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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 19:08:55 GMT -5
The 49ers have a sweet looking new stadium. You should all drop what you're doing and see it. As a huge 49ers fan, I can't wait to check it out. I'll be going to a few games this season. Can't wait! TechCrunch did a neat little video on the stadium that shows most of it's bells and whistles:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 20:42:40 GMT -5
I've got no idea what RsBI is. The pedantic way of saying "RBIs," maybe? I've never worried too much about it, but it's a sabermetric article of faith that RBIs are at least as overrated a measurement of offensive value as wins are of pitching value.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jul 20, 2014 21:13:57 GMT -5
The 49ers have a sweet looking new stadium. You should all drop what you're doing and see it. As a huge 49ers fan, I can't wait to check it out. I'll be going to a few games this season. Can't wait! TechCrunch did a neat little video on the stadium that shows most of it's bells and whistles: Yeah I would like to try and get myself to a game too.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 21, 2014 5:57:46 GMT -5
I've got no idea what RsBI is. The pedantic way of saying "RBIs," maybe? I've never worried too much about it, but it's a sabermetric article of faith that RBIs are at least as overrated a measurement of offensive value as wins are of pitching value. Dan hit it on the head. I've always hated the use of "RBIs", which is Runs Batted In...s? I get why they do it, but it's pretty lousy. The problems with RBI are twofold: 1. They are, outside of driving oneself in with a homerun, an entirely team-dependent statistic. It always irked me when announcers would talk about Bobby Abreu as being an "RBI" guy and that if a team wanted to score more runs, they should look to acquire someone like him. Bobby Abreu drove in lots of runs because he played in stacked lineups in Philadelphia and New York and because he was, at the time, a very good hitter, but had he been the same hitter in the Pirates or Royals lineups, he wouldn't have driven in as many runs because he wouldn't have had the same opportunities. 2. RBI is not a predictive stat, but rather a reflective one (and a pretty poor one at that). It tells you what happened in the most general terms (a player or players were on base when the batter hit the ball, causing one or more of those players to score), but it doesn't even tell you what bases were occupied or what type of batted ball drove the players across the plate. As well, just because a player amassed RBI in the past does not mean they will continue to do so in the future, as there is no way of knowing what type of situations they will encounter in 2017; at least with BA (another first-level stat) or OBP (a much better measure of offensive prowess), knowing how a player performed in the past can give some idea as to how they will perform in the future (you could pretty much know going into a season that Tony Gwynn was going to hit at least .310, have an OBP above .350, and strike out 40 times or fewer, which he did 19 straight seasons).
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 21, 2014 8:02:56 GMT -5
All baseball stats are reflective of past performance and are not predictive.
You can nitpick most stats too.Homeruns can be elevated by the player's home stadium being conducive to where he drives the ball. Or a weak lineup affords pitchers to pitch around him. Stolen bases can be affected by the type of team a player belongs too.Some teams just don't go for the running game. Starting pitching stats are influenced by a teams' bullpen and how quickly a manager might call in for a reliever I've got no problem with the stats that have served baseball for over 100 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 8:21:36 GMT -5
Dan hit it on the head. I've always hated the use of "RBIs", which is Runs Batted In...s? I get why they do it, but it's pretty lousy. Yeah -- "RsBI" is technically correct, I guess. Calling it "pedantic" was a bit more critical than I intended. At the same time, if you're talking about the attorneys general (the correct usage, as opposed to attorney generals) of multiple states, would you say "AsG" or "AGs" for short? The former would seem pretty damned awkward.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 8:26:10 GMT -5
All baseball stats are reflective of past performance and are not predictive. You'd certainly think so, but damn if Bill James -- whom I certainly don't worship; he's been wrong before (will I ever get over his touting Arthur Rhodes as one of the best pitchers of his generation & Marc Newfield as a surefire MVP, not to mention his quaint belief that Pete Rose isn't a scum-sucking piece of crap? no, I will not) & has turned into an absolute creep over the last several years, at least as far as his online persona is concerned -- hasn't done some remarkably predictive work over the past few decades by taking all sorts of stats, career comparisons, etc. into account.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 21, 2014 9:04:08 GMT -5
