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Post by Earth 2 Flash on Mar 17, 2015 2:02:50 GMT -5
I know many have stopped reading DC Comics recently due to the New 52. Many feel that the new costumes, origins, and directions just aren't to their liking. I have to admit that I like at least 50% of the New with some notable exceptions(Azzarello's Wonder Woman, Lobdell's Teen Titans, & Cyborg being on the JL). If you feel that strong about the New 52 that you quit reading DC Comics all together, Convergence is your chance to put your money where your mouth is and tell DC you are still willing to pay for comics that focus on the more classic interpretations of their characters. Converence mini-series will offer fans from all eras of DC Comics the opportunity to buy and read stories featuring their beloved characters from yester-year and you can be sure that if sales of these comics are high enough, DC will definitely make them an ongoing thing, especially if sales of some of these comics equal or surpass their New 52 counterparts. Convergence starts up in April. I have enjoyed some of the offerings of the New 52, particularly Earth 2 and Green Arrow. I enjoyed Nightwing a lot up until it was cancelled in favor of Grayson.
These are the titles I am most looking forward to in the Convergence line:
Detective Comics Justice Society Action Comics The New Teen Titans
I will probably pick up a couple of other titles too, such as Hawkman and Nightwing/Oracle.
I am hoping DC pays good attention to the $ales of some of these Convergence titles. I would like to see more of the pre-Crisis stuff worked more into the New 52.
As far as the post-Convergence line is concerned (are we going to call it Divergence, or what?), I have my eye on:
Earth 2: Society Black Canary Justice League Justice League of America Red Hood/Arsenal
I am cautiously considering Green Arrow and Green Lantern.
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 17, 2015 3:48:03 GMT -5
I applaud your enthusiasm, Dr. Poison, but I'll take a pass on pretty much everything DC until they get a top-down turnover in personnel. Everything I have seen from them has just been grim, gritty and tedious I largely agree... ...but some of these books look awesome. My wallet's going to hate me...
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Post by Dr. Poison on Mar 17, 2015 5:21:43 GMT -5
I think it would be a good idea for DC to offer some titles based in the continuities set before Flashpoint. I think it's safe to say that DC alienated some readers with the New 52 and the only way some of these folks will come back is if the more classic versions of the characters that they love are regularly featured in monthly comics. The New 52 continuity isn't going anywhere, just the branding is. Justice League, Superman/Wonder Woman, and Earth 2: Society are all proof of that. I think DC also has room for some pre-Flashpoint titles as well such as a classic Earth 2 JSA book, pre-Crisis Legion of Super Heroes, Justice League International, and Oracle.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Mar 17, 2015 9:13:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind at all if DC took advantage of the Convergence event to whole heartedly embrace the multiverse idea, like Multiversity. Give different things a try and see if people support it well enough for it to be an ongoing. If that means, for instance, a series starring the original Justice Society members, so be it. Considering that comics have become primarily for adults (maybe some teens), I don't think many people would be confused by having Justice Society characters published at the same time as the new 52 Earth 2 characters. If it means the Justice League of Outer Space, why not? The only reason that all the characters have to be in one big continuity is that the publishers think that's what people want (what will sell). I'm looking forward to some of the more off-beat choices coming out in June like the Harley Quinn/Power Girl mini and Bizarro, and hoping that maybe some more creativity may creep in if the talent isn't constrained to the one continuity/company line idea.
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Post by DubipR on Mar 17, 2015 9:40:40 GMT -5
Surprisingly there's a few titles I'm looking forward to reading, either picking up issues or checking out the trades:
- Justice League of America (trade)- Brian Hitch goodness - Bat Mite (trade)- Just sounds like a fun mini - Dr Fate (trade)- I'm curious on how Levitz will work this character; also I like Sonny Liew's art - Harley Quinn & Power Girl (issues)- Jimmy, Amanda and Roux...power trio - Midnighter (trade)- I'm a fan of the Wildstorm U, so I'm curious on this one - Prez (trade)- a maxi series that sounds cool. - Robin: Son of Batman (trade)- I like Gleason - Section 8 (trade)- as much as I want to get the issues, this mini sounds like such fun! - Starfire (issues)- Jimmy and Amanda, got to support my friend's work!
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Post by Earth 2 Flash on Mar 17, 2015 9:52:05 GMT -5
I think there is a LOT of room for a Wolfman/Perez era New Teen Titans. It would be great if this could be set on a different earth. Nightwing, Kid Flash (Wally), Wonder Girl (Donna), and Changeling/Beast Boy are four really great characters that I would love to see together again in their teen-age prime. It would be nice to have Roy as Speedy again too. ...and if Kole, Jericho, and Starfire WEREN'T a part of the deal, that would make it even sweeter!
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Post by DE Sinclair on Mar 17, 2015 9:58:10 GMT -5
I think there is a LOT of room for a Wolfman/Perez era New Teen Titans. It would be great if this could be set on a different earth. Nightwing, Kid Flash (Wally), Wonder Girl (Donna), and Changeling/Beast Boy are four really great characters that I would love to see together again in their teen-age prime. It would be nice to have Roy as Speedy again too. ...and if Kole, Jericho, and Starfire WEREN'T a part of the deal, that would make it even sweeter! That would be cool, but I'd rather have Cyborg, Starfire, and Raven back with the group as well. Untold tales from their glory days, much like the Justice League Casebook stories they used to do.
If Kole and Jericho weren't along for the ride, that would be ok with me too.
