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Post by Pharozonk on Mar 17, 2015 22:17:28 GMT -5
I was born in '76 and have sampled tons of pre-crisis, post-crisis and some trades from the nu-52. The idea that the nu-52 is somehow worse is kind of comical. Comics are always generally 75% terrible, 20% readable and 5% amazing no matter what era you go into. The idea of post crisis fans being irate about the nu-52 is hilarious considering how much was wiped out during the original crisis. Jim Lee is nothing but the nu John Byrne as far as that goes. A hot creator who through their popularity is able to shape the line into what he thinks looks cool at the time. All the same. To be fair, at least the characters looked the same following COIE. I can barely recognize 90% of the Nu52 versions of DC's characters. |
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Post by Dr. Poison on Mar 18, 2015 5:33:11 GMT -5
Keep in mind that the reason many of our favorite classic versions of heroes were replaced due to lagging sales of their books. In fact it was said by DC around the time of the New 52 that if they hadn't gone ahead with the New 52, many books would have simply been cancelled with only their top sellers still being published such as the Batman, Green Lantern, Superman, and Justice League lines. That's why I stressed that if folks want their classic characters back, we need to show that to DC in financial support. Without financial support, these characters will be banished to limbo with only occasional cameo features(at best) in the future. I'm certainly not telling anyone what to do, just offering my $0.02 here as I love a lot of classic DC characters too.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 18, 2015 8:15:37 GMT -5
Convergence sounds like visit some old friends, see them fight some other old friends to the death, then the survivors take on the villain and save the day. Sounds just like Christmas. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Mar 18, 2015 11:24:21 GMT -5
Convergence sounds like visit some old friends, see them fight some other old friends to the death, then the survivors take on the villain and save the day. Sounds just like Christmas. Christmas is at Confessor's house this year! I'll bring the eggnog. |
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 23, 2015 20:41:51 GMT -5
Marvel started losing me years ago with the bloatation of the X franchise in the 90's. I still have liked DC, though I didn't like that Batman, GL and the LoSH didn't get rebooted (with minimal differences) with the rest. As Dr Poison has seen from my posts, I think we're getting the best of both worlds post-Convergence; the great fabric of the DCU is going to exposure itself as an entire universe unlike what we've seen before. The full spectrum of DC's universe will be exposed as different sections of it, all existing within the same universe pretty much like the pre-COIE except with a much larger depth of worlds that covers everything and more of what DC has announced up to this point. DC tried this nu52 and it's leveled off in sales, so what I would do, and what DC is doing, is a mega-event that reinstates the pre-FP, the Nu, and way back with everything else too. Maybe I'm projecting, but I'll be very surprised if they don't do this. What I'm looking forward to :         |
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 23, 2015 20:47:46 GMT -5
sorry for the large images
don't know how to resize them
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Post by benday-dot on Mar 24, 2015 20:21:15 GMT -5
I buy no monthlies from DC, and don't see that changing with whatever they have planned. I have more or less pulled away from Big Two comics, and am pretty much sated as far as back issues go. Like Ish early on in this thread I am close to being done with buying comics (well, he is already done).
But I am not there yet. From DC, Morrison's Multiversity does interest me whenever that comes out in trade. Over at Marvel I still follow Waid's Daredevil, Allred and Slott's Silver Surfer and Aaron's Thor. A nice trio of fun and well-written comics.
But it is only thanks to Image comics that I truly find new and exciting things in comics. If it wasn't for Image I'd probably have already quit comics for the second time in my life. It's not all good, but a hell of a lot of it is very creative and compelling indeed. Some of the other 2nd tier companies like IDW and Dark Horse also have some interesting stuff.
It's always been more about creative talent than characters with me.
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Post by berkley on Mar 24, 2015 21:56:26 GMT -5
Nothing I've heard or seen recently from DC has attracted my attention. When it comes to DC I'm mainly interested in the New Gods, so those are the characters I usually look at to judge how things are going. I don't like what I've seen online from appearances in series such as Wonder Woman and the various Earth 2 books, or whatever that big event they have going is called with the Lanterns vs the New Gods vs Apokolips, or something like that. Very poor work, IMO, from a New Gods perspective. But the dude who wrote "American Born Chinese" is writing Superman. C'mon, that's kind of interesting. Maybe - if it were some character other than Superman. I haven't read ABC - recommended, I take it? |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 24, 2015 22:16:35 GMT -5
But the dude who wrote "American Born Chinese" is writing Superman. C'mon, that's kind of interesting. Maybe - if it were some character other than Superman. I haven't read ABC - recommended, I take it? Uhhhhhhh... I liked it okay. Moderately recommended. I haven't got around to reading Boxer/Saints or Shadow Hero, I heard they were both better.