All baseball stats are reflective of past performance and are not predictive. You can nitpick most stats too.Homeruns can be elevated by the player's home stadium being conducive to where he drives the ball. Or a weak lineup affords pitchers to pitch around him. Stolen bases can be affected by the type of team a player belongs too.Some teams just don't go for the running game. Starting pitching stats are influenced by a teams' bullpen and how quickly a manager might call in for a reliever I've got no problem with the stats that have served baseball for over 100 years. I probably should have written that RBI is solely a reflective statistic, and while you are technically right about statistics in and of themselves not being predictive, some can be useful when trying to estimate future behavior, while something like RBI or pitcher wins or saves are not. Those stats tell you how a player performed to a given set of rules (SP must pitch a minimum of 5 innings and leave the game with a lead that his team does not relinquish to earn the W, or the myriad circumstances that could earn a pitcher a save), but cannot give you the first inkling how they will perform in the future, because game states that affect those things change from game to game. While you are also correct about counting statistics being influenced or dependent on other circumstances (home park, team philosophy, etc.), the newer statistics, such as OPS+, ERA+, and WAR account for things such as park factors and environment of the game in order to be able to compare players across decades and even within a single season by eliminating such things as the boost a RH batter gets playing his home games in Houston (ridiculously short porch) instead of Pittsburgh (expansive left field) or the challenges that pitchers in Cincinnati or Philadelphia (bandbox parks) experience compared to those who pitch in Los Angeles or San Diego (bigger parks with deeper OF fences).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 19:59:21 GMT -5
David "Big Papi" Ortiz blasted his 21st home run of the season tonigt to tie Carl Yazstremski for 36th on the all time HR list. Later in the game, Papi blasted another one (The Sox have put up 14 runs in 4 innings against the Jays tonight) to pass Yaz on the all-time list. Tip of the hat to Yaz, one of my all time favorite players.... -M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 13:36:20 GMT -5
And today the Yankees announced that they were chasing head...um I mean acquiring Chase Headley from the San Diego Padres for a pair of minor leaguers. Hmmm another aging, once-good but having a couple bad seasons in a row veteran for the playoff chase that we can resign for too much money in the off-season---sounds about right for Cashman lately.
-M
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 22, 2014 15:08:24 GMT -5
And today the Yankees announced that they were chasing head...um I mean acquiring Chase Headley from the San Diego Padres for a pair of minor leaguers. Hmmm another aging, once-good but having a couple bad seasons in a row veteran for the playoff chase that we can resign for too much money in the off-season---sounds about right for Cashman lately. -M It's no game-changer but not as bad as you make it.He's only 30 years old on the last year of the contract.San Diego sends 1 Mil to the yanks so the Yanks only pay 2 Mil for the rest of this season.He's been batting over .300 this month after back treatments.I'd don't expect much but that was all we were already getting at 3rd base so it won't be any worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 15:37:12 GMT -5
For those who don't like obscure baseball stats don't look....
Headley's OPS dropped 150 points form his MVP caliber season in 2012 to 2013 ans has dropped another 100 points this season.
His percentage of had hit balls dropped by 50% from 2012 to 2013 and again this season.
These are generally signs a hitter is losing bat speed, which is the big red warning sign that a hitter will decline fast unless he is someone like Jeter who looks to hit the ball to the opposite field and collect singles and gap extra base hits. That's not Headley's style, nor is he the type who has shown the ability to make adjustments to his approach well.
On top of that he has missed significant time to injuries both last season and this season and they are injuries that affect bat speed and power in the swing, and he hasn't shown any signs that he is fully recovered. The worst part for the Yanks will be that if he does turn it around down the stretch, they will likely ink him to a 3+ year contract worth too much money and be stuck under it for a while as they struggle to get under the luxury tax threshold because so much salary will be tied up in big name players who aren't putting on the uniform any longer because of injury, suspension or what have you, so it is a dammed if he does and damned if he doesn't deal for the Yanks.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 15:42:59 GMT -5
Who knows? Getting out of the black hole of (non)hitting known as San Diego might somehow enable Headley to at least approach adequacy.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 22, 2014 16:03:32 GMT -5
The worst part for the Yanks will be that if he does turn it around down the stretch, they will likely ink him to a 3+ year contract worth too much money and be stuck under it for a while as they struggle to get under the luxury tax threshold because so much salary will be tied up in big name players who aren't putting on the uniform any longer because of injury, suspension or what have you, so it is a dammed if he does and damned if he doesn't deal for the Yanks. -M Getting way ahead of yourself here. I have no idea of 3B farm options for next year, if A-Rod will retire or not,what the 3B free agent pool will look like or 3B off season trade possibilities.I'll be fine if he's productive at the postion for this year because its been a black hole in the Yankee offense for the past 2 years
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Post by Action Ace on Jul 22, 2014 22:36:36 GMT -5
I always thought the Yankees long term plan for 3B was to just buy Evan Longoria from the Rays.
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