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Post by fanboystranger on Mar 17, 2015 10:31:41 GMT -5
I think it would be a good idea for DC to offer some titles based in the continuities set before Flashpoint. I think it's safe to say that DC alienated some readers with the New 52 and the only way some of these folks will come back is if the more classic versions of the characters that they love are regularly featured in monthly comics. The New 52 continuity isn't going anywhere, just the branding is. Justice League, Superman/Wonder Woman, and Earth 2: Society are all proof of that. I think DC also has room for some pre-Flashpoint titles as well such as a classic Earth 2 JSA book, pre-Crisis Legion of Super Heroes, Justice League International, and Oracle. I wouldn't be surprised if we get some if the sales of the Convergence specials are through the roof. Particularly, the second issues since first issues sell more because they're first issue. If one of the specials ends up selling over 100,000-- something I doubt's going to happen, but it could-- and retains most of its audience for the second issue, I'd expect DC to want to follow up on it. In that sense, judging by the way characters sell, I'd expect a "Batman: Retro" or "Superman: Retro" title, but not much else.
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Post by dale on Mar 17, 2015 13:09:47 GMT -5
I'm another one who has grown tired of the annual "events" and reboots and the totally unrecognizable interpretations of old friends. The storytelling these days, if it can be referred to as such, also puts me right off. Every DC and Marvel comic now looks like it's pretending to be a collection of movie stills. (Remember those old photo-novels?) I can't justify spending 3 or 4 pounds on something that takes 2 minutes to "read". I'm going to remain comfortably ensconced in my Silver Age and Bronze Age trade paperback collections, thank you ever so. (And treat myself to an affordable original on eBay from time to time, too).
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 17, 2015 13:58:59 GMT -5
Again, I don't deny that it's always been about making more money. My point remains that there was a tipping point in the late '80s, early '90s, in which publishers realized they could make even more money by pulling high profile stunts without consideration to the long-term impact on the characters and franchises. Maybe Crisis was a part of that, after all. I can see that. But I don't see distancing Batman from the campiness of the 1960s TV show (a move that had long term ramifications for the character and was adhered to as a sincere change in tone/direction) as being on par with killing Superman off and bringing him back six months later. Oh, okay. That makes sense. I'd put the tipping point a couple years earlier - Crisis and Secret Wars (Black Costume! She-Hulk joins the Fantastic Four!) Still, I'd argue that the early eighties is the first time that anyone was thinking about characters having a long term future at all. - Obviously most of the business choices Marvel made in the '70s were based on the quite reasonable assumption that the superhero genre was a fad with a limited shelf life. And in practical terms making bad choices about the future of the characters doesn't feel so different from not caring at all about the future of the characters. I do agree that the fan press at about the same time took a turn away from amateur and towards the professional which made hype possible - along with comics companies figuring out that there were enough consumers invested in their characters long term to make hype rewarding. But, remember, comics publishing was originally financed in a large part by whiskey bootleggers. There's a slightly different brand of short sighted money-grubbing driving the comics industry today, but the underlying motive has always been the same.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 19:50:38 GMT -5
My only question is when all the NEW TITLES FOR DC COMICS will be arriving to all Comic Book Stores Nationwide so that I can go to my Comic Book Store of which it's 2 hours of driving time in very heavy traffic so that I can see all the NEW TITLES and make my own judgment of which one that I will be getting and so forth.
I would like someone to quote me so I can determine when the best time to go to my COMIC BOOK STORE and take care of business so that store can mail me my books for a discount price.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 20:34:00 GMT -5
I was born in '76 and have sampled tons of pre-crisis, post-crisis and some trades from the nu-52. The idea that the nu-52 is somehow worse is kind of comical. Comics are always generally 75% terrible, 20% readable and 5% amazing no matter what era you go into.
The idea of post crisis fans being irate about the nu-52 is hilarious considering how much was wiped out during the original crisis. Jim Lee is nothing but the nu John Byrne as far as that goes. A hot creator who through their popularity is able to shape the line into what he thinks looks cool at the time. All the same.
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Post by Action Ace on Mar 17, 2015 20:49:31 GMT -5
Convergence sounds like visit some old friends, see them fight some other old friends to the death, then the survivors take on the villain and save the day. Hopefully, at the end, everyone goes back to their respective realities and live happily ever after. I'm not holding my breath on the last part.
Let's see how my June pull list looks at this hour...
#1s Justice League of America Bat-Mite Bizarro Dr. Fate Earth 2: Society Green Lantern: Lost Army Justice League 3001 Martian Manhunter Robin: Son of Batman We Are Robin
#41s (or still ongoing) Aquaman Justice League Flash Teen Titans Wonder Woman Action Superman Superman/ Batman Superman/ Wonder Woman Batman Batgirl Detective Grayson Green Lantern Sinestro
Outside the main DCU Flash: Season Zero Sensation Comics Batman '66 Astro City
with Cyborg and Justice League United for July
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Post by berkley on Mar 17, 2015 21:43:39 GMT -5
Nothing I've heard or seen recently from DC has attracted my attention. When it comes to DC I'm mainly interested in the New Gods, so those are the characters I usually look at to judge how things are going. I don't like what I've seen online from appearances in series such as Wonder Woman and the various Earth 2 books, or whatever that big event they have going is called with the Lanterns vs the New Gods vs Apokolips, or something like that. Very poor work, IMO, from a New Gods perspective.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 17, 2015 22:11:24 GMT -5
Nothing I've heard or seen recently from DC has attracted my attention. When it comes to DC I'm mainly interested in the New Gods, so those are the characters I usually look at to judge how things are going. I don't like what I've seen online from appearances in series such as Wonder Woman and the various Earth 2 books, or whatever that big event they have going is called with the Lanterns vs the New Gods vs Apokolips, or something like that. Very poor work, IMO, from a New Gods perspective. But the dude who wrote "American Born Chinese" is writing Superman. C'mon, that's kind of interesting.
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