Still, an interesting choice for Superman!
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Post by fanboystranger on Mar 24, 2015 23:21:25 GMT -5
Maybe - if it were some character other than Superman. I haven't read ABC - recommended, I take it? Uhhhhhhh... I liked it okay. Moderately recommended. I haven't got around to reading Boxer/Saints or Shadow Hero, I heard they were both better.
Still, an interesting choice for Superman!
I love ABC, but that's the sorta navel-gazing bio comic that I love. Boxers and Saints is both excellent and majorly ambitious in content, format, and storytelling, but I think the very good Shadow Hero is probably your best look at the approach Yang will take with Superman... if they let him. (But I'm willing to take DC at their word this time. The editors they've promoted and hired certainly suggest a change in approach.) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 0:27:12 GMT -5
Not read ABC but have read Saints and Shadow Hero (impressions of Shadow Hero are in the RaGN week thread) and liked them both (Shadow Hero also features art by Sonny Liew who is doing Dr. Fate with Levitz post-Convergence). Boxers in is my to read list from the library. I am tempted by the prospect of him writing Superman (with Romita Jr. on art ) but the $3.99 cover price and the fact the first issue then crosses over with the other Superman titles rather than being its own thing, has decided me against getting it. Maybe when the trade collection comes out, but not as a monthly. The Levitz/Liew Dr. Fate on the other hand is still a possibility...
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Post by Dizzy D on Mar 25, 2015 9:26:48 GMT -5
Haven't read either ABC, Saints or Shadow Hero, but I've read The Eternal Smile, which I liked a lot (not all stories equally, but I didn't dislike any of them).
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 25, 2015 9:58:51 GMT -5
It would take a helluva lot more than an "event" cynically contrived as a sop to old school fans to get me to buy a contemporary DC comic book. As long as Didio the Dire is calling the shots, the only money DC will get from me will be for Showcase collections. Even if he and his cronies vanished tomorrow, it would require a full restoration of the pre-Crisis DCU to suck me back in, and since we all know that's never going to happen...
Cei-U!
Thanks but no thanks!
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Post by Nowhere Man on Mar 25, 2015 10:48:45 GMT -5
DC (and Marvel) would get me back tomorrow in a big way if they'd simply stop with the events. This won't happen because both companies are convinced that they'd have to close shop on publishing tomorrow if they did so. Sorry, but I'm not buyin it. Somehow Image is doing just fine producing comics without events, at a lower price, and offering DRM-Free downloads to boot! What gets in the way is the nebulous "profit margin" that Marvel and DC use as an excuse when someone brings up Image. I simply don't buy that Marvel or DC would have to cancel their lines if they allowed all of the titles to function event-free (more or less) like Batman or Daredevil. I MIGHT consider giving DC a chance if they'd come off the absurd DRM stance (I only collect collected editions, the occasional old newsprint comic and digital comics currently) but as is, I'm not about to pay 3.99 a pop for mediocre event driven comics that I wouldn't even own.
Shaxper is absolutely right that the advent of the event was a monolithic change in the way comics were marketed and how the marketing departments, in turn, pushed editorial. We all know that DC and Marvel have always been about making profits, but up until Secret Wars in 1984, the comics people were more or less left to their own devices to build a more or less coherent shared universe. Now that wasn't the ultimate goal of the publishers, but that's how it all came to pass creatively. Those above editorial didn't care how they did it, as long as they did it. For all the toy tie-ins and various gimmicks of the past, the event comic was something completely different. Now you have editors (or even marketing) coming up with sweeping storylines and telling writers and artists specifically what to do. Before the event, the companies wanted to make money, obviously, but the modus operandi of the editors and creators was to maintain the core of the characters while at the same time maintaining the cohesion of the interconnected universe. The only "event" that would take place was when a new villain was created or a supporting member died. This is what the fans wanted and it worked for a long time. It was a long-term approach to turning a profit by producing superhero comics.
The ironic thing about all of these soft-reboots/reboots and continuity altering events, is that every single one has been a long-term failure. Look no further than to Infinite Crisis, New 52, Heroic Age, Marvel Now, etc. The increase in frequency is absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 10:53:44 GMT -5
I actually had every intention of supporting and buying most everything.
then I saw the prices.
(and yes, I emailed DC and told them they should be ashamed of themselves).
I won't support the individual issues, and only perhaps will buy some trades of it later, if I find them used or cheap at Half Price Books.
but nope, won't support $3.99 an issue 22 page books, or $4.99 and issue 30 page books.
And they had an excellent chance of getting this lapsed reader back *(I dropped everything with the NU52-- excellent jumping OFF point, and have only been buying the weeklies (Futures End & EarthII)).
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