Furtado, on the other hand is a spitfire. It's nice to see Lloyd Bridges as something besides a nice guy. Cameos of interest are Jack Elam as the drunk in the holding cell and Lee Van Cleef as one of Miller's gang. It is Van Cleef's first film role and he has no lines...but he still has presence. This is very much a film of its time. It means a lot more if you know about the blacklist and what was happening in Hollywood at the time. Fred Zinneman and Stanley Kramer worked on a tight budget. And it is both a very old-fashioned and at the same time a very progressive western. Dimitri Tiomkin's score is excellent. Is it the greatest western ever. No...I don't think so. But it's one of the greatest. And it is definitely one of the most important.
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Post by Jesse on May 8, 2015 23:04:29 GMT -5
Duck, You Sucker (1971) Underrated Sergio Leone masterpiece and the last western film he directed. Although this is the second film in the trilogy ("Once Upon a Time in the West" and "Once Upon a Time in America") it's very enjoyable on it's own. James Coburn is ridiculously cool as an Irish demolitions expert in Mexico during the revolution. Rod Steiger also gives a fantastic performance as Juan. Leone does an incredible job of capturing the brutality of the Mexican Civil War and the action throughout is genuinely epic especially the explosions. The train wreck explosion and subsequent battle are an insane spectacle and the death of Coburn's character is absolutely tragic.
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Post by coke & comics on May 8, 2015 23:58:40 GMT -5
Watched my first Western of the month, Sam Peckinpah's Wild Bunch, about a group of outlaws, some of whom are getting a bit old for outlawing. And the world definitely seems to have outgrown outlaws. Set in 1913, well after you expect a Western film to be set, because the world had changed. Just wasn't a place for train robbers on horseback any more. I read a 1969 review of the film by Roger Ebert. He called it the most violent film ever made. I wonder to what extent that was true. Being born in the '80s, it didn't strike me as particularly violent, though I perhaps wouldn't take kids to it. But it struck me as a masterpiece of filmmaking, great cuts told the story and kept the pacing. Storywise, it reminds me a lot of what Unforgiven accomplished. I've always been fascinated by a western hero's (or outlaw's) last ride.
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Post by coke & comics on May 9, 2015 4:02:16 GMT -5
High NoonOkay. I didn't really stretch myself, but I hadn't seen this in probably a decade and it was readily available on Netflix streaming. By most reasonable measures this is hit most lists of the ten best western movies ever. And that's interesting...because it's a pretty atypical western. This is very liberal film in a very conservative genre. It takes aim right at the heart of McCarthyism. And it's a pretty quiet western. The fight between Gary Cooper and Lloyd Bridges and the climactic gun battle being the only real action scenes. And it's a fairly small western. It takes place entirely in the fictional town of Hadleyville and is confined to a Hollywood sound-stage. None of the sweeping vistas of John Ford's Monument Valley scenes. But it works perfectly as a western. Will Kane, the lone man standing up for right in the face of daunting odds. Kane could have left, though he'd certainly be followed and hounded by Jack Miller. But even though it may cost him his new bride, he can't run. He's not capable as a person...and he knows the town will be at the mercy of Miller. To be fair...I'm not sure why Kane would care about this particular bride. She's not remotely interesting. I can't for the life of me figure out why he'd want Grace Kelly, cold and distant as Amy when Katy Furtado is available as the fiery and completely interesting Helen Ramirez. And it's hard to imagine why he'd risk his life for the people of the town of Hadleyville who are prepared to let him be gunned down by Miller and his gang. But that's the point. Kane is a hero. And the people of Hadleyville are sheep who will turn a blind eye to injustice. The cast is great, though not without issues. Cooper is arguably a bit long in the tooth to play Kane. Especially given he's five years older than Lon Chaney, Jr. who plays his aged mentor. As has been intimated above, I'm not a big fan of Grace Kelly...but she's given very very little to do. Katy Furtado, on the other hand is a spitfire. It's nice to see Lloyd Bridges as something besides a nice guy. Cameos of interest are Jack Elam as the drunk in the holding cell and Lee Van Cleef as one of Miller's gang. It is Van Cleef's first film role and he has no lines...but he still has presence. This is very much a film of its time. It means a lot more if you know about the blacklist and what was happening in Hollywood at the time. Fred Zinneman and Stanley Kramer worked on a tight budget. And it is both a very old-fashioned and at the same time a very progressive western. Dimitri Tiomkin's score is excellent. Is it the greatest western ever. No...I don't think so. But it's one of the greatest. And it is definitely one of the most important. Watched this tonight based on your recommendation. I have seen very few westerns, but I loved this film. I think it's my favorite yet.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 9, 2015 6:14:42 GMT -5
High NoonOkay. I didn't really stretch myself, but I hadn't seen this in probably a decade and it was readily available on Netflix streaming. By most reasonable measures this is hit most lists of the ten best western movies ever. And that's interesting...because it's a pretty atypical western. This is very liberal film in a very conservative genre. It takes aim right at the heart of McCarthyism. And it's a pretty quiet western. The fight between Gary Cooper and Lloyd Bridges and the climactic gun battle being the only real action scenes. And it's a fairly small western. It takes place entirely in the fictional town of Hadleyville and is confined to a Hollywood sound-stage. None of the sweeping vistas of John Ford's Monument Valley scenes. But it works perfectly as a western. Will Kane, the lone man standing up for right in the face of daunting odds. Kane could have left, though he'd certainly be followed and hounded by Jack Miller. But even though it may cost him his new bride, he can't run. He's not capable as a person...and he knows the town will be at the mercy of Miller. To be fair...I'm not sure why Kane would care about this particular bride. She's not remotely interesting. I can't for the life of me figure out why he'd want Grace Kelly, cold and distant as Amy when Katy Furtado is available as the fiery and completely interesting Helen Ramirez. And it's hard to imagine why he'd risk his life for the people of the town of Hadleyville who are prepared to let him be gunned down by Miller and his gang. But that's the point. Kane is a hero. And the people of Hadleyville are sheep who will turn a blind eye to injustice. The cast is great, though not without issues. Cooper is arguably a bit long in the tooth to play Kane. Especially given he's five years older than Lon Chaney, Jr. who plays his aged mentor. As has been intimated above, I'm not a big fan of Grace Kelly...but she's given very very little to do. Katy Furtado, on the other hand is a spitfire. It's nice to see Lloyd Bridges as something besides a nice guy. Cameos of interest are Jack Elam as the drunk in the holding cell and Lee Van Cleef as one of Miller's gang. It is Van Cleef's first film role and he has no lines...but he still has presence. This is very much a film of its time. It means a lot more if you know about the blacklist and what was happening in Hollywood at the time. Fred Zinneman and Stanley Kramer worked on a tight budget. And it is both a very old-fashioned and at the same time a very progressive western. Dimitri Tiomkin's score is excellent. Is it the greatest western ever. No...I don't think so. But it's one of the greatest. And it is definitely one of the most important. Slam, ditto all around. Glad you brought up the Kelly-Jurado contrast. I wish Zinneman had ditched the standard angel/whore issue and that Kelly had left Kane when the going got tough. In essence she did anyway and that lack of understanding of Kane's character, coupled with the age difference, makes that the least satisfying aspect of the film. I wonder if the emphasis on Kelly wasn't forced on Zinneman by the studio and if he had originally had other ideas for the casting. Love the claustrophobic style, not just of the setting but also of having the action of the film take place in real time. The strength of the supporting cast is a characteristic of so many good Westerns, isn't it? I also have always relished tough guy Lloyd Bridges go from cocky deputy to sniveling coward. Excellent work. (Although, as with like Leslie Nielsen, I can't help but watch Bridges' performances from and think of him in his iconic role in Airplane and giggle just a bit.) Still in all, High Noon is one of those movies you just can't stop watching.
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