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Post by badwolf on Jan 22, 2015 18:43:29 GMT -5
Fraud is fraud. It would be better to educate people, but a lot of people don't want to be educated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 19:10:10 GMT -5
Nazi Germany was not exactly anti religion. "God with us" And yeah, if a granny is responsible for the death of someone under their care for holistic medicine then yeah, she needs to go to prison. What do you do when someone comes to you with a critical illness? Take them to the hospital. I don't see how that's comparable to horoscopes though.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 22, 2015 20:18:08 GMT -5
That seems more than a little harsh, I think you'd really need to prove she was willfully ignorant rather than the normal characterization of grandmotherly care.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 22:19:28 GMT -5
That seems more than a little harsh, I think you'd really need to prove she was willfully ignorant rather than the normal characterization of grandmotherly care. If she's caring for a cold, or was unaware the person she cared for was critically ill, that's one thing. If she claimed you don't need doctors to treat AIDS because maple syrup is the cure, she's criminally negligent. Stupidity should not be a defense.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 22, 2015 22:29:01 GMT -5
That seems more than a little harsh, I think you'd really need to prove she was willfully ignorant rather than the normal characterization of grandmotherly care. If she's caring for a cold, or was unaware the person she cared for was critically ill, that's one thing. If she claimed you don't need doctors to treat AIDS because maple syrup is the cure, she's criminally negligent. Stupidity should not be a defense. I think that's a given for grannies prescribing soup, I don't I've ever heard that euphemism applied to AIDS or other critical conditions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 23:11:36 GMT -5
If she's caring for a cold, or was unaware the person she cared for was critically ill, that's one thing. If she claimed you don't need doctors to treat AIDS because maple syrup is the cure, she's criminally negligent. Stupidity should not be a defense. I think that's a given for grannies prescribing soup, I don't I've ever heard that euphemism applied to AIDS or other critical conditions. Well then, not the same thing as faith healers. I didn't make that leap though, just responded to it.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jan 23, 2015 11:26:31 GMT -5
If they said their chicken soup can cure cancer, absolutely. 5 million grannies "It couldn't hurt" While the state gestapo are rounding up the faith healers, next will be the fortune tellers and astrologists. Horoscopes will be banned from newspapers and the internet as well Seriously, let the foolish people make use of faith healers and the rest of that ilk. A fool and their money etc, etc Societies that are anti-religion are no paradise either. Witness the USSR in the past and Nazi Germany. Its not so much religion as an institution. Its mankind thats flawed I think a difference that you're not taking into account in lumping fortune tellers, astrologists, etc, in with faith healers is that generally all the others are taking from people is money. If a fortune teller says you'll meet a tall dark stranger, worst that will happen if you don't is that you're out a little money and you stay home on Saturday night. If a faith healer tells you that he can cure your life-threatening disease by laying his hands on you, and you don't get actual treatment, you could die. Also, I don't think anyone was suggesting (I know I wasn't) that anti-religion governments were a good idea. Just that government and religion are two different things and neither should meddle in the other (as long as the laws are being followed).
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Post by gothos on Jan 25, 2015 17:55:54 GMT -5
I said nothing of being the warrior, you can't kill every barbarian there is but you also don't give into them either as that doesn't achieve anything. You've yet to illustrate how not drawing the profit or giving into any of their other demands would make anything better. About the only solution that will have any net gains towards lasting prosperity is to reach out to Muslim leaders and have an open dialog about why these extremist cells are so popular with the youth and how we can work together to create alternate opportunities that would seem like better options. It's a societal and economic problem,and guns don't solve that, only time, patience and hard work. Warrior is willing to fight or sacrifice his friends, family and children for the assertion not to give it to barbarianism. Put it this way - put a white sheet on and walk through compton. I have no idea - maybe it will all be cool, maybe someone might have more than a word with you. I believe it is your right (and excuse me if i am wrong) as an american to do it - might not be best idea tho - when is something a white sheet and when is it a whole lot more ? Dupont put it best earlier on - when is something incite to racial hatred (a crime here) and when is it free speech? While I will stipuiate in advance that not every "inciting" incident is clear-cut, the contrast between your chosen example-- a guy just deciding one day that he'll wear a Klan-lookalike robe into Compton-- is the act of someone looking for trouble, while the Charlie Hebdo situation is ineluctably free speech. Why? Because Charlie Hebdo is a legal business concern, whose function is to satirize and criticize any society or societal practice. The real Klan is also a legal organization, and on those occasions that they're able to get permits to hold urban rallies to boost their membership, they can do so and even get police protection, as has happened a few times within the last ten years. I don't remember where the last one to make the news took place, but as I recall various anti-Klan groups counter-demonstrated but nothing much happened. It's conceivable that someone *might* be able to get permission to don a Klan robe and do "performance art" in Compton. But if he didn't have such a permit, I would guess the local cops would take a dim view of his claim that he had a "right" to wear an inflammatory costume in that situation. What a lawyer would make it of it all (aside from lots of money) I know not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 22:21:09 GMT -5
The Klan is a group that had actually committed murder against black people. They're historically known for ritual murder. It's not the same as drawing a picture of Mohammad.
It would be somewhat comparable to waving the Israeli flag in a Palestinian immigrant neighborhood, maybe.
Also, Compton is a terrible place. Try walking through the residential area at night. No matter what you're dressed as, or what color you are. You're not going to have a good time.
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Post by gothos on Jan 26, 2015 16:32:51 GMT -5
The Klan is a group that had actually committed murder against black people. They're historically known for ritual murder. It's not the same as drawing a picture of Mohammad. It would be somewhat comparable to waving the Israeli flag in a Palestinian immigrant neighborhood, maybe. Also, Compton is a terrible place. Try walking through the residential area at night. No matter what you're dressed as, or what color you are. You're not going to have a good time. Well, I'm only bringing up the Klan because Ironchimp brought up the idea of wearing a sheet in Compton. There's no doubt that many Klansmen have committed murder, but not all have, and presumably those recent groups who have been allowed to convene public rallies convinced the authorities that their group was on the right side of the law, whatever one might think of their ethical compass.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 17:46:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I got what you were saying. I was more responding to him than you. We're in agreement
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Post by Jasoomian on Jan 26, 2015 17:54:41 GMT -5
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 26, 2015 18:29:06 GMT -5
Interview with a Charlie Hebdo writer who criticizes Obama & UK's wars on their respective journalists A war on journalists by Obama? A bit over-the-top in describing the article. Or is he re-stocking Gitmo with newshounds?
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Post by Jasoomian on Jan 26, 2015 18:57:52 GMT -5
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 26, 2015 19:44:03 GMT -5